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Resisty
Profile Joined December 2011
United States375 Posts
June 05 2014 04:07 GMT
#17621
Assume we are in a lane where we can't pull to influence the equilibrium and we mess up e.g. 2 ranged creeps w/e. Should I just push the lane as hard as possible so it dies or deny hard to slowly get it back?
Humans are greedy, therefore they are human.
DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
June 05 2014 04:58 GMT
#17622
If you medallion after your attack leaves your hero, does the minus armor apply?
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 07:40:04
June 05 2014 07:36 GMT
#17623
On June 05 2014 13:07 Resisty wrote:
Assume we are in a lane where we can't pull to influence the equilibrium and we mess up e.g. 2 ranged creeps w/e. Should I just push the lane as hard as possible so it dies or deny hard to slowly get it back?

It will probably almost never make a difference. The difference is negligible except maybe in situations when you're looking to push the enemy tower, but even then its very small. But you are right in that when the equilibrium is messed up you dont need to bother trying to keep it static. And if you can find value in pushing it further, feel free to do so.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 05 2014 10:57 GMT
#17624
On June 05 2014 13:07 Resisty wrote:
Assume we are in a lane where we can't pull to influence the equilibrium and we mess up e.g. 2 ranged creeps w/e. Should I just push the lane as hard as possible so it dies or deny hard to slowly get it back?

You can TRY aggro tricks to get the enemy creeps to attack your ranged creeps, and combine that with denying hard.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 14:34:04
June 05 2014 14:32 GMT
#17625
It depends a lot on the heroes in question whether creep advantage can be used favorably.

On June 05 2014 16:36 Kreb wrote:
It will probably almost never make a difference. The difference is negligible except maybe in situations when you're looking to push the enemy tower, but even then its very small. But you are right in that when the equilibrium is messed up you dont need to bother trying to keep it static. And if you can find value in pushing it further, feel free to do so.

Even if you're trying to push their tower, you want to slow-push it to have a built up wave with the siege wave. The siege wave is what really does damage to the tower, so you don't want to hard-push non-siege waves for minimal damage then not have enough creeps when the siege creep spawns if that's your goal.
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GGitsJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand426 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 16:39:03
June 05 2014 16:35 GMT
#17626
Who does those annotations in pro games? The every once in a while statistics trivia, like I was watching the summit just now and it comes up on the side with

"This is only the 3rd time on record that Razor has bought an ethereal blade."

Who writes this stuff to have ready access to every single statistic in pro dota at their fingertips?
"A reason becomes an excuse if you don't do anything about it."
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 05 2014 16:40 GMT
#17627
I think for BTS it's kpoptosis. For the Joindota streams it's usually Nahaz.
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Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
June 05 2014 18:20 GMT
#17628
They basically are doing searches on http://www.datdota.com/ and when they find something interesting they share it.
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/8137911
Gendo
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom216 Posts
June 05 2014 18:46 GMT
#17629
On June 05 2014 05:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
Bloodstone is terrible.

Item choice depends on what you are attempting to scale. If you want to abuse ur passive and hit them with autos, then you want something like orchid + crit for right click deeps. If you want to abuse ur low-cd nukes then you want something like sheep/aghs/veil.

Note how both builds do feature a mana solution item (Orchid or Hex). Euls is a reasonable hex substitute with survivability upside as well. If you find yourself dying (despite having huuuuge range) you can opt for blink, ghost sceptre or BKB depending on what is killing you and whether you need to be able to attack or not.

None of these builds are particularly great simply because lina's right clicks never reach a truly scary stage and her spells, while high in terms of damage, can't really compare to say a leshrac who can be played much more effectively in a "spell damage carry" role. However its fun.


Thanks for the suggestions, i play her a lot and get "tunnel vision" must carry! in fact i get Eul's usually after other core items just for the lolz and 1v3-4 easier but whenever i don't get that early lane lead i struggle a bit, surely going to experiment with other active items!

And yes i love the passive and max it second, with that i can get kills before everyone is super tanky.

Never seen a high level Lina play, is Blink used offensively (kinda QoP) or for retreat?
HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-05 19:23:30
June 05 2014 19:21 GMT
#17630
blink is used offensively most of the time. you blink lsa and ult+dragon slave. transition into sheep later so you can blink sheep before target bkbs and use lsa after ult/dragon slave.

rtz is like the Bieber of dota, true Canadian treasure.
Verrou
Profile Joined July 2013
France193 Posts
June 05 2014 22:08 GMT
#17631
On June 05 2014 13:58 DeltruS wrote:
If you medallion after your attack leaves your hero, does the minus armor apply?


If the missile hits after the medallion debuff (which is instant after the click) then yes.
Though this is only for ranged heroes I guess.
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
June 06 2014 12:29 GMT
#17632
Is there a site which shows K/D ratio of heros?
I can only see KDA, which i get why exists, but im not interested in atm
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 12:31:57
June 06 2014 12:31 GMT
#17633
http://dotabuff.com/heroes/impact
K/D ratio is quite simply
-insert kills-/-insert deaths- of whatever hero you want to know the number for.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
June 06 2014 12:33 GMT
#17634
On June 06 2014 21:31 Unleashing wrote:
http://dotabuff.com/heroes/impact
K/D ratio is quite simply
-insert kills-/-insert deaths- of whatever hero you want to know the number for.

i m aware, but i would like to see a ranking, and im too lazy to do it manually
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Marcelito
Profile Joined June 2014
Argentina14 Posts
June 06 2014 15:09 GMT
#17635
8 millons OMG
MID OR FEED
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
June 06 2014 15:21 GMT
#17636
On June 07 2014 00:09 Marcelito wrote:
8 millons OMG

?
is that a simple question, a simple answer, or even a comment on anything happening in this thread?
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Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
June 06 2014 17:33 GMT
#17637
I'm confused about Nature's Prophet's Ultimate. I end up just throwing it out in a lane on Cooldown and hoping it kills a creep or two, and I know I'm not getting the most out of it. I even see better player's picking up aghanim's on NP fairly early, so I know it has to be at least situationally OK.

When I'm playing NP I generally start out (both in lane and jungle) with a fast midas then build Boots of Speed(base boots only)>Lothars>Desolator and try to go around split pushing and being annoying. When should I be using my ult, and where should I be aiming it (or doesn't it matter)?
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-06 19:15:35
June 06 2014 19:15 GMT
#17638
On June 07 2014 02:33 Arisen wrote:
I'm confused about Nature's Prophet's Ultimate. I end up just throwing it out in a lane on Cooldown and hoping it kills a creep or two, and I know I'm not getting the most out of it. I even see better player's picking up aghanim's on NP fairly early, so I know it has to be at least situationally OK.

When I'm playing NP I generally start out (both in lane and jungle) with a fast midas then build Boots of Speed(base boots only)>Lothars>Desolator and try to go around split pushing and being annoying. When should I be using my ult, and where should I be aiming it (or doesn't it matter)?


what would you say your MMR is?

here are some general tips, regardless of MMR.

situationally, the agh's upgrade from NP is ok.. but there are much better items you can get for the hero that are almost always going to be a better choice.

that said here are two times you can use your ultimate:

1) you see a low HP hero walking away from a team fight (don't KS your #1 farmer!)
2) there's a big fat creep wave that no one is farming. again, try not to steal farm.

Another situation you can find yourself able to use your ultimate is as soon as you hit level 6. If your supports are good or you're jungling and have been using a tree to stack and pull your hard camp, you can easily clear a 3 stack using the ulti, securing yourself quite a bit of flash farm.

don't forget to be flexible with your build. don't forget that lothar is easily countered with cheap items and being more situationally aware while saving for a more useful item *can* be more valuable to you and your team.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
June 06 2014 19:15 GMT
#17639
Furions ult does more damage the longer it bounces. So if you ult botlane it will do more damage to the heroes/creeps on toplane.

Try to use it to damage heroes rather than just farming creeps. If a gank is coming top, ult bot and tp to top lane. It needs vision to do the damage so make sure you follow the hero you intend to damage.

boots -> midas -> phase -> necro is the usual build for furion. But he's flexible. YOu want to get a hex at some point though
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
June 06 2014 19:21 GMT
#17640
On June 07 2014 04:15 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Furions ult does more damage the longer it bounces. So if you ult botlane it will do more damage to the heroes/creeps on toplane.

Try to use it to damage heroes rather than just farming creeps. If a gank is coming top, ult bot and tp to top lane. It needs vision to do the damage so make sure you follow the hero you intend to damage.

boots -> midas -> phase -> necro is the usual build for furion. But he's flexible. YOu want to get a hex at some point though


you need to be careful with using it bottom and hoping it goes top. it really depends on the creep wave, but if there is only one wave bot (and you cast bot) and it hits no heroes, it will successfully make it to top with an extra hit to spare. this is not including the time it takes to get there. sometimes its a bit safer to cast it on a secondary target in the same lane if you're looking to stop a push or counter gank to ensure damage gets done and it is not wasted.
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