Tinker and mirana are pretty good for killing level 1 from huge range. Clock too but its pretty dodgeable. EarthShaker is passable but hard to hit with.

Invoker is godly from level 2. QoP deserves a mention for level 2 power as well (bind scream of pain to mousewheel up/down).

Naix (and to a lesser extent juggernaut) are completely immune to the bullshit but don't actually do anything themselves.

Zeus is obviously god if u can get level 6.

Ember might be unjustly good. Veno pushes really well but does nothing outside of that.

I'm just thinking out loud. i'm not sure this qualifies as a simple question

Buckyman

1364 Posts

June 02 2014 21:45 GMT

#17564

The dominant -wtf strategy, as far as I know, is Zeus, Lich, Enchantress trilane mid. Lich feeds the friendly creep wave to Zeus, Zeus pulls the enemy creep wave off the tower with Chain Lightning and Enchantress feeds Lich (and by extension Zeus) a steady diet of jungle creeps while not taking any XP herself.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

June 02 2014 21:46 GMT

#17565

What lich can't deny ench creeps can he? I could swear I've tried without success.

Laurens

Belgium4558 Posts

June 02 2014 21:49 GMT

#17566

Hi,

If you remove a gem from an item, does the count stay?

One of my friends wants to move an 'arrows hit' gem from one mirana mount to another.

Cheers

Qbek

Poland12923 Posts

June 02 2014 22:15 GMT

#17567

On June 03 2014 06:49 Laurens wrote:
Hi,

If you remove a gem from an item, does the count stay?

One of my friends wants to move an 'arrows hit' gem from one mirana mount to another.

Cheers

It stays and has a reset option

Targe

United Kingdom14103 Posts

June 02 2014 22:18 GMT

#17568

wat to do vs a tinker who spams rockets in lane?

i just kinda sat back and lost the lane at the cost of not feeding

Unleashing

Denmark14978 Posts

June 02 2014 22:23 GMT

#17569

Who were you playing and in what lane.

Targe

United Kingdom14103 Posts

June 02 2014 22:28 GMT

#17570

i was windrunner hardlane with an axe as a lanemate vs a tinker trol warlord lane

cecek

Czech Republic18921 Posts

June 02 2014 22:43 GMT

#17571

You should be able to comfortably outharass them. Powershot is a better harass spell than rockets, you have longer attack range and axe is better than troll in the lane. He can hunger, etc.

lolfail9001

Russian Federation40190 Posts

June 02 2014 22:43 GMT

#17572

On June 03 2014 06:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
Tinker and mirana are pretty good for killing level 1 from huge range. Clock too but its pretty dodgeable. EarthShaker is passable but hard to hit with.

Invoker is godly from level 2. QoP deserves a mention for level 2 power as well (bind scream of pain to mousewheel up/down).

Naix (and to a lesser extent juggernaut) are completely immune to the bullshit but don't actually do anything themselves.

Zeus is obviously god if u can get level 6.

Ember might be unjustly good. Veno pushes really well but does nothing outside of that.

I'm just thinking out loud. i'm not sure this qualifies as a simple question

What about spectre? Reliable 2k range nuke that also damages everything inbetween sounds like a certain way to get lvl6 fast and after that it gets about as easy as 1 key to farm fountain while sitting in own one.

Targe

United Kingdom14103 Posts

June 02 2014 22:48 GMT

#17573

On June 03 2014 07:43 cecek wrote:
You should be able to comfortably outharass them. Powershot is a better harass spell than rockets, you have longer attack range and axe is better than troll in the lane. He can hunger, etc.

ok i just failed then

HighTimeDotA

Canada1412 Posts

June 02 2014 23:52 GMT

#17574

tinker troll is stronger than wr axe.... axe is basically worthless in that laning situation i dont know what makes cecek think axe>troll in lane. it makes sense you lost.

Kreb

4834 Posts

June 03 2014 00:26 GMT

#17575

Axe shits on lots of melee, but hes really nothing special vs ranged, definitely not vs two ranged. I would probably say tinker/troll is slightly better but I can see axe/wr them getting kills with shackle -> call and some good spins. I think it would come down to execution a fair bit.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

June 03 2014 00:43 GMT

#17576

The lane only has one reliable source of spell-based damage (Powershot). They shouldn't be able to force kills through the Laser+Wild Axes double Blind even taking their disables into account, because getting kills at all is going to be so reliant on autoattack damage.

EDIT: Though technically, I suppose because you have far better AoE than them at low levels, you can get a kill with creep advantage at like level 2-3 if you can clear the creep wave and then disable them such that your kill target is tanking a full wave--but this is going to be hard to pull off because Shackle needs creeps to be there to use effectively if they don't retardedly stand next to trees for you to Shackle.

Targe

United Kingdom14103 Posts

June 03 2014 00:45 GMT

#17577

i really wasnt expecting any kills with that lane, more just trying to stayalive

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

June 03 2014 00:47 GMT

#17578

Technically because Axe can jungle, you have to be looking for an outcome that's better than him just leaving the lane and jungling while you get XP 1v2.

You shouldn't really ever die 1v2 to that, and Tinker's only going to be able to get to spam Rockets if he gets enough farm for a mana-restoring item (Bottle or SR)--making him the core farmer in that lane starves Troll, who is a pretty dead-weight hero if he's not going to be given farm. So the rocket-harass situation shouldn't become unsustainable for you unless you already lost the lane before then. If they turned Troll into a support for whatever reason, you take the lane loss knowing that no matter how useless losing that lane makes you, a support Troll will be more useless.

Targe

United Kingdom14103 Posts

June 03 2014 00:50 GMT

#17579

i actually wanted to be offlane solo but pubs are pubs and shit happens, the tinker ended up going necrobook aghs though so we did eventually win

http://dotabuff.com/matches/696803540

edit: yeah yango i just decided to suck it up and take the lane loss, the axe didnt help things though by dying a lot ( i died once)

Kreb

4834 Posts

June 03 2014 01:21 GMT

#17580

On June 03 2014 09:50 Targe wrote:
i actually wanted to be offlane solo but pubs are pubs and shit happens, the tinker ended up going necrobook aghs though so we did eventually win

http://dotabuff.com/matches/696803540

edit: yeah yango i just decided to suck it up and take the lane loss, the axe didnt help things though by dying a lot ( i died once)

Watched it. Honestly you were doing fine up until when you both died (more axes fault although you couldve backed off earlier and survived too). You were up in cs. Axe eventually becomes a burden there though since he runs of of regen and with you taking the vast majority of the farm (not blaming, just noting) he had super slow tranqs. But after the double death plus axe being without regen/tranqs you have to admit the lane to be lost and either ferry an extra salve to stay in lane against rocket spam or go back and regen when you go too low.