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LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
April 29 2014 07:46 GMT
#16801
On April 29 2014 12:36 rebdomine wrote:

Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:32 LeeDawg wrote:
where do I turn on right click denying? I think I remember hearing that's a thing but I'm not sure...


Input this in console: dota_force_right_click_attack 1


what do you mean in the console? like in the chat window?
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ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 08:01:22
April 29 2014 07:54 GMT
#16802
No, enable the developer console by putting "-console" or "+con_enable 1" * in your launch settings for Dota 2. (Right click Dota 2 in your library, Properties > Set Launch Settings).
Then your " ~ " (Tilde key, below escape on KB) will open and close the console while you're in Dota 2 (There is also an option to enable this in settings but i'm not sure if it works without the launch settings).


*
-console will automatically open the console every time you launch dota, and you will have to press the tilde key to close it.
+con_enable 1 will allow you to open or close the console at will and won't automatically open the console when you launch dota.

For more on customising Dota you can check this thread, note that some of it outdated: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/dota-2/337793-customising-dota-2
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
April 29 2014 09:10 GMT
#16803
On April 29 2014 12:36 rebdomine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 18:31 Laserist wrote:
On April 28 2014 14:04 rebdomine wrote:
On April 28 2014 12:29 iv~nk~j wrote:
Can missed attacks on you still procc Mjollnir's Static Charge?



This was literally asked a page ago. Procs are based on damage, so missed attacks can't proc Static Charge


Does it proc when you deal 0 damage? Or it is based on the damage received?


It is based on taking damage, so I would imagine taking hits from an enemy whose damage was all sapped out by Static Link would mean Static Charge would never proc.

I should test this out actually.

Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:32 LeeDawg wrote:
where do I turn on right click denying? I think I remember hearing that's a thing but I'm not sure...


Input this in console: dota_force_right_click_attack 1

I think the best way to test it would be with TA refraction charges. She definitely takes "damage" in that her blink dagger is disabled.
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makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
April 29 2014 14:27 GMT
#16804
On April 29 2014 18:10 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:36 rebdomine wrote:
On April 28 2014 18:31 Laserist wrote:
On April 28 2014 14:04 rebdomine wrote:
On April 28 2014 12:29 iv~nk~j wrote:
Can missed attacks on you still procc Mjollnir's Static Charge?



This was literally asked a page ago. Procs are based on damage, so missed attacks can't proc Static Charge


Does it proc when you deal 0 damage? Or it is based on the damage received?


It is based on taking damage, so I would imagine taking hits from an enemy whose damage was all sapped out by Static Link would mean Static Charge would never proc.

I should test this out actually.

On April 29 2014 12:32 LeeDawg wrote:
where do I turn on right click denying? I think I remember hearing that's a thing but I'm not sure...


Input this in console: dota_force_right_click_attack 1

I think the best way to test it would be with TA refraction charges. She definitely takes "damage" in that her blink dagger is disabled.


0 hero damage is still hero damage, whereas missed damage does not count to anything.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
April 29 2014 15:07 GMT
#16805
On April 29 2014 23:27 makmeatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 18:10 ahswtini wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:36 rebdomine wrote:
On April 28 2014 18:31 Laserist wrote:
On April 28 2014 14:04 rebdomine wrote:
On April 28 2014 12:29 iv~nk~j wrote:
Can missed attacks on you still procc Mjollnir's Static Charge?



This was literally asked a page ago. Procs are based on damage, so missed attacks can't proc Static Charge


Does it proc when you deal 0 damage? Or it is based on the damage received?


It is based on taking damage, so I would imagine taking hits from an enemy whose damage was all sapped out by Static Link would mean Static Charge would never proc.

I should test this out actually.

On April 29 2014 12:32 LeeDawg wrote:
where do I turn on right click denying? I think I remember hearing that's a thing but I'm not sure...


Input this in console: dota_force_right_click_attack 1

I think the best way to test it would be with TA refraction charges. She definitely takes "damage" in that her blink dagger is disabled.


0 hero damage is still hero damage, whereas missed damage does not count to anything.

Wait why is this relevant? I thought we were discussing 0 hero damage interactions with mjollnir
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
April 29 2014 15:33 GMT
#16806
What core items would I build on Lina as a carry/semicarry mid?

I'm thinking Treads, Blink, Orchid, BKB? Situationally get Aghs if there's a carry you need to shut down in a teamfight?

Of course, getting something like a Force Staff instead of a Blink situationally if there's a Riki or Skywrath on the other team would be pretty important.

As for skillbuild, would maxing Q and then E with one point in W work, or is making your Q > W > E strictly better?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 29 2014 15:53 GMT
#16807
Likely opt for shadowblade over blink, especially since your blink doesn't necessarily guarantee a stun.

Treads are actually not absurd considering how much attack speed you get for free, and phase help you cs, but its kinda whatever.

As a farming role you actually need to max both nukes asap since that is how you farm. Your right clicks wont really hurt till level 14 anyway so no need to max E before then.

Orchid is a nice damage item although a silence really doesn't synergize with your skillset much, I think you still need it. Atos might work if you need a bit of burst-resistance since the slow is actually absurd combined with your skillset.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 16:10:17
April 29 2014 16:05 GMT
#16808
Farming role Lina arguably still gets Arcane Boots, or Travels if fed, to sustain your high mana usage. The increased farming efficiency pays back over the weaker lategame usefulness of raw mana (and even then, raw mana is still good given the high mana cost of her ultimate).

On April 30 2014 00:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
Orchid is a nice damage item although a silence really doesn't synergize with your skillset much, I think you still need it. Atos might work if you need a bit of burst-resistance since the slow is actually absurd combined with your skillset.

I think Orchid is situationally fine.

The key with Shadowblade-first Lina is getting comfortable using it to solo-kill because your burst is insanely high, and Laguna Blade has quite a low CD even on the first 2 ranks. The trick is being able to comfortably combo autoattack->LSA with no lead-off spell against an unaware target because her animations are ass. Against more slippery heroes, you may need Orchid to keep them from escaping, but you'd still need Blink or Lothar to get close enough, and delaying teamfight items like BKB or major damage items until 3rd item is a bit too slow, so make sure it's absolutely necessary if you're getting Orchid.
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Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
April 29 2014 17:18 GMT
#16809
Is a value point in E any good for chasing or DPS after I've casted my spells? I imagine that as Lina my carry potential is not going to be nearly as good as something like a SF or Morphling mid, so I think I should be more involved in the midgame than those two heroes.

Are you sure that the farming benefits of Arcanes outweigh the attack speed plus extra HP of using Treads, with Tread switching taken into account? Especially if I'm going shadowblade and have a point in Fiery Soul, wouldn't the DPS in fights be worth it?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 29 2014 17:20 GMT
#16810
If you are looking for solo kills you need the value point in E yes. Otherwise its not that necessary but definitely takeable.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 17:47:07
April 29 2014 17:33 GMT
#16811
Going Treads gives you this awkward situation:

Lina base mana at level 11 with Int Treads + Wand: 910
Mana cost of full combo: 75 (Lothar) + 140 (Dragon Slave) + LSA (125) + 420 (Laguna) = 760

You basically spend most of your mana killing someone, making your overall sustainability very poor, even WITH Treads swapping. Treads swap is of lower effectiveness when your base Intel is very high (because the effective gain in mana is basically dictated by what % of your total 8 Int is), and drop Arcanes + drink Bottle is MORE effective. Again, the alternative is going Travels, because Travels makes it overall less damaging to your tempo to have to go home, but you have to be quite fed for Travels to be good because it gives no stats.

You actually have more room to go Treads if you're making a primary Intel item first because it shaves 75 mana off your combo while giving you more mana.

EDIT: Value point in Fiery Soul is situational. You'll always have it by 10, but whether you take it earlier depends on the types of heroes you're trying to kill (Fiery Soul gives you more chasing DPS, but there are plenty of heroes that your initial combo simply has to kill and you don't get a chance to chase).
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
April 29 2014 17:42 GMT
#16812
what is "ss"?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 17:44:00
April 29 2014 17:43 GMT
#16813
miSSing
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 29 2014 17:46 GMT
#16814
Also Storm Spirit or Shadow Shaman. Or shadow strike. But generally "Still Seeking" or "miSSing"
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
April 29 2014 17:50 GMT
#16815
kiSSing
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 29 2014 17:53 GMT
#16816
Alternately, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS huehuehue
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Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
April 29 2014 18:08 GMT
#16817
What is the standard way to control the camera? I recently started and have it so that WASD move the camera with QERF as the main skills. I click on the mini-map for large jumps but for laning etc I am not sure what is best. I like not having to move my mouse to move the camera but maybe that's a bad habit and camera grip is better. Maybe I should keep more keys available for hotkeys...
Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
April 29 2014 18:11 GMT
#16818
On April 30 2014 02:33 TheYango wrote:
Going Treads gives you this awkward situation:

Lina base mana at level 11 with Int Treads + Wand: 910
Mana cost of full combo: 75 (Lothar) + 140 (Dragon Slave) + LSA (125) + 420 (Laguna) = 760

You basically spend most of your mana killing someone, making your overall sustainability very poor, even WITH Treads swapping. Treads swap is of lower effectiveness when your base Intel is very high (because the effective gain in mana is basically dictated by what % of your total 8 Int is), and drop Arcanes + drink Bottle is MORE effective. Again, the alternative is going Travels, because Travels makes it overall less damaging to your tempo to have to go home, but you have to be quite fed for Travels to be good because it gives no stats.

You actually have more room to go Treads if you're making a primary Intel item first because it shaves 75 mana off your combo while giving you more mana.

EDIT: Value point in Fiery Soul is situational. You'll always have it by 10, but whether you take it earlier depends on the types of heroes you're trying to kill (Fiery Soul gives you more chasing DPS, but there are plenty of heroes that your initial combo simply has to kill and you don't get a chance to chase).

OK, thanks for the info.

What kind of damage item would you get on lina? I've already said Orchid, but if the game doesn't really call for an Orchid what do I get instead?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 18:23:52
April 29 2014 18:22 GMT
#16819
Mjollnir, Deso, AC, Crit, MKB, etc. Just pick what suits the game.

Usually you need BKB by 2nd major item because a carry Lina usually wants to break a lane on 3rd/4th item.
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Fencar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States2694 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-29 18:25:58
April 29 2014 18:24 GMT
#16820
Awesome, thanks!

Edit: By second major item, do you mean after SB/Blink or after the next item?
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