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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 28 2013 16:29 GMT
#13281
LOL midas is now how you justify rage BB. I like it.
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Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
October 28 2013 16:46 GMT
#13282
On October 29 2013 00:45 Najda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 00:30 ayaz2810 wrote:
On October 28 2013 23:47 ReignSupreme. wrote:
On October 28 2013 23:40 ayaz2810 wrote:
Why do people keep calling Dota "doto"? I'm sure it's a meme of some kind, but every time I read it, I get an urge to correct someone because I don't know the story.


It's just a saying/trend, like valve being "volvo" etc. Nothing fancy behind it.



Not nearly as interesting as I expected =\


Are any memes really that interesting?


Good point. The internet does tend to breed stupidity at an alarming rate. Also, I'm on a 13-2 run in my last 15 games. Mostly using Drow, Lich (the first 2 I ever learned. I know I'm a noob), KoTL, and Lion. What other ranged heroes, preferably carries, would be remotely comparable to any of these? I know melee heroes can be very good, but I just cannot get good with any of them. Even after a few hundred games... which actually brings up another question: What is a VERY noob friendly melee carry hero that you would recommend for someone who plays borderline retarded like me?
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 28 2013 16:49 GMT
#13283
Lifestealer is a pretty good hero although you learn bad habits. Rage is some spell and infest + a mobility hero lets you initiate really well without worrying about how awful being melee is.
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Rodberd
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany531 Posts
October 28 2013 16:53 GMT
#13284
is it possible to set camera-llocations to a hotkey like you could do in SC2?

because right now singsing is jumpping to the runespots just by keys.
dont think he grouped the wards, because they arent centered when he jumps there.
Ooooh, look at it go
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 28 2013 17:04 GMT
#13285
Yes it is. You bind keys to the locations in your autoexec.cfg. I don't know the exact coordinates for the runes so just google "Dota 2 rune camera hotkeys" or something like that.
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Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
October 28 2013 17:52 GMT
#13286
On October 29 2013 01:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
Lifestealer is a pretty good hero although you learn bad habits. Rage is some spell and infest + a mobility hero lets you initiate really well without worrying about how awful being melee is.


Lol I'll give him a shot. I like his built in BKB ability. Thanks!
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
October 28 2013 17:53 GMT
#13287
On October 29 2013 02:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yes it is. You bind keys to the locations in your autoexec.cfg. I don't know the exact coordinates for the runes so just google "Dota 2 rune camera hotkeys" or something like that.


That's so awesome. I'd like to be able to put more of my APM to use. I would probably bind runes and towers or something for fast TP.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 28 2013 17:59 GMT
#13288
On October 29 2013 02:53 ayaz2810 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 02:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yes it is. You bind keys to the locations in your autoexec.cfg. I don't know the exact coordinates for the runes so just google "Dota 2 rune camera hotkeys" or something like that.


That's so awesome. I'd like to be able to put more of my APM to use. I would probably bind runes and towers or something for fast TP.

A few things extra APM can do:
Click enemy heroes periodically to check for new items
Check runes every 2 minutes
Stack camps (preferably ancients) with illusions or a dominated creep (via helm of the dominator)
Scout with illusions/controlled creeps. Heroes that buy a manta especially can use their illusions to make sure that their farm is safe.
Play heroes like chen, meepo and enchantress who need to control multiple minions
Babysit your courier (keep an eye on it make sure it doesn't "get ganked" lol. Fly it over trees if you can)

Plus other standard things like map awareness. Also check scoreboard for enemy hero levels periodically when they are around level 6 usually.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 28 2013 19:05 GMT
#13289
BTW s4 just went Chain/Static/Bolt @level 3 in that order in D2CL. Vindication!

(not sure what thread we were discussing this in)
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robaq
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland186 Posts
October 28 2013 20:32 GMT
#13290
Since the tranquils got reworked, is Vanguard now a viable regen solution on melee carries? I have started building it on PL and Spectre and it seems to work quite well if gotten before the 10-12 min mark. I also feel that it allows to skip drums on these heroes and lets them jungle safely. I don't know at which point should i get rid of it, but i suppose they should be just replaced with a heart.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 28 2013 21:17 GMT
#13291
On October 29 2013 04:05 Sn0_Man wrote:
BTW s4 just went Chain/Static/Bolt @level 3 in that order in D2CL. Vindication!

(not sure what thread we were discussing this in)

Against a Clock mid, it makes sense.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
October 28 2013 22:20 GMT
#13292
vanguard's always been a viable regen solution on melee carries
it was just that pre-nerf tranq + vit booster was generally better because of the price difference and higher rate of regen
like a pooled AM who goes tranq first freefarms against offlane ds idk how that's fair
vg's pretty good on spec because spec's innate dps is so high anyway, so living longer in fights is a big deal. also it makes him very difficult to gank
it's not bad on pl but he really needs another item after it before he makes an impact on the game
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
October 29 2013 01:12 GMT
#13293
On October 29 2013 02:53 ayaz2810 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 02:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
Yes it is. You bind keys to the locations in your autoexec.cfg. I don't know the exact coordinates for the runes so just google "Dota 2 rune camera hotkeys" or something like that.


That's so awesome. I'd like to be able to put more of my APM to use. I would probably bind runes and towers or something for fast TP.

Check enemy items. Memorize item timings and warn your team. Deward everything. If you can do this while harassing, running ganks and being aggressive, that's hard. Checking locations or checking items while jungling is not hard.
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
October 29 2013 13:17 GMT
#13294
Hey guys,

Playing Tinker. Early to mid game he's pretty solid at ganking and I can get a lot of kills but late late game I just find myself unable to actually do meaningful damage. Yesterday I went lasers rockets dagon, reload, lasers rockets and the Pudge was still at like half health...

Anything I can do to increase my damage output? Or is that just not my role? Most of the time I'm just teleporting from top to bottom lane and pushing back creep waves or using Scythe to help in team fights, but otherwise I don't have much stopping power even at max level :/
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
Rodberd
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany531 Posts
October 29 2013 13:20 GMT
#13295
i dont think tinker should be considered as a dmg-dealer.
unless you can pin down other heros in your multi-march there isnt much dmg you deal. esp to tanky heorsl ike pudge.

tinker is more like a split-pusher while the rest of your team works on the other heros.
and if you are in teamfights, you should march first and laser their main-dmgdealer.
spam the rest of your items/skills and reload to repeat or reposition.
Ooooh, look at it go
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8915 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 13:51:08
October 29 2013 13:50 GMT
#13296
tinker isnt a split pusher. he cant push for shit
personally i think the best item build on tinker is dagon 5/eblade/hex. dagon5 and eblade gives good damage late game but most importantly the ethereal status is really good when trying to control their team. and thats what tinker is, hes a hero thats supposed to shutdown enemy heroes. march in advance of pushes, and when theyre starting to fight just eblade, dagon 5, hex, rocket and rearm. thats all you have to do to win teamfights. if that isnt enough, then your teammates either arent suitable for lategame, didnt find enough farm, or are bad.
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
October 29 2013 15:51 GMT
#13297
On October 29 2013 22:50 evilfatsh1t wrote:
tinker isnt a split pusher. he cant push for shit
personally i think the best item build on tinker is dagon 5/eblade/hex. dagon5 and eblade gives good damage late game but most importantly the ethereal status is really good when trying to control their team. and thats what tinker is, hes a hero thats supposed to shutdown enemy heroes. march in advance of pushes, and when theyre starting to fight just eblade, dagon 5, hex, rocket and rearm. thats all you have to do to win teamfights. if that isnt enough, then your teammates either arent suitable for lategame, didnt find enough farm, or are bad.


?

I've heard Tinker is one of the best pushers in the game. Just by myself I'm able to spam march across all the lanes and push the creeps all the way back.

What do you think about a heaven's halberd on Tinker against guys like Ursa? With Scythe and Halberd/Laser Rearm you can basically shut down two heroes for your teammates to bash on.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
Shootemup.
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1044 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 16:48:57
October 29 2013 16:01 GMT
#13298
On October 30 2013 00:51 DinoMight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2013 22:50 evilfatsh1t wrote:
tinker isnt a split pusher. he cant push for shit
personally i think the best item build on tinker is dagon 5/eblade/hex. dagon5 and eblade gives good damage late game but most importantly the ethereal status is really good when trying to control their team. and thats what tinker is, hes a hero thats supposed to shutdown enemy heroes. march in advance of pushes, and when theyre starting to fight just eblade, dagon 5, hex, rocket and rearm. thats all you have to do to win teamfights. if that isnt enough, then your teammates either arent suitable for lategame, didnt find enough farm, or are bad.


?

I've heard Tinker is one of the best pushers in the game. Just by myself I'm able to spam march across all the lanes and push the creeps all the way back.

What do you think about a heaven's halberd on Tinker against guys like Ursa? With Scythe and Halberd/Laser Rearm you can basically shut down two heroes for your teammates to bash on.

Tinker can splitpush lanes pretty well, but unlike a lot of other splitpushers (like Furion or AM) he doesn't really do damage to towers. Personally I wouldn't ever get a Halberd on Tinker as it doesn't really give you anything you want. It doesn't increase your mana pool, its active is made worthless by BKB, and it doesn't do damage. I personally like the Sheep/Dagon5/Eblade build that Qojqva and Bulba use.

EDIT: If you watch this video you can see the damage potential of a Sheep/Dagon5/Eblade Tinker.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 29 2013 16:02 GMT
#13299
Halberd is pretty bad since like you pointed out laser is the same thing (unless MKB) and hex is just better (plus gives you mana). If you need "evasion" just get a ghost sceptre and be phys immune forever (plus go eblade late game :D)

Tinker is actually a bad pusher because he is terrible at hitting towers. He kills the creep waves no problem but he has no way to bring down the towers which is what really matters.
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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
October 29 2013 16:21 GMT
#13300
On October 29 2013 22:17 DinoMight wrote:
Hey guys,

Playing Tinker. Early to mid game he's pretty solid at ganking and I can get a lot of kills but late late game I just find myself unable to actually do meaningful damage. Yesterday I went lasers rockets dagon, reload, lasers rockets and the Pudge was still at like half health...

Anything I can do to increase my damage output? Or is that just not my role? Most of the time I'm just teleporting from top to bottom lane and pushing back creep waves or using Scythe to help in team fights, but otherwise I don't have much stopping power even at max level :/

Why would you be using your spells on a lategame Pudge given how flesh heap works?

Tinker lategame is actually ridiculously good provided you've farmed well. Rearm --> hex --> rearm ---> hex on a carry is brutal. Your nukes should either be owning supports or helping your team burst down a carry. Doesn't really make sense to use them on a lategame pudge and expect a high damage output.
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