EPTDoes Tiny's craggy exterior stuns go through bkb?
Is QW Invoker still viable or is it just bad now because of the shitty base damage?
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
Does Tiny's craggy exterior stuns go through bkb? Is QW Invoker still viable or is it just bad now because of the shitty base damage? | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
No because you lose the mid lane and I don't think Invoker plays well from behind. | ||
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Baggage
Hong Kong593 Posts
On July 22 2013 15:36 Whole wrote: No because you lose the mid lane and I don't think Invoker plays well from behind. QW Invokers are certainly still viable in pubs. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8913 Posts
On July 22 2013 15:24 Ryder. wrote: 2 questions, Does Tiny's craggy exterior stuns go through bkb? Is QW Invoker still viable or is it just bad now because of the shitty base damage? its still viable if you can overcome the base damage problem. for example if youre laning against a really low dmg laner (meepo, sniper) or if you start with random gold and get yourself a null talisman at the start. his spells havent changed so if you dont run into problems early game he can still wreck shit mid game | ||
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Rodberd
Germany531 Posts
On July 22 2013 15:02 synapse wrote: is there a good way to organize courier usage in a 5man team? we seem to always fight over the courier, sometimes people rage and buy couriers for "personal usage"  maybe a 2nd courier could fix it. because it will not respond to the hotkeys. so you have to controll it like a creep. so buy it, group it and let it do the work only for you while the rest is fighting for the maincourier by using the hotkeys. | ||
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
United States976 Posts
On July 22 2013 15:02 synapse wrote: is there a good way to organize courier usage in a 5man team? we seem to always fight over the courier, sometimes people rage and buy couriers for "personal usage" mm.. you'll really just have to get used to not using the courier needlessly. Too many people will go, derp forgot a TP and buy one and send it on the courier when for example, your magnus is 100g from their blink. Communicate with your lanemates if you're going to use the courier, see if they can't buy before you send it so the courier only needs to make one trip. etc. | ||
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hooahah
3752 Posts
On July 22 2013 15:02 synapse wrote: is there a good way to organize courier usage in a 5man team? we seem to always fight over the courier, sometimes people rage and buy couriers for "personal usage" find better teammates, that's pretty much it. Recognize when someone is priority for courier and let that person use the courier. also, I see a lot of players that use the courier to buy stuff that is in the sideshops, which is pretty bad. The sideshops have a lot of the early game stuff that you usually buy (sobi mask/ring of regen/ ring of health/ boots/ the list goes on). If you're in the sidelanes, plan ahead on what items you're gonna get (which is why sometimes players buy the recipe for Soul Ring in the start, for example) | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On July 22 2013 15:02 synapse wrote: is there a good way to organize courier usage in a 5man team? we seem to always fight over the courier, sometimes people rage and buy couriers for "personal usage" Don't try to use the courier just to complete a Bracer or anything minor. Also understand that mid needs their bottle first | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
use the portraits at the top of the screen | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Nothing makes me facepalm like someone using the courier to bring a ring of protection to sidelane, and upon returning to base go ferry 2 iron branches to the same player. If 800 is still too much, don't let anyone but mid deliver stuff for less than 1k or 1,5k gold. I don't play invoker, but I've seen invokers getting either claws of attack/null talisman in starting items and even 1-2 casual levels of exort just for lasthitting. Of course not as strong as invoker once was, but doable. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8272 Posts
On July 22 2013 15:02 synapse wrote: is there a good way to organize courier usage in a 5man team? we seem to always fight over the courier, sometimes people rage and buy couriers for "personal usage" 5 man team as in you're all on teamspeak and talking to each other? The simplest way is to ask "I'll take the courier if no one else needs it?". If you seriously can't agree on who gets to use the courier, you guys have some major synergy issues. If you're not on skype/ts with eachother, you just go by rank. If you're mid and its early, the courier is always yours. If you're 5th (hardsupport), really think if you need that ward right now. If the mid has just used the courier to bring him the bottle, you're usually safe to just go ahead and use it. Upgrading it early is a major bonus. If the mid wants to bottlecrow, he's last in line. Either he buys his own, or he waits until everyone else is done. You can't really bottlecrow properly without buying your own or upgrading it very early. I've seen both in pro games. edit: But seriously. Just communicate with each other. Sometimes shit happens, and the hardcarry needs regen NOW to be able to stay in lane. If you're mid at this point and you want that null talisman, it will have to wait. edit: Nearly forgot. If you're jungling, the rest of the team will just have to accept that you'll be ferrying small items to you a lot. But for the most part this is a lot closer to base, so it doesn't take as long, and you can always be efficient by having more people use it at once. Mid still takes priority though. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8272 Posts
On July 22 2013 22:20 Mataza wrote: Don't send the courier for items worth less than 800 or so gold except for mid. Nothing makes me facepalm like someone using the courier to bring a ring of protection to sidelane, and upon returning to base go ferry 2 iron branches to the same player. If 800 is still too much, don't let anyone but mid deliver stuff for less than 1k or 1,5k gold. I don't play invoker, but I've seen invokers getting either claws of attack/null talisman in starting items and even 1-2 casual levels of exort just for lasthitting. Of course not as strong as invoker once was, but doable. Yes. You know you're in for a good game when you get your bottle as a mid invoker, and then realize the not upgraded courier is at T1 safe lane delivering a magic stick to the support.. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On July 22 2013 22:20 Mataza wrote: Don't send the courier for items worth less than 800 or so gold except for mid. Nothing makes me facepalm like someone using the courier to bring a ring of protection to sidelane, and upon returning to base go ferry 2 iron branches to the same player. If 800 is still too much, don't let anyone but mid deliver stuff for less than 1k or 1,5k gold. I don't play invoker, but I've seen invokers getting either claws of attack/null talisman in starting items and even 1-2 casual levels of exort just for lasthitting. Of course not as strong as invoker once was, but doable. You realize there is no difference between sending out a RoP and your full Tranquils, right? =P | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On July 23 2013 02:03 Excludos wrote: Yes. You know you're in for a good game when you get your bottle as a mid invoker, and then realize the not upgraded courier is at T1 safe lane delivering a magic stick to the support.. and then you realize that bottle on invoker is bad | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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LionsLinden
Germany2 Posts
I did these using http://dota2draft.the-cluster.org/ you get paired with some random person or a friend and you just play CM picking phase. I did two picks, first as Dire, second as Radiant. Here are the links to the results: Dire Radiant | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On July 23 2013 03:21 TheYango wrote: Bottle is good for Wex-Exort Invoker. cold snap is too good to be passed | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On July 23 2013 02:23 r.Evo wrote: You realize there is no difference between sending out a RoP and your full Tranquils, right? =P On the other hand tranqil boots and ring of basilius are items you want early and should know *if* you want to get them before you even go to lane. RoP is such a good and cheap item that you can almost always buy it from starting gold. Except for regen and RoP, you can get anything else you need for the laning phase from the sideshop. If your build consisted of quelling blade, stout shield and tranqil boots, you should start with RoP. You could even buy RoP, wards and the chicken itself and have enough money to buy a tango. | ||
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Alur
Denmark3900 Posts
On July 23 2013 05:56 Mataza wrote: On the other hand tranqil boots and ring of basilius are items you want early and should know *if* you want to get them before you even go to lane. RoP is such a good and cheap item that you can almost always buy it from starting gold. Except for regen and RoP, you can get anything else you need for the laning phase from the sideshop. If your build consisted of quelling blade, stout shield and tranqil boots, you should start with RoP. You could even buy RoP, wards and the chicken itself and have enough money to buy a tango. I wouldn't start with RoP on a melee hero, atleast not if im facing a lane with harass. | ||
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
United States976 Posts
On July 23 2013 06:31 Alur wrote: I wouldn't start with RoP on a melee hero, atleast not if im facing a lane with harass. Why not? RoP + stout + branch and you still have enough gold to grab a tango or salve.. Now you can get your tranqs at the side shop without using the courier. This of course assumes you know you want to get tranqs when you start I guess. | ||
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