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Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
July 08 2013 15:32 GMT
#10301
On July 09 2013 00:11 Mataza wrote:
I have a weird technical problem.
Every time I start Dota, it warns me that steam cloud can't sync me. I can still play though, but it weirds me the hell out.


This doesnt matter because dota doesnt progress with save files like most games do.
In Mushi we trust
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
July 08 2013 15:56 GMT
#10302
I know that it doesn't matter, I can still play with no detriment. It's just strange that it suddenly started doing that.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
July 08 2013 19:54 GMT
#10303
On July 09 2013 00:56 Mataza wrote:
I know that it doesn't matter, I can still play with no detriment. It's just strange that it suddenly started doing that.


I think I had that when my PC was unplugged and forgot what year it was. Might want to check out your time settings and see.
I think esports is pretty nice.
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
July 08 2013 21:33 GMT
#10304
Can someone explain to me what Orange's Windrunner was doing vs Tongfu in the Super League, in the game where Tongfu took Timber?

She did almost nothing the entire game. She was her team's offlane solo, against a Gyro, Rubick, and jungling Chen. She spent the laning phase as far away from the creeps and t1 tower as possible. She hung out around the t2 tower, occasionally blocking creeps, sometimes hung around the ancients (but never stacking them), and when the other team put in a concentrated effort to push down her tower she did absolutely nothing and let it die, without soaking up any xp at all. She eventually sat in mid to leech xp from OD, and then didn't skill anything. When she got level 4 she leveled powershot and nothing else (so 2 skill points used total). At level 6 she finally put 3 in shackle. At level 7 she took windrun instead of powershot. She eventually farmed a force staff and an incredibly late mek (not sure why the very well-farmed OD didn't mek instead).

Her team basically did nothing entire game as well. They never contested a Roshan, didn't take fights when OD got his vyse or when he finished BKB, or when Puck got his Blink. Enchantress got manaboots only (not sure why she didn't build mek instead either). They never really pushed ever. There was almost no action in the game. Eventually the other team just walked uphill and won the game. The alchemist hadn't even tried to contest mid farm vs the OD, he stayed fairly far back, and slowly/poorly farmed ancients with acid sometimes-- OD had 50 denies by 12 minutes; and yet the mid t1 tower never died.

I just don't understand.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
July 08 2013 21:36 GMT
#10305
Not having watched the game you make it sound like a case of #322
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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
July 08 2013 22:13 GMT
#10306
That would be embarassing to have more 322 in professional doto.
Can you find a vod for us to judge this?
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Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
July 08 2013 22:19 GMT
#10307
http://www.twitch.tv/beyondthesummit2/b/422916909 game starts at ~1:46:00.

What's 322?
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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 23:29:47
July 08 2013 22:58 GMT
#10308
Solo was a player in roxkis who bet against his own team and then proceeded to lose.
He got a lifetime ban from the tournament, got kicked by his team and he made only 322$ by losing.

edit: Watched the game for 20 minutes.
Windrunner was zoned out. She would very likely be killed had she gotten closer to the creeps. Actually quite common for offlane heroes. I would have preferred her doing the ancients like funnik recently did, but oh well.

Alchemist doing stacked ancients instead of going to lane vs. OD is correct too. OD is an infamously good laning hero. He couldn't exactly push the tier 1 though, first because Chen and other supports threaten to countergank him if he goes too far and more importantly, an OD wants the laning phase to be as long as possible. Od has a very hard time farming outside of a lane.

Overall this game was quite a stomp and it's very questionable to send a puck safe lane while leaving a gyro farm the opposite safelane uncontested.
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8281 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 00:01:52
July 08 2013 23:54 GMT
#10309
There was a lot of questionable stuff in that match, but mostly in terms of bad picks. Windrunner was completely zoned out of lane. The reason he waited to skill up is that he didn't want to spend a point in windrun early, but you need the skill ready in case he suddenly got ganked. The second the teamfights starts happening, he spends all points in shackle and powershot. He was also lvl 1 for so long, but within a couple of minutes he had better farm than some of the dire supports, and went from bottom to fourth bottom by the 20 min mark (not really good as WR, I know, but not bad considering the horrible position he was in). He really knows how to play her imo.

That puck brought exactly nothing to the match. He dies the 3 first deaths from his team, and brought nothing to the teamfights once the bkb was up on gyro.

The thing you mentioned about T1 mid never dying to OD, that was on purpose. The commentators mentioned this as well. As OD, you want the laning phase to last as long as possible, and its a lot easier to farm if the enemy T1 tower is pushing the creepwave back. That combined with a chen in the forest ready to gank at any time makes it less smart for him to try and push it.

edit: Also, when OD had sheepstick, they did try to go out and contest the tower. but through chakram and acid spray its really hard to find the position to do so. The gyro also had aegis at that point, making it that much harder.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 07:16:32
July 09 2013 07:16 GMT
#10310
gyro question (dont think i asked before..)

do you auto attack during rocket barrage?
in lategame, is rocket barrage still better than autoattacking a target? (say you have a rapier or whatever)
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Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
July 09 2013 07:20 GMT
#10311
Yes, unless you're move commanding without ever hitting 'a' or targetting someone; and not even close, respectively.
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Feniqs
Profile Joined February 2010
United States14 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 07:49:59
July 09 2013 07:27 GMT
#10312
Hy Wld someone plz help me out?

I would like to Deny creeps, and throw my Unstable Concoction from Alchemist, but have found no key or key combo that will enable this activity.

I have used 'A' move, 'A' left click, 'A' right click, Shift (all of the previous), all w/ no luck. I tried re-clicking the activation key 'W' but it still wouldn't loose the concoction. I even found an article online that wanted me to alter my Game Preferences in Steam, but had to reset after that.

Anyone able/willing to help w/ that?
For any geniuses out there who generally don't help, you can see I have been trying to do this for myself, am willing to put in the work, so plz proffer your assistance.

Thanks, Curt

P.S. I couldn't find a forum that seem more appropriate for this subject, so plz forgive me if it is in wrong place.
Lookin for an SC2 practice partner/group with vent
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8947 Posts
July 09 2013 08:20 GMT
#10313
On July 09 2013 16:27 Feniqs wrote:
Hy Wld someone plz help me out?

I would like to Deny creeps, and throw my Unstable Concoction from Alchemist, but have found no key or key combo that will enable this activity.

I have used 'A' move, 'A' left click, 'A' right click, Shift (all of the previous), all w/ no luck. I tried re-clicking the activation key 'W' but it still wouldn't loose the concoction. I even found an article online that wanted me to alter my Game Preferences in Steam, but had to reset after that.

Anyone able/willing to help w/ that?
For any geniuses out there who generally don't help, you can see I have been trying to do this for myself, am willing to put in the work, so plz proffer your assistance.

Thanks, Curt

P.S. I couldn't find a forum that seem more appropriate for this subject, so plz forgive me if it is in wrong place.

i dont understand what your problem is. might want to explain yourself a little better, even if english is your 2nd language. are you trying to say that you can deny creeps at all and your unstable concoction wont throw? or are you saying you cant do this in sequence?
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
July 09 2013 08:24 GMT
#10314
On July 09 2013 16:20 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Yes, unless you're move commanding without ever hitting 'a' or targetting someone; and not even close, respectively.


wow, rocket barrage suddenly got even better :x

(so my 2nd question is really less consequential - you can do both at the same time)
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Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-09 10:43:31
July 09 2013 10:02 GMT
#10315
I think Feniqs wants to deny the creep with his Unstable Concoction. Feniqs, you cannot deny creeps with (most) spells, so it isn't possible.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
July 09 2013 10:34 GMT
#10316
You can deny creeps only with a few select spells(demonic conversion from Enigma, sacrifice from Lich. If that was the question.

You can also only deny creeps that are below 50% hp, if they are above that you can't attack your own creeps.

Unstable concoction should be thrown with the same button you used to start the spell. You can only target enemy heroes with it, so look out that someone is in range or you will stun yourself.

I hope any of this helps.
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
July 09 2013 13:16 GMT
#10317
On July 09 2013 16:27 Feniqs wrote:
Hy Wld someone plz help me out?

I would like to Deny creeps, and throw my Unstable Concoction from Alchemist, but have found no key or key combo that will enable this activity.

I have used 'A' move, 'A' left click, 'A' right click, Shift (all of the previous), all w/ no luck. I tried re-clicking the activation key 'W' but it still wouldn't loose the concoction. I even found an article online that wanted me to alter my Game Preferences in Steam, but had to reset after that.

Anyone able/willing to help w/ that?
For any geniuses out there who generally don't help, you can see I have been trying to do this for myself, am willing to put in the work, so plz proffer your assistance.

Thanks, Curt

P.S. I couldn't find a forum that seem more appropriate for this subject, so plz forgive me if it is in wrong place.


You can only target heroes with unstable concoction. You can't deny with it. You can't even attack enemy creeps with it.

You're not doing anything wrong, it just can't be done.
taldarimAltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
973 Posts
July 09 2013 13:39 GMT
#10318
Why did KOTL fall of so heavily? He gets no picks and bans now, was it in line with the fall of the 4 protect 1 strat?
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
July 09 2013 14:07 GMT
#10319
On July 09 2013 22:39 taldarimAltar wrote:
Why did KOTL fall of so heavily? He gets no picks and bans now, was it in line with the fall of the 4 protect 1 strat?

Illuminate width was reduced, and it's mana cost was increased at higher levels, making it harder to spam illuminates without having to use more chakras on yourself.
Dodge arrows
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
July 09 2013 14:09 GMT
#10320
Does attacking an enemy hero where his creeps don't have vision of you aggro the creeps?

For example in the mid lane, downhill during the night.
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