EPTOn June 17 2013 06:34 Porkz wrote:
What is the interaction between uphill miss chance and evasion?
What is the interaction between uphill miss chance and evasion?
They're two separate rolls. Evasion is calculated before miss chance on attack.
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
They're two separate rolls. Evasion is calculated before miss chance on attack. | ||
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
On June 17 2013 03:35 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Why use lina at all? The venge/luna/drow trilane is pretty hilarious. I was thinking dual lanes with lina as a semicarry. Venge + Lina could work (?) as there's an obvious setup, and fiery soul + venge aura would synergize a bit. Venge would just play as she would normally as a support, and Lina would prioritize points into fiery soul / dragon slave with just a single point into light strike array. Build phase boots -> Drums -> Euls and be a fireball chucking racecar stunbot! It's pretty damn pub, but fun :D | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Say 40% evasion and 25% uphill miss. Against a target with only this evasion, you have 60% chance to hit. Against a target uphill without evasion without evasion, you have a 75% to hit them. Against a target uphill with this evasion, you have a 45% chance to hit them. 0.6*0.75 = 0.45 | ||
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Tuco
China200 Posts
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
United States976 Posts
On June 16 2013 22:41 Tsutchie wrote: so it should deal disgusting dmg then? since netherswap max range is 1200? if this is true, with the buff to bs doing dmg through bkb, thats one painful combo Rupture into netherswap into pudge hook into triple force staff for terrible terrible damage. (Please don't try this) | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34504 Posts
On June 17 2013 09:17 Tuco wrote: Does anyone know or is there a list somewhere of all the abilities/items that break invisibility? For example does tread switching while invis reveal you? Casting during the fade time won't reveal you. Doing anything during the invis duration will break it (attacking, casting, using any items like bottle tango wand treads phase etc). | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
On June 17 2013 09:17 Tuco wrote: Does anyone know or is there a list somewhere of all the abilities/items that break invisibility? For example does tread switching while invis reveal you? Off the top of my head, furion tp and shadow fiend ult will not break invis until casting is done. Almost everything else will break immediately including placing wards and tread swapping | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 17 2013 11:03 KOFgokuon wrote: Off the top of my head, furion tp and shadow fiend ult will not break invis until casting is done. Almost everything else will break immediately including placing wards and tread swapping Nothing breaks invis till casting is done. It's just that Furion TP and SF Ult have really long cast times. | ||
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valheru
Australia966 Posts
On June 17 2013 11:16 TheYango wrote: Nothing breaks invis till casting is done. It's just that Furion TP and SF Ult have really long cast times. Kinda on this note going invis does not break channeling e.g you can start tping then vendetta and continue to tp and be invis when you arrive. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
Yesterday, I finally decided I had trained enough QoP to try her out in matchmaking. I firstpicked her and wasn't contested, so I happily went mid. Here's the teams (remember, this is trash MMR): 1. Me (QoP), Alchemist, Drow Ranger, Bounty hunter, Earthshaker 2. Viper (went mid), Storm Spirit, Skeleton King, Spectre, Mirana Of course, no one in my team bought any wards, nor courier... but I stomped mid hard. Got two kills on Viper early which made him disconnect, and bought both the courier and the flying courier for my team. I then proceeded to gank and own people until I had around 11-2-5 in stats or something by the midgame, going bottle -> threads -> scythe of vyse. Now this is where it becomes problematic: My team refused to push and fight together and just kept running alone. They weren't straight up feeding mostly, but they wouldn't abuse our advantage (us being 5v4, me being fat as crap). As the game went on, I noticed how hard I was falling off, and eventually there was nothing I could do because I couldn't 1v1 skeleton king or spectre and storm spirit just fled when I found him and at 60 minutes, they throned us. Now for my question: How should I have adapted my play? I felt I was so far ahead in the midgame that I should have been able to carry my team, especially since they were just 4, but I felt like I couldn't do anything. My item progression after scythe was Agha -> Shivas Guard then going for linkens (which I never finished). What I'm thinking right now is that I should maybe have gone for orchid instead of scythe (to help me kill storm easier and keep snowballing), and then go into some form of hard carry weird build to stay strong enough to kill skeleton king and spectre, like a deadalus. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
If you are fed enough to solo-kill enemy heroes, you can put pressure on their carries' farming ability even if your team isn't pushing with you. The key is knowing that you have to do this and making the item choices to do so. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
also dagon qop if u have the farm it owns | ||
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
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valheru
Australia966 Posts
On June 17 2013 14:02 TheYango wrote: That's only true of Wind Walk based invisibility. Other forms of invisibility (e.g. Invis rune, Sandstorm) DO break channeling. Really? Shit I had no idea. What does and doesn't break channeling is going to be like magic immunity where i just have to remember with no real rules I guess? EDIT: http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Invisibility#Wind_Walk found this seems like sandstorm, invis rune and treant are the only break channels EDIT: apparently you can E-Blade and dagon from treant invis is this true? are E-Blade Dagon drive-bys possible? | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34504 Posts
On June 17 2013 18:13 valheru wrote: Really? Shit I had no idea. What does and doesn't break channeling is going to be like magic immunity where i just have to remember with no real rules I guess? EDIT: http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Invisibility#Wind_Walk found this seems like sandstorm, invis rune and treant are the only break channels EDIT: apparently you can E-Blade and dagon from treant invis is this true? are E-Blade Dagon drive-bys possible? Treant invis allows you to cast and use items while invis, so yes. It's not even a drive by since you don't get revealed as you do it, they just take a massive amount of damage from nothing. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8913 Posts
On June 17 2013 15:32 Tobberoth wrote: Another queen of pain related question: Yesterday, I finally decided I had trained enough QoP to try her out in matchmaking. I firstpicked her and wasn't contested, so I happily went mid. Here's the teams (remember, this is trash MMR): 1. Me (QoP), Alchemist, Drow Ranger, Bounty hunter, Earthshaker 2. Viper (went mid), Storm Spirit, Skeleton King, Spectre, Mirana Of course, no one in my team bought any wards, nor courier... but I stomped mid hard. Got two kills on Viper early which made him disconnect, and bought both the courier and the flying courier for my team. I then proceeded to gank and own people until I had around 11-2-5 in stats or something by the midgame, going bottle -> threads -> scythe of vyse. Now this is where it becomes problematic: My team refused to push and fight together and just kept running alone. They weren't straight up feeding mostly, but they wouldn't abuse our advantage (us being 5v4, me being fat as crap). As the game went on, I noticed how hard I was falling off, and eventually there was nothing I could do because I couldn't 1v1 skeleton king or spectre and storm spirit just fled when I found him and at 60 minutes, they throned us. Now for my question: How should I have adapted my play? I felt I was so far ahead in the midgame that I should have been able to carry my team, especially since they were just 4, but I felt like I couldn't do anything. My item progression after scythe was Agha -> Shivas Guard then going for linkens (which I never finished). What I'm thinking right now is that I should maybe have gone for orchid instead of scythe (to help me kill storm easier and keep snowballing), and then go into some form of hard carry weird build to stay strong enough to kill skeleton king and spectre, like a deadalus. if youre that ahead and u know you can farm it. get dagon 5. even when u get dagon 1, u will be able to 1v1 most of them, but dagon 5 would just destroy them. this is only if you know u can get dagon 5 up while u still have the advantage though. if they start catching up in farm and get bkbs and stuff you cant do much but to build ordinary carry items (mkb, daedalus) | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On June 18 2013 01:49 evilfatsh1t wrote: if youre that ahead and u know you can farm it. get dagon 5. even when u get dagon 1, u will be able to 1v1 most of them, but dagon 5 would just destroy them. this is only if you know u can get dagon 5 up while u still have the advantage though. if they start catching up in farm and get bkbs and stuff you cant do much but to build ordinary carry items (mkb, daedalus) orchid eblade scepter dagon, find people out of position and rape them | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
As for going dagon, isn't that extremely risky? You have to get dagon 5 while holding the advantage, dagon 5 being the most expensive item in the game with pretty bad scaling, this seems hard to do. Also, it seems any decent opponents (as in, not the opponents on my MMR) would rush BKBs and shut you down completely. What I'm trying now is bottle -> threads -> orchid -> daedalus, but I'm wondering if it's maybe better to rush MKB. Daedalus does great damage, but it seems to me that MKB is just a must-have since the odds of the opponent carry going butterfly is too big if they are using an agi carry. Also, what would you recommend for survival when going a qop carry build? Obviously the point of playing her like this is to abuse her mobility and huge damage to own, but I feel like you sort of become too squishy to 1v1 the opponent carry if they get decent items, even if you're ahead. Is heart the best option? | ||
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