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sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
December 06 2019 19:42 GMT
#61
On December 06 2019 02:19 sCuMBaG wrote:
Kuro did it on purpose.

We all know the team who's on fire thanks to going through qualifiers often wins.

200IQ plays!


My hypothesis stands!

Play as many games as possible.
Tio-
Profile Joined November 2018
6 Posts
December 06 2019 22:43 GMT
#62
On December 07 2019 03:46 juuto wrote:
Kuro stack doing what a Kuro stack does best. Bouncing back from a disaster... I hope this level of play sticks for a while.

The skill level they played on the match against viking, particularly G2 is higher than average, I'd say. They're playing against a broken hero and they beat it. They mostly played on their usual skill level on the major qualifier, but there are some games where mistakes are made, or when you can obviously see the player is getting rusty (see gh earth spirit). And of course, sometimes kuro outdrafted himself. There are times when you simply can see that he is not contributing enough to the game as a pos5, too.

If you root for Nigma, you should stop saying discouraging things everytime they slumped. Believe in the players. It's the same thing with matu leaving and them leaving liquid - I believe it's a team decision, and not kuro's alone. Any of them are skilled enough to leave (remember MC carrying ppd to top4 major) if they feel kuro isn't doing the best thing for them, so why don't they leave? IMO the 4 of them minus w33 have incredibly high skill ceiling. I personally don't believe in w33, but I respect the decision made by the rest of the team to believe in w33.

Player, and team, isn't always on top form all the time, and they don't need to be for people to support them. If you really support them, do it especially when they're doing badly. That's what a supporter should do.
Khelopcgames
Profile Joined December 2019
2 Posts
December 10 2019 21:42 GMT
#63
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Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
January 08 2020 09:01 GMT
#64
So....which version of Nigma will we see tomorrow? W33 or Miracle mid? Hope they can make it to the Major somehow.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
January 08 2020 13:27 GMT
#65
On January 08 2020 18:01 Rufus Dupres wrote:
So....which version of Nigma will we see tomorrow? W33 or Miracle mid? Hope they can make it to the Major somehow.

If they decide to play they have a pretty good chance. If not - there are 2 more majors and qualifiers, they will be fine.
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
January 09 2020 12:45 GMT
#66
gonna be really interesting to see Nigma today. they've had plenty of time to practise, so no excuses.
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-09 14:50:28
January 09 2020 14:50 GMT
#67
Well, I hope somebody told them that there is no lower bracket if you do not make it out as one of the first two of your group.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
January 09 2020 15:59 GMT
#68
I think they're fine. Classic Kuro-stack rust!
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
January 09 2020 16:48 GMT
#69
Seems like another year where it gets even harder to have faith in this team.
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-09 16:57:14
January 09 2020 16:56 GMT
#70
On December 06 2019 16:38 NInoff wrote:
So like i said before - don't bother trying to understand, just remember - they will play this TI. And they wil tryhard there. Until then things that happened this qualifiers will happen often. No matter if they make it to the minor or not.
.


Any game until TI you can quote me and skip the discussion - you are welcome :D
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
January 09 2020 17:01 GMT
#71
Ehm... yikes?
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
January 09 2020 17:06 GMT
#72
Honestly, I couldn't even watch any of these games from start to finish. I can accept struggling as a team sometimes but it's the same obnoxious cycle every year, it's hard to bother at this point.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-09 18:40:41
January 09 2020 17:07 GMT
#73
Ah how i missed this rolercoaster, around May we'll see how they are playing
MintberryCrunchs
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany462 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-01-09 19:01:13
January 09 2020 18:57 GMT
#74
All these Nigma players are used to carry their fellow public game teammates time and time again because of their high skill and MMR!

Yet somehow, when they come together, they loose against teams where they should have an advantage (and not even a small one) in every direct player comparison.

For a long while now, it looks to me like there is some sort of inherent anti-synergy with this bunch of players.
It seems very obvious when they loose game like those vs FP, but even when they win, it always seems to me like they are fighting against themselves more than versus their enemy's.

Like they have to still figure something out, find the secret ingredient for their success.

But in all honesty, i don't even remember when i have seen just a straight and solid "in the meta" draft from them.
There seems to always have to be at least the one "extra" that makes them either look incredible, or, more often than not in the last time, feel like this endless struggle for their own identity ...
Anamorph
Profile Joined September 2015
236 Posts
January 09 2020 19:32 GMT
#75
i know its the easiest thing to say that the drafting is an issue, but also in support of tools like overwolf dota plus and stats from dotabuff on top, compared to my personal experience of the game, they fully fail in drafting.

the second game was an outdraft too, they just won on individual performance and outplays.. and yes i call something an outdraft when the disadvantage is above 10 percent.

nigma should just do 1 thing to advance - hire a professional drafter like keen who understands the players and also the meta and dota overall. get away from drafting theirselfs and trying to be creative in terms of drafting arc or even clinkz. this is just stupid. they re a freshly build up organization, they need sponsors and a structure in esport, you wont build this up by underperforming and not being interesting for sponsors.



Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
January 10 2020 08:07 GMT
#76
On January 10 2020 01:56 NInoff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2019 16:38 NInoff wrote:
So like i said before - don't bother trying to understand, just remember - they will play this TI. And they wil tryhard there. Until then things that happened this qualifiers will happen often. No matter if they make it to the minor or not.
.


Any game until TI you can quote me and skip the discussion - you are welcome :D


Looks like you are more than right. The interview given by Kuro was pretty straight forward saying that they are not in a good shape without a lot of scrims. Seems like they are playing just for fun without having the goal to win this tournament(if it happens anyway, it will be fine) and their ultimate target is to be on fire by the end of the season.

"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
January 10 2020 14:54 GMT
#77
I guess Dota professionals only want to work two months per year
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
derElbe
Profile Joined February 2009
Germany571 Posts
January 10 2020 18:45 GMT
#78
lets go boys gl tonight
Hoejja - Bisu - Leenock - TLO
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
January 11 2020 01:30 GMT
#79
They were better tonight, their games against FP were much better if you realize that their main issue was FP picking extremely good HG defense lineups which made it hard to close out games .
derElbe
Profile Joined February 2009
Germany571 Posts
January 12 2020 11:11 GMT
#80
they played well and i loved it.
let's go, last day
Hoejja - Bisu - Leenock - TLO
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