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Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
December 15 2021 08:49 GMT
#481
He did not lack the courage to replace Matu with w33 after they qualified for TI9 and he did not hesitate to replace w33 as well when things went bad after the restart of the season. I can understand that you are trying to keep some stability for your roster and players, so that they can focus on their game and not have to think about being replaced at the first opportunity. When you are playing for such a long time together, you are not only ingame-friends but also outside of the game which makes it probably so hard to change things up.

I mean at the Animajor they lost against the winner(LGD) in the upper bracket and the runner-up(EG) in the lower bracket and in the TI-qualifiers they lost two-times against OG who have been their cryptonie for such a long period. That they give it another try after TI10...fair enough. But now, it might be time again to cut off some old braids and revamp the whole team and start grinding games again to get a feeling for the Meta. There was a time when the old Liquid-squad had three of their player in the Top10, a fourth was within the Top50 + Kuro on 6k MMR.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-15 11:53:45
December 15 2021 10:51 GMT
#482
On December 15 2021 17:49 Rufus Dupres wrote:
But now, it might be time again to cut off some old braids and revamp the whole team and start grinding games again to get a feeling for the Meta. There was a time when the old Liquid-squad had three of their player in the Top10, a fourth was within the Top50 + Kuro on 6k MMR.

damn, sorry... posted to fast...

ahm, yes. This maybe.
I think because basically all players have a "history" of being incredible talented and skillfull. I added " " because they still are. Problem: The opponents catched up! Sometimes I feel they go into a fight with (I exaggerate) "It's difficult and dangerous but we are too good for them and get it!"and the edge is not there anymore; at least to take the "wrong" fights!
There can only be one Geisterkarle
Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
December 15 2021 14:47 GMT
#483
On December 15 2021 19:51 Geisterkarle wrote:
I think because basically all players have a "history" of being incredible talented and skillfull. I added " " because they still are. Problem: The opponents catched up! Sometimes I feel they go into a fight with (I exaggerate) "It's difficult and dangerous but we are too good for them and get it!"and the edge is not there anymore; at least to take the "wrong" fights!


True, but to keep up with the young guns and best of the best, you have to play pubs on a daily basis. Their apparent lack of scrimming/grinding pubs can be seen as you mentioned when taking fights which they should not. Instead of cutting their losses when a core is getting caught, they are still trying to fight and in most cases they are losing even more and very often they cannot recover from it.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
December 15 2021 15:52 GMT
#484
On December 15 2021 17:49 Rufus Dupres wrote:
He did not lack the courage to replace Matu with w33 after they qualified for TI9 and he did not hesitate to replace w33 as well when things went bad after the restart of the season. I can understand that you are trying to keep some stability for your roster and players, so that they can focus on their game and not have to think about being replaced at the first opportunity. When you are playing for such a long time together, you are not only ingame-friends but also outside of the game which makes it probably so hard to change things up.

I mean at the Animajor they lost against the winner(LGD) in the upper bracket and the runner-up(EG) in the lower bracket and in the TI-qualifiers they lost two-times against OG who have been their cryptonie for such a long period. That they give it another try after TI10...fair enough. But now, it might be time again to cut off some old braids and revamp the whole team and start grinding games again to get a feeling for the Meta. There was a time when the old Liquid-squad had three of their player in the Top10, a fourth was within the Top50 + Kuro on 6k MMR.


All those decisions actually came way too late. Matu as a mid wasn't working and mid at that time was completely centered around space creation so Miracle didn't want to play it. w33 kick took an entire year after they failed to qualify for the final minor/major before the pandemic hit. I understand it's hard to kick people that you've been playing with for a long time but it's better than dragging everyone down including your fans, and I don't understand where iltw comes into this because he hasn't been on the team that long and he's a bad player on top of that. They're professional teammates first before they're a group of long term friends, that's the reality of the situation. If things aren't working out on the competitive side of things, hard decisions should be made to keep the team competitive instead of Kuro doing everything in his power to protect his friendships.

The Animajor was one decent result in a sea of horrible results that is Nigma's existence. Iltw and MC played horribly during the TI qualifiers and should've been kicked immediately afterwards, and Kuro should've taken advantage of the roster shuffles to refresh his team rather than keeping team mates were very clearly dragging the rest of the team down like his horrible decision making. Anyways, I wholeheartedly believe that the fear of being replaced at the first opportunity is actually good encouragement for players to take their careers seriously. Fuck roster stability. Literally every team is doing better than Nigma right now for a very good reason.
lasl
Profile Joined March 2018
Romania21 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-22 20:48:58
December 22 2021 20:48 GMT
#485
Clinical drafts & plays & wins against Secret. Wp boys!
fundrops0123
Profile Joined December 2021
1 Post
Last Edited: 2021-12-25 11:53:17
December 25 2021 11:53 GMT
#486
Bot edit.

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derElbe
Profile Joined February 2009
Germany571 Posts
January 09 2022 12:43 GMT
#487
So at the moment if feels really good with the boys.

Just keep it rolling like this, you can do it!
Hoejja - Bisu - Leenock - TLO
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
January 11 2022 17:27 GMT
#488
Well, things are looking better for sure!
Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
January 12 2022 08:37 GMT
#489
And just like that the Winter Major is cancelled...just after Nigma are finally getting back into shape. Even the game they lost against Liquid, it did not really look bad at all. Just one crucial mistake and a big blunder in their draft(no tower damage), but game 2 and 3? Very impressive from all positions, although I believe Liquid may have not been practicing that much after the break as they were already qualified.

Questions is, will they take a possible tie-breaker seriously or just let it go?
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
January 13 2022 14:14 GMT
#490
DPC is such a joke. I couldn't even watch most of the Nigma series because Dota Esports is lacking in any real momentum that I forgot when Nigma played again. I hope Nigma take the tie breaker seriously because it might be the last time they play for a long while, they could at least entertain us. Valve always uses COVID as an excuse to sit on their ass and do nothing.
type_Zero_00
Profile Joined August 2017
21 Posts
April 10 2022 11:46 GMT
#491
what the FUVK is happening with nigma. 1st its matu, then w33, then you all want to blame ILTW. at some point fans must blame the rest of the team. damn.....

KURO love you bro. but you should retire. Or at least PLAY SOME MORE PUB to polish your skill. you play like DOGSHIT.
MC love you bro. but you should leave or change pos to pos 1. you play offlane but you take all farm from your pos 1, then blame that pos 1.
miracle + GH. for the love of God. leave nigma and find better team. you 2 deserve better.
ILTW i dont know about you the most. either you're bad or your team just doesnt support you

DAMN... divison 2? REALLY??
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34510 Posts
April 10 2022 17:04 GMT
#492
Yeah this is a real low for the team.
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juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
April 12 2022 14:03 GMT
#493
With ILTW on break and Nigma bringing in FATA, this might be a great move in the long run. Let's not be delusional, ILTW gets blamed because he sucks and everyone who actually pays attention to the games knows that.
type_Zero_00
Profile Joined August 2017
21 Posts
April 12 2022 17:22 GMT
#494
sorry gonna be sarcastic

Now what? wanna blame fata now?
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
April 12 2022 20:52 GMT
#495
I blame Kuro for not putting ILTW on a "break" sooner. It might sound toxic but only Kuro would go for ILTW over an actual top player. ILTW played on multiple teams before and was never impressive. He's received blame on every team that he's been done.

Kuro was simply being too cheap to pay a top player's salary so he pulled cheap player out of other's teams trash.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3275 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-13 02:47:10
April 13 2022 02:45 GMT
#496
Idk if it's just too cheap, most top players already play in teams and Nigma didn't have a really good season in a while and generally kick the newest player, so why play for them? Kinda funny that they kicked Matu in hindsight.

Then again the only top team that played an acceptable season 2 in tier 1 EU was TL. Like no offense to GG but the only player who played in a relevant team before was Ace afaik. I still have no idea who plays in OG outside of Taiga. Entity is a pubstack. I don't think the group is strong enough to just blame going 0:6 on one person.

And from the games I've seen Kuro makes a lot of critical mistakes and MC still struggles to do anything without a lot of farm. Miracle is still hit or miss and the only player with some consistency is still GH. They just don't look competitive.

I also don't really see how Fata fits into the lineup, unless Kuro wants to take more of a backseat role. I think Fata has proven that his strengths lie more in supporting and team captaining and both roles are covered in NG. I don't think he's exceptional enough as a core to keep the ship afloat while his other two cores are farming.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
April 13 2022 08:59 GMT
#497
Well...that 2nd season was really depressing. Their best series was indeed the one with Fata instead of iltw, but Fata will not be the solution as a core player. I can see him captaining this squad and bring in some young blood on the midlane and Kuro goes to coaching position unless he starts to grind games like hell and polish his skills. His impact was really on the low side compared to other five positions . But if same will enough to become a top contender again? I dont know...rankwise they should be doing fine. GH Rank 1, MC Rank 30 and Miracle in the Top40 as well on a smurf, but the coordination was really off and the shot calling was really weird, especially when they were trying to kill Rosh. In nearly every series, a disastrous Rosh-fight was the final nail in the coffin.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
April 16 2022 15:01 GMT
#498
I really just want one good run from Kuro at least until he retires. Surely, he didn't work hard for so long for him to be a walking joke who lost the respect of every single person in existence.
housedesign
Profile Joined April 2022
1 Post
April 27 2022 07:24 GMT
#499
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juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
May 05 2022 22:18 GMT
#500
Well, they seem to be doing much better with Miracle as 1. Even with RMN mid, they look like they could be a top EU team which would be something nobody would've believed beforehand. Kuro needs to just pay for a good mid and start being Tier 1 again, surely, the MENA region has enough money for a Tier 1 mid.
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