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Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
September 28 2021 10:47 GMT
#461
Oh, there are videos?
I only know this picture:
> https://twitter.com/NigmaGalaxy/status/1442564216221835266/photo/1

Well, let's see, what they do there!
They said they want to help the MENA region to step more into the gaming world. Maybe this is part of this! Would love to see another tournament with their involvment there!
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Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
September 28 2021 11:30 GMT
#462
Yes, on Instagram they have been posting some small vids showing them in a mall and having lunch/dinner. Nothing to special, but at least a living sign from our boys.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
October 19 2021 20:50 GMT
#463
The worst part about TI being over is that it means Nigma will soon play and put me through more emotional torture for yet another year. Two years in a row of being a completely incompetent team, let's hope that they won't go for a third.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
October 19 2021 20:53 GMT
#464
May I suggest not following them any more?
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Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
October 20 2021 07:40 GMT
#465
On October 20 2021 05:53 Firebolt145 wrote:
May I suggest not following them any more?


Then he doesnt have anything to criticize and cry about, seeing such a message although the new season hasnt even started is just disgusting. Must have been hard the past weeks when Nigma wasnt playing at TI and nothing to comment on about how bad/lazy whatsoever they are.

Still wondering why he is a fan of Nigma, apparently only for the pain and fancy flare they have here in the forum.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
October 22 2021 20:22 GMT
#466
I don't understand why people can't accept that there will obviously be negativity surrounding a team that's done nothing but fail for two seasons in a row. If you want to defend a team that fails to even qualify for Minors or qualify to TI in one of the worst regions in Dota, that's a personal choice.

The funny thing about Nigma is that telling me to stop following them is a bit ridiculous because what am I following? The last time I posted in this thread up until recently was in July. During the season before the last, Nigma took a long time off to set up with their organization, and they qualified for a Minor afterwards and bombed out of the following Major. After that, they failed to qualify for the next Minor/Major altogether. More months of nothingness from Nigma. What was the reason that they got to start playing games again? A global pandemic and mass death. Then the previous season, Dota 2 moved to a incredibly slow schedule where teams played a series every week. Nigma were missing members at one Major and they did pretty good at the next. Then they failed to qualify to TI. Yet again, more months of nothingness from Nigma. There is literally nothing to follow.

We all have our bad habits. Some people smoke, I watch Nigma's games. As long as I don't break any rules and I don't send harassment towards the players themselves, I actually do not plan on changing so I don't know why people constantly expect me to. Some professional teams actually play all season long including at TI, I'm sorry for expecting that from Nigma instead of making up excuses for them.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3272 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-10-22 23:10:43
October 22 2021 22:59 GMT
#467
While I think that saying that you're entitled to bitch about them having mediocre results is perfectly fair, Europe was the third strongest region this TI and definitely not far behind. Claiming that Europe is one of the worst regions is imo pretty flatout wrong when the EU teams placed 8-12, 6-8 and 3 at TI, especially considering that only Alliance didn't get eliminated by the team that eventually won.

Like there can be little doubt that this time it's SA<NA<SEA<<EU<CIS<=CN. Claiming that EU isn't competitive is just wrong.

I think people are expecting you because the discussion pages are mostly fan clubs, so most of us aren't here to vent about them nonstop but because we're hoping to see them get back on track. Obviously we can't stop you and if it's your way of venting RL stuff or something that's perfectly fine, but since your comments are like 99% of the time negative it's hard to take them as objective criticism instead of random venting.

Nigma always had a record of extreme instability with very high highs and a lot of lows, so your bar that they are supposed to be the clearly best team in the world seems just made to fail.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
November 03 2021 11:49 GMT
#468
Not directly DotA related - probably not much going on there until the season starts again - but after they announced a PUBG team


They now created an all-female LoL squad!


Seems, they really are serious in improving the MENA scene!
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Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-11-04 07:58:34
November 04 2021 07:57 GMT
#469
Indeed very interesting so far with their expansions on multiple other games + the all-female squad for LoL.

Reddit rumours are saying that they are trying out Gabbi and in case same does not work they will go on with Iltw. As I wrote in another thread would have loved a reunion with Matu, but apparently he is going to retire. Sadge.

Guess we will see latest when rosters are locked in in abt. two to three weeks.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
November 04 2021 08:51 GMT
#470
On November 04 2021 16:57 Rufus Dupres wrote:
Indeed very interesting so far with their expansions on multiple other games + the all-female squad for LoL.

Reddit rumours are saying that they are trying out Gabbi and in case same does not work they will go on with Iltw. As I wrote in another thread would have loved a reunion with Matu, but apparently he is going to retire. Sadge.

Guess we will see latest when rosters are locked in in abt. two to three weeks.

Sad if true. However, if rumours are true and jerax is back to play, then anyone can return from retirement lol. matu is still one of the best.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
November 05 2021 13:08 GMT
#471
Man, they don't stop!
In addition to those two teams, they got a Free Fire and a "Battle Ground Mobile India"(?) team.

Now, if at least NGX.Sea would ply like that...
There can only be one Geisterkarle
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
December 07 2021 16:37 GMT
#472
Well, I mean, they did have an okay game against Tundra today. It didn't surprise me that Nigma farmed all game just for iltw, RMN, and MC to collectively do nothing though, that's just who they are as players.
Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
December 08 2021 08:14 GMT
#473
0:4 after two series, no more slip-ups allowed while still playing against Secret, Liquid and OG. As usual after TI, looks like the first Major will take place without Nigma.

Relegating one of the best playmakers in GH to play a goddamn weaver with the sole purpose of trying to save one of your usually out of position cores is just heartbreaking. Just like as if you put Cr1t on a WinterWyvern...that simply does not feel right.
Nobody knows in which form Miracle will be returning, but if MC and Iltw keep on playing like this the amount of heavylifting he and the supporting squad have to do is beyond imagination.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44304 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-13 14:14:16
December 13 2021 14:13 GMT
#474
OG looking nice vs Navi on OGAdotapit. They only lost to liquid so far who hasn't lost a series yet and also looking good

Nigma is in a dangerous place. They will get miracle on the 14th i believe but they need to like crush else they won't make it another major
this is a quote
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
December 13 2021 20:27 GMT
#475
Okay series for them today. Two honestly bad games even if they won one of them, but the last game of the series looked fairly clean from them.
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
December 14 2021 09:10 GMT
#476
I'm not impressed by Alliance for now, so I can't take the win that highly... But we could feel the "Miracle-factor"! Espacially in game one! I hope we see his Invoker soon!
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Rufus Dupres
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-12-14 11:02:33
December 14 2021 11:01 GMT
#477
The victory in game 1 was served by Alliance on a silver plate. Somehow this team has the ability to throw against Nigma in a very hard way...flashbacks to the Arc Warden game one year ago. Iltw with a lot of questionable deaths(like that one in the radiant triangle), MC with a very questionable itemization(Radiance over Aghs or AC), but luckily Miracle and the supporting duo of GH and Kuro kept them in the game.

Game 2...okay...apparently they had to tell MC after that game that you can cancel a charge with Spirit Breaker. Oof, that was very hard to watch.

Game 3 was definitely an improvement and Iltw showcasing that even if AM is out of Meta, he can make it work with the right setup.

But yes, Alliance is for sure not a top contender right now. Let´s see how they will play against OG today...a must-win series for Nigma for possibly making it to the Major. OG did look good so far and I am really impressed how they are able to find farm for all their cores.
"The map is black, but I see everything" - Kuro - MegaFon 2018
RufusDupres
Profile Joined April 2021
13 Posts
December 14 2021 19:24 GMT
#478
Well, after Saturday when they have lost against Secret 0:2, they can stop their bootcamp and enjoy their well deserved Christmas vacation. Even staying in Division I will be challenging. Holy shit what a bad showing...total disappoinment. MC is a liability and I have been defending him for such a long time, but with every further series, I feel like he is not getting in shape again. Iltw decision making is awful and when Miracle is not having a godlike day and outplaying everybody, they are not able to win any series at the moment.

That interview before the series from GH was way to telling, we are not having any expectations and we have lowered them down to zero. With such mindset, they will never achieve anything again. Are they not watching any other sports? Brady? LeBron James? Ronaldo? Djokovic? They stayed at the top because they were hungry for success even when they have won everything. Are they actually only playing to not lose their slot at Division I?
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 14 2021 22:12 GMT
#479
On December 15 2021 04:24 RufusDupres wrote:
Well, after Saturday when they have lost against Secret 0:2, they can stop their bootcamp and enjoy their well deserved Christmas vacation. Even staying in Division I will be challenging. Holy shit what a bad showing...total disappoinment. MC is a liability and I have been defending him for such a long time, but with every further series, I feel like he is not getting in shape again. Iltw decision making is awful and when Miracle is not having a godlike day and outplaying everybody, they are not able to win any series at the moment.

That interview before the series from GH was way to telling, we are not having any expectations and we have lowered them down to zero. With such mindset, they will never achieve anything again. Are they not watching any other sports? Brady? LeBron James? Ronaldo? Djokovic? They stayed at the top because they were hungry for success even when they have won everything. Are they actually only playing to not lose their slot at Division I?

I also have 0 expectations from Nigma, best you can say is that they are trying to build their brand rather than focus on dota...

Still best team in mena region
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
December 15 2021 00:00 GMT
#480
Luckily for me, I no longer find Nigma to be a team worth putting off anything in my life just to watch their "games".

What I will say in the nicest ways I could possibly say, Nigma's main issue has been apparent for a very long time already. Hell, Kuro's issue has been apparent for a very long time. I'm talking years of the same issue repeated over and over since their TI7 victory.

Kuro is someone who I would 100% describe as a... person who lacks courage. That's as nice as I could ever put it. Nigma's rosters are stable to a fault because Kuro will do anything in the world to avoid having to cut any player even including players like iltw who join post-TI7. MC should've been gone after TI9. w33 should've been gone when they first failed to qualify for a major and that was also a moment that MC should've been gone if he weren't gone after TI9. Again, MC should've also been removed from the roster after the first DPC league last season and his failure to turn up to the major. I know COVID is awful but MC was horrendous (consistently below the enemy supports in networth) during the first league anyways. Iltw and MC should've also been removed from the roster after their godawful performance in the TI qualifiers which they had to play because they were so awful before. Rosters far more successful than Nigma ever has been have shuffled yet here these guys are together to ruin the day of everyone who still roots for them, it's pathetic. Someone at Nigma needs to give Kuro a wake up call because apparently failing to qualify for TI wasn't enough for him.

What I will say though is that Kuro personally has transformed a lot in the years that I followed him and not at all in the good ways. Just watching his interviews from way back and the interviews now, it's barely even the same person. I don't want to personally attack him because clearly, I am a huge fan, but this is his team and his organization. His team spiraling into this mess feels like a result of Kuro as a person spiraling downwards and dragging his team along with it. I don't feel like he's a bad in game captain nor do I think he's an awful drafter, there's no way anybody as successful as he was for that long just drops off skill wise. He's the best of the best when it comes to Dota itself but his decisions outside of the game are what has become his downfall. He's starting to feel a lot like PPD for me who was another captain that I believed would never drop off when it comes to the Dota aspect of the game but everything outside of the game was lacking so he became obsolete. Kuro needs to stop treating Nigma like a found family or something, he needs to make real friends outside of Dota, and he needs to keep things professional with Nigma's Dota roster. Clearly, Kuro is able to gain the loyalty of the rest of Nigma for people to stay with him for so long, but enough is enough. When it's time to refresh the roster, the roster should be refreshed instead of being stubbornly stable for no reason. No team in Dota stays together with Nigma's results, none of them.
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