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On June 10 2016 00:19 hariooo wrote:
Lol NOTAIL and fly should be thankful as hell for miracle. They wouldn't win without him.
Meanwhile miracle probably carries elevates any current t2 team to major winning level
Secret is pretty much testament to that you can bring a higher skilled player into a team and everyone does worse
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On June 10 2016 01:26 Aldehyde wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 01:19 Racket wrote:On June 10 2016 01:10 Pacifist wrote:
Not saying this is what Racket is arguing exactly, but the general argument that OG is only doing well because of the patch loses steam when it's used for 2/3 of the past majors. I am just saying lets praise the five as they all function extremely well together. I have not seen a lot of games where every OG member dies stupidly and Miracle saves the day. I have seen him carry, pull his weight, do his job, etc, but him singlehandedly carrying the other four/two while they only did mistakes is out of the question, never/almost never happened. The patch mention was only because as OG won the Major Miracle became the best player in the world even if he was just a rising star two days before, weeks later the new patch came out and OG began to lose relevance, they didn't play as well as before and, oh lucky coincidence, every hero Miracle was a god on fell out of the meta, but of course the weak link was n0tail. Now we get a new patch and OG begins to gain relevance and demonstrate they are A TEAM and once again Miracle is the god and everyone else is just a shadow waiting to become the weak link. What can you expect when most people think they themselves can only carry a game and you are the one losing it, just the same, the carry is the only carrying and the other are the ones to blame. Yeah, people put too much emphasis on end-of-game stats and who gets the kills/farm. Of course they will look the best, because their numbers are the highest. Quite frustrating.
Sadly, no matter how hard we may try, the world will stay the same.
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Hopefully OG don't win against Newbee I'm WB finals then gets figured out in the Grand Finals. Like in Epicenter, losing against Newbee when it actually matters. It would be really interesting if they were to meet 3 times in a huge tournament like this though.... Let's go OG!
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9k player contributes alot for sure but flys drafting and crits support play combined with miracles carry is what makes og a strong team. as much i liked notail (hon boys woooooo) him and moon are by far the weakest link.
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On June 10 2016 02:36 HighTimeDotA wrote:
9k player contributes alot for sure but flys drafting and crits support play combined with miracles carry is what makes og a strong team. as much i liked notail (hon boys woooooo) him and moon are by far the weakest link.
I can agree that Moon and Notail don't give AS much as the other three at the moment. I can not, however, agree with saying that they are "by far" the weakest links.
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On June 10 2016 02:36 HighTimeDotA wrote:
9k player contributes alot for sure but flys drafting and crits support play combined with miracles carry is what makes og a strong team. as much i liked notail (hon boys woooooo) him and moon are by far the weakest link.
There isnt any weak link by far , they are a great team playing great dota , this mindset of weaklinks is what made EG and secret Implode like they did
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On June 10 2016 02:36 HighTimeDotA wrote:
9k player contributes alot for sure but flys drafting and crits support play combined with miracles carry is what makes og a strong team. as much i liked notail (hon boys woooooo) him and moon are by far the weakest link.
Right now they synergize with Miracle and complement each ther as good or even better than Suma1l, Fear and Universe did. Many would argue bringing a better player in for n0tail should be an improvement, I think it would just disrupt their teamwork.
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I seem to recall someone putting together some stats showing that N0tail had the highest impact stats relative to farm of any carry (maybe it was any player). If I'm remembering that correctly, then that sort of play style would probably compliment Miracle.
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I don't see anyone apart from Newbee and Liquid standing a chance against OG right now.
Really impressive stuff from them!
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On June 10 2016 05:38 Evander Berry Wall wrote:
I seem to recall someone putting together some stats showing that N0tail had the highest impact stats relative to farm of any carry (maybe it was any player). If I'm remembering that correctly, then that sort of play style would probably compliment Miracle.
I think I remember a stat like this from when n0tail was playing support on Secret for a few months. Idk if you are talking about something more recent
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On June 10 2016 04:09 Racket wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 02:36 HighTimeDotA wrote:
9k player contributes alot for sure but flys drafting and crits support play combined with miracles carry is what makes og a strong team. as much i liked notail (hon boys woooooo) him and moon are by far the weakest link. Right now they synergize with Miracle and complement each ther as good or even better than Suma1l, Fear and Universe did. Many would argue bringing a better player in for n0tail should be an improvement, I think it would just disrupt their teamwork.
i didnt say they should be replaced... why do fans always take things so personally. they are still good players just the weakest on the team. is that hard to accept?
i was simply complimenting flys drafting and crits support play. we've seen notail play wisp on c9 and crits wisp way better and it is stupidly important for a pro team to have a good wisp player as it gives them a drafting advantage. just like how ppd and fear cant wisp therefore eg never plays it.
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On June 10 2016 10:29 HighTimeDotA wrote:
we've seen notail play wisp on c9 and crits wisp way better and it is stupidly important for a pro team to have a good wisp player as it gives them a drafting advantage. just like how ppd and fear cant wisp therefore eg never plays it.
Funny though, n0tail was almost universally recognized as the best wisp player in the world.
But of course, you're just here "complimenting", right.
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On June 10 2016 12:26 haxhax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 10:29 HighTimeDotA wrote:
we've seen notail play wisp on c9 and crits wisp way better and it is stupidly important for a pro team to have a good wisp player as it gives them a drafting advantage. just like how ppd and fear cant wisp therefore eg never plays it. Funny though, n0tail was almost universally recognized as the best wisp player in the world. But of course, you're just here "complimenting", right.
notail may have had a fantastic wisp history but he didn't show it on c9, that's for sure
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On June 10 2016 10:29 HighTimeDotA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 04:09 Racket wrote:On June 10 2016 02:36 HighTimeDotA wrote:
9k player contributes alot for sure but flys drafting and crits support play combined with miracles carry is what makes og a strong team. as much i liked notail (hon boys woooooo) him and moon are by far the weakest link. Right now they synergize with Miracle and complement each ther as good or even better than Suma1l, Fear and Universe did. Many would argue bringing a better player in for n0tail should be an improvement, I think it would just disrupt their teamwork. i didnt say they should be replaced... why do fans always take things so personally. they are still good players just the weakest on the team. is that hard to accept? i was simply complimenting flys drafting and crits support play. we've seen notail play wisp on c9 and crits wisp way better and it is stupidly important for a pro team to have a good wisp player as it gives them a drafting advantage. just like how ppd and fear cant wisp therefore eg never plays it.
Don't take it personally, I tend to do generalizations in my comments and not everyone get them, as long as I don't say "you xyz" you can take it as one.
The "replace" thing has nothing to do with you, but it is often argued that the weakest link has to be replaced, at least in many TL threads and I think replacing any of the two would disrupt what they have going so well.
On June 10 2016 12:55 Exoteric wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 12:26 haxhax wrote:On June 10 2016 10:29 HighTimeDotA wrote:
we've seen notail play wisp on c9 and crits wisp way better and it is stupidly important for a pro team to have a good wisp player as it gives them a drafting advantage. just like how ppd and fear cant wisp therefore eg never plays it. Funny though, n0tail was almost universally recognized as the best wisp player in the world. But of course, you're just here "complimenting", right. notail may have had a fantastic wisp history but he didn't show it on c9, that's for sure
Heheheh, that moment when an allied hero plays like shit but when it is on the other team he just carries no matter what.
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On June 10 2016 12:26 haxhax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 10:29 HighTimeDotA wrote:
we've seen notail play wisp on c9 and crits wisp way better and it is stupidly important for a pro team to have a good wisp player as it gives them a drafting advantage. just like how ppd and fear cant wisp therefore eg never plays it. Funny though, n0tail was almost universally recognized as the best wisp player in the world. But of course, you're just here "complimenting", right.
lmao. clearly another fanboy who doesnt actually watch dota. i liked watching notail play cuz hes one of those agro player nomatter on what role but saying hes the best wisp is just crazy talk. and i been watching hanni + co (aka fly notail trixi freshpro) since the hon days.
ive never really seen crit play before he joined og since hes been out of the scene for awhile but his support/wisp play is top tier for sure. him and zai are the two western wisp whos plays actually amazes me. but what do i know im just an old man who pwned many noobs who are currently "pros" 5 years ago.
i give compliments where its due. from what ive seen from moon and notail recently their plays are pretty average. but their team chemistry is good since fly notail and moon as all played together in hon so theres no reason to replace anyone.
maybe you see me having a secret flair and an rtz quote so you think im here to talk shit about og but i flame secret/rtz when they do dumb shit all the time like rtz buying a fucking skadi euls blink vs a goddamn antimage and throwing a won game or s4 losing mid every goddamn game in ti5 and cost secret TI even though rtz and zai played to their best potential in most games. and that whole kky drama who the hell leaves their luna carry in lane by himself and wonder into the jungle and completely lose them the game with that one move and argues with rtz afterwards. if you did stupid shit just admit it like man move on.
just fyi ive played with many pros in my early days and i flame ppl like fear and demon when they do stupid shit and i get flamed when i do dumb shit. its part of the game, if you make a mistake and get flamed for it there no reason to argue back and talk shit just move on and keep trying to do your best and win the game. this is why i dont play solo q cuz so many egotistic kids who cant accept the fact they made a mistake and just tilts or flames his other teammates for not buying ward/../.... maybe im like this because i played organized sports (soccer basketball) until i had temporary health issue and had to give it up so i moved on to competitive gaming. doesnt matter if its real sports or esport, you only win when you play as a team and take can accept constructive critism which many egamers dont understand because theyve never played a real life sport.
/end rant
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You didn't just come here to compliment certain members of the the team, as you claimed. You came here to diminish not only current but also past efforts, grossly misrepresenting the facts of the matter. Could've fooled me if you didn't do both at once.
But sure buddy, if that's what you needed to hear yourself say.
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On June 11 2016 09:03 haxhax wrote:
You didn't just come here to compliment certain members of the the team, as you claimed. You came here to diminish not only current but also past efforts, grossly misrepresenting the facts of the matter. Could've fooled me if you didn't do both at once.
But sure buddy, if that's what you needed to hear yourself say.
lol, playing piano to a cow.
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Well played guys! Keep it up, win tomorrow and party hard!
On June 11 2016 03:02 HighTimeDotA wrote:
ive never really seen crit play before he joined og since hes been out of the scene for awhile but his support/wisp play is top tier for sure. him and zai are the two western wisp whos plays actually amazes me. but what do i know im just an old man who pwned many noobs who are currently "pros" 5 years ago.
Who did you own and who are you really? I want to know now.
Question aside, n0tail was indeed one of the best wisp players back in the day when he used to play it. You can say Cr1t is better or whatever but denying n0tail was one of the best is kinda ignorant.
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notail was an above average wisp but the only godlike western wisp was a swede blonde. compare those twos replay and you can clearly whos better.
notail was also a godlike soul stealer but this is a different era, have u seen his sf these days. dont have to defend people whom youve never played with or even talked to when they werent even being flamed.
you guys are so thinskinned, apparently calling someone you are a fan of "the weakest link" is now an insult and flame. every single team has a weakest link.
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On June 11 2016 23:04 HighTimeDotA wrote:
notail was an above average wisp but the only godlike western wisp was a swede blonde. compare those twos replay and you can clearly whos better.
notail was also a godlike soul stealer but this is a different era, have u seen his sf these days. dont have to defend people whom youve never played with or even talked to when they werent even being flamed.
you guys are so thinskinned, apparently calling someone you are a fan of "the weakest link" is now an insult and flame. every single team has a weakest link.
You are having a rough time being a Secret fan. Hope it gets better for you and your brothers.
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Back to OG, I hope for an OG - Liquid finals, it will be great!
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