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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 09 2016 12:07 GMT
#261
On June 09 2016 20:57 Atoissen wrote:
With Miracle being 45 - 0 in the playoffs... Can we now just start to call him God? :-D
What a player, and what a team... OG is on fire atm.


Think you're the only one not calling him that yet.
BigO
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden956 Posts
June 09 2016 12:21 GMT
#262
Ye at this moment Miracle is clearly a level above everyone else, he's good at pretty much everything and really versatile when it comes to heroes he can play and playstyles.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 09 2016 13:10 GMT
#263
On June 09 2016 21:07 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 20:57 Atoissen wrote:
With Miracle being 45 - 0 in the playoffs... Can we now just start to call him God? :-D
What a player, and what a team... OG is on fire atm.


Think you're the only one not calling him that yet.

I still don't call him a god either.
The problem with that is he will never be guilty even if his level drops and the shitstorm with always be above anyone else, like it already happened with n0tail.

He plays at a great level and that is only because the other four allow him to do so. This is what you call A TEAM, if any of those four would be a weak link, he wouldn't have the chance to perform like he does.

Great performance guys! Keep it up and be the first to have two Majors.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 09 2016 13:20 GMT
#264
On June 09 2016 22:10 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 21:07 DucK- wrote:
On June 09 2016 20:57 Atoissen wrote:
With Miracle being 45 - 0 in the playoffs... Can we now just start to call him God? :-D
What a player, and what a team... OG is on fire atm.


Think you're the only one not calling him that yet.

I still don't call him a god either.
The problem with that is he will never be guilty even if his level drops and the shitstorm with always be above anyone else, like it already happened with n0tail.

He plays at a great level and that is only because the other four allow him to do so. This is what you call A TEAM, if any of those four would be a weak link, he wouldn't have the chance to perform like he does.

Great performance guys! Keep it up and be the first to have two Majors.


His team creates him the space, but I think he makes his own as well. The decision makings are on another level.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 09 2016 13:42 GMT
#265
On June 09 2016 22:20 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 22:10 Racket wrote:
On June 09 2016 21:07 DucK- wrote:
On June 09 2016 20:57 Atoissen wrote:
With Miracle being 45 - 0 in the playoffs... Can we now just start to call him God? :-D
What a player, and what a team... OG is on fire atm.


Think you're the only one not calling him that yet.

I still don't call him a god either.
The problem with that is he will never be guilty even if his level drops and the shitstorm with always be above anyone else, like it already happened with n0tail.

He plays at a great level and that is only because the other four allow him to do so. This is what you call A TEAM, if any of those four would be a weak link, he wouldn't have the chance to perform like he does.

Great performance guys! Keep it up and be the first to have two Majors.


His team creates him the space, but I think he makes his own as well. The decision makings are on another level.

Yea, I am not taking credit away from him, I am just giving no extra. I believe many decisions are team-based even if they are executed by only one person (not talking about one man outplays here).
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
June 09 2016 13:48 GMT
#266
On June 09 2016 22:10 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 21:07 DucK- wrote:
On June 09 2016 20:57 Atoissen wrote:
With Miracle being 45 - 0 in the playoffs... Can we now just start to call him God? :-D
What a player, and what a team... OG is on fire atm.


Think you're the only one not calling him that yet.

...
He plays at a great level and that is only because the other four allow him to do so.
,,,

I dont know if that's true, I mean, he has over 9k solo queue mmr points after all. It seems to me that Miracle is perfectly able to play at a great level all by himself
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 09 2016 14:51 GMT
#267
On June 09 2016 22:48 wims80 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 22:10 Racket wrote:
On June 09 2016 21:07 DucK- wrote:
On June 09 2016 20:57 Atoissen wrote:
With Miracle being 45 - 0 in the playoffs... Can we now just start to call him God? :-D
What a player, and what a team... OG is on fire atm.


Think you're the only one not calling him that yet.

...
He plays at a great level and that is only because the other four allow him to do so.
,,,

I dont know if that's true, I mean, he has over 9k solo queue mmr points after all. It seems to me that Miracle is perfectly able to play at a great level all by himself

9000k is a number based on his individual ability and his spamming of specific heroes. He was 8000k and Illidan was also 8000k and Illidan wasn't a god at that time.

He can put his 9000k into motion thanks to his four teammates, before this patch came out Miracle was just another 8500k+ player out there (because a lot of players did catch up) and OG was losing to the likes of NaVi.

Picture it like this: Miracle is Seiya and the other four are Shiryu, Hyoga, Ikki and Shun, they give him their Cosmos so he can pierce the bad guys with his arrows. Many times he takes down people on his own but without his comrades he wouldn't shine as he does.
pellejohnson
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1931 Posts
June 09 2016 14:52 GMT
#268
I think everyone on OG does a great job but there is little doubt to the claim that Mircale is probably the best dota 2 player right now when it comes to both mechanics but also game sense, it's a treat to watch him play most of the time and I can't help but keep thinking how hard I would rage if I would have him on my opposing team.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 09 2016 15:00 GMT
#269
On June 09 2016 23:52 pellejohnson wrote:
I think everyone on OG does a great job but there is little doubt to the claim that Mircale is probably the best dota 2 player right now when it comes to both mechanics but also game sense, it's a treat to watch him play most of the time and I can't help but keep thinking how hard I would rage if I would have him on my opposing team.

Or DDOS him if possible
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
June 09 2016 15:19 GMT
#270
Lol NOTAIL and fly should be thankful as hell for miracle. They wouldn't win without him.

Meanwhile miracle probably carries elevates any current t2 team to major winning level
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 09 2016 15:28 GMT
#271
On June 10 2016 00:19 hariooo wrote:
Lol NOTAIL and fly should be thankful as hell for miracle. They wouldn't win without him.

Meanwhile miracle probably carries elevates any current t2 team to major winning level

That is what I am talking about! Just right here, this comment is the root of my comments.
haxhax
Profile Joined January 2015
125 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-09 15:40:58
June 09 2016 15:40 GMT
#272
On June 09 2016 23:51 Racket wrote:

He can put his 9000k into motion thanks to his four teammates, before this patch came out Miracle was just another 8500k+ player out there (because a lot of players did catch up) and OG was losing to the likes of NaVi.


OG didn't exist before Miracle joined. He was a founding member.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 09 2016 15:49 GMT
#273
On June 10 2016 00:40 haxhax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 23:51 Racket wrote:

He can put his 9000k into motion thanks to his four teammates, before this patch came out Miracle was just another 8500k+ player out there (because a lot of players did catch up) and OG was losing to the likes of NaVi.


OG didn't exist before Miracle joined. He was a founding member.

?

Explain yourself.
Aldehyde
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden939 Posts
June 09 2016 15:49 GMT
#274
On June 10 2016 00:19 hariooo wrote:
Lol NOTAIL and fly should be thankful as hell for miracle. They wouldn't win without him.

Meanwhile miracle probably carries elevates any current t2 team to major winning level


Notail and Fly have been relevant players in the scene for ages on different positions and teams. Miracle has been on the competitive scene for less than a year.

He's on fire right now but Fly and Notail won games before he was even a thing.

On June 10 2016 00:40 haxhax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 23:51 Racket wrote:

He can put his 9000k into motion thanks to his four teammates, before this patch came out Miracle was just another 8500k+ player out there (because a lot of players did catch up) and OG was losing to the likes of NaVi.


OG didn't exist before Miracle joined. He was a founding member.


He didn't imply anything different. He said that OG was losing games to lesser teams before the latest patch. Games where this unstoppable Miracle wasn't able to carry the supposed lame ducks that is the rest of the team.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
June 09 2016 16:08 GMT
#275
Miracle is fantastic but you can't get anywhere alone. In quite a few of OG's games Miracle doesn't even need to do much because the other 4 are doing the heavy lifting while Miracle just farms with no pressure on himself. Though definitely Miracle has had a bunch of games in his time in OG where he turns a close game in OG's favor, and I have a hard time remembering a game where Miracle has been a big factor in his team losing the game with his plays. I'm sure it has happened at some point but anyway point being that it isn't all that common.
Pacifist
Profile Joined October 2003
Israel1683 Posts
June 09 2016 16:10 GMT
#276
Not saying this is what Racket is arguing exactly, but the general argument that OG is only doing well because of the patch loses steam when it's used for 2/3 of the past majors.
Riding a bike is overrated.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 09 2016 16:10 GMT
#277
On June 10 2016 01:08 spudde123 wrote:
Miracle is fantastic but you can't get anywhere alone. In quite a few of OG's games Miracle doesn't even need to do much because the other 4 are doing the heavy lifting while Miracle just farms with no pressure on himself. Though definitely Miracle has had a bunch of games in his time in OG where he turns a close game in OG's favor, and I have a hard time remembering a game where Miracle has been a big factor in his team losing the game with his plays. I'm sure it has happened at some point but anyway point being that it isn't all that common.

I am really impressed with Cr1t
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 09 2016 16:19 GMT
#278
On June 10 2016 01:10 Pacifist wrote:
Not saying this is what Racket is arguing exactly, but the general argument that OG is only doing well because of the patch loses steam when it's used for 2/3 of the past majors.

I am just saying lets praise the five as they all function extremely well together. I have not seen a lot of games where every OG member dies stupidly and Miracle saves the day.

I have seen him carry, pull his weight, do his job, etc, but him singlehandedly carrying the other four/two while they only did mistakes is out of the question, never/almost never happened.

The patch mention was only because as OG won the Major Miracle became the best player in the world even if he was just a rising star two days before, weeks later the new patch came out and OG began to lose relevance, they didn't play as well as before and, oh lucky coincidence, every hero Miracle was a god on fell out of the meta, but of course the weak link was n0tail.
Now we get a new patch and OG begins to gain relevance and demonstrate they are A TEAM and once again Miracle is the god and everyone else is just a shadow waiting to become the weak link.

What can you expect when most people think they themselves can only carry a game and you are the one losing it, just the same, the carry is the only carrying and the other are the ones to blame.
TosHReloadeD
Profile Joined June 2016
Peru32 Posts
June 09 2016 16:20 GMT
#279
On June 09 2016 23:52 pellejohnson wrote:
I think everyone on OG does a great job but there is little doubt to the claim that Mircale is probably the best dota 2 player right now when it comes to both mechanics but also game sense, it's a treat to watch him play most of the time and I can't help but keep thinking how hard I would rage if I would have him on my opposing team.


Have you seen Maybe from LGD? Hes probably on par with Miracle or more, just look at the stats. Higest kill avg, highest gpm avg, highest cs avg.
Aldehyde
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden939 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-09 16:27:00
June 09 2016 16:26 GMT
#280
On June 10 2016 01:19 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 01:10 Pacifist wrote:
Not saying this is what Racket is arguing exactly, but the general argument that OG is only doing well because of the patch loses steam when it's used for 2/3 of the past majors.

I am just saying lets praise the five as they all function extremely well together. I have not seen a lot of games where every OG member dies stupidly and Miracle saves the day.

I have seen him carry, pull his weight, do his job, etc, but him singlehandedly carrying the other four/two while they only did mistakes is out of the question, never/almost never happened.

The patch mention was only because as OG won the Major Miracle became the best player in the world even if he was just a rising star two days before, weeks later the new patch came out and OG began to lose relevance, they didn't play as well as before and, oh lucky coincidence, every hero Miracle was a god on fell out of the meta, but of course the weak link was n0tail.
Now we get a new patch and OG begins to gain relevance and demonstrate they are A TEAM and once again Miracle is the god and everyone else is just a shadow waiting to become the weak link.

What can you expect when most people think they themselves can only carry a game and you are the one losing it, just the same, the carry is the only carrying and the other are the ones to blame.


Yeah, people put too much emphasis on end-of-game stats and who gets the kills/farm. Of course they will look the best, because their numbers are the highest. Quite frustrating.
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