On March 05 2016 05:16 hariooo wrote:
if some team with the resources doesn't try to snipe miracle they are goddamn stupid.

his team should be winning fucking everything.

Sunsfan.Miracle

Souldivnr

Cuba127 Posts

March 04 2016 21:22 GMT

#242

I used to like this team but then they start to undervalue other teams for no reason. I'm glad they are gone now.

zev318

Canada4306 Posts

March 04 2016 21:51 GMT

#243

On March 05 2016 05:16 hariooo wrote:
if some team with the resources doesn't try to snipe miracle they are goddamn stupid.

his team should be winning fucking everything.

but would he be stupid enough to join those teams? nobody in the top 6 is gonna change up their rosters and he wouldnt join anything lower.

TomatoBisque

United States6290 Posts

March 04 2016 22:04 GMT

#244

Eh, it depends. If EG get eliminated by coL we may see a roster change, for example.

A new team is also possible. Plus, zai wants to play at TI6 so it's likely he will join a team now which could ignite a shuffle

And we know nothing about the internal state of teams. We could have another Aui kick on our hands

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

March 05 2016 00:25 GMT

#245

Since the start of og/monkey, has notail ever got a solo kill in mid lane? I have yet to see him make plays as a core. Often he is just a piece of the puzzle, but his weakness is kinda showing when he is forced to play carry mid without much help from his supports.

hunter_x

Germany2762 Posts

March 05 2016 00:34 GMT

#246

he reminds me of kuro a little bit. when secret was formed, he wanted to play carry, and was decent at it. but in my opinion he is just a better support player (yeah i know kuro was a beast as a carry in dota 1).

Super_Style

296 Posts

March 05 2016 03:33 GMT

#247

On March 05 2016 06:51 zev318 wrote:

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but would he be stupid enough to join those teams? nobody in the top 6 is gonna change up their rosters and he wouldnt join anything lower.

Its not unrealistic for Secret to kick EE for Miracle...

Super_Style

296 Posts

March 05 2016 03:39 GMT

#248

On March 05 2016 09:25 DucK- wrote:
Since the start of og/monkey, has notail ever got a solo kill in mid lane? I have yet to see him make plays as a core. Often he is just a piece of the puzzle, but his weakness is kinda showing when he is forced to play carry mid without much help from his supports.

Well prior to 6.86 he played more safelane then mid lane due to them having Miracle on mid SF, Alchemist and such. Still underwhelming, but OG's downfall didnt come because of Notail, he always sucked. It came because of moon and crits abysmal plays, just compare their frankfurt performance to shanghai, its... you cant compare it, they went from best playmakers out there to just feeders, especially moon.

VvvV1251

Algeria142 Posts

March 05 2016 04:48 GMT

#249

Og problem this major was their draft, if you pick an AM you need heroes that create space for him, but both zeus and pugna were too scared to leave their towers due Ohayo's nyx roaming around, at some point they killed Am twice in row (killed once, respawn, death again).

Also, Fnatic played really good.

TomatoBisque

United States6290 Posts

March 05 2016 06:44 GMT

#250

I saw some stats that showed that of all 2nd positions at shanghai, n0tail has the second lowest GPM of the tourney (lowest being Archon's). On the other hand, Miracle- is the highest of all 1 positions. I'm not sure how much of this is a conscious decision by the team and how much of it is just n0tail being inefficient but it makes them too vulnerable

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

March 05 2016 06:53 GMT

#251

I was a little surprised that og didn't do their invoker drow strategy this tournament. Think they got lured into following the od meta.

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

May 22 2016 17:41 GMT

#252

Man I have never ever seen a player that single handily carries his team for majority of their games. S4 2013 was close, but bulldog was an important piece of the puzzle as well. OG is really built as miracle + 4.

hunter_x

Germany2762 Posts

May 22 2016 17:44 GMT

#253

Which is a fucking weakness. If miracle has a bad game, og cant really win. They should learn to play more flexible, other players should be able to Carry too. I dont dislike og, but this style of 4 protect 1 is outdated.

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

May 22 2016 17:46 GMT

#254

On May 23 2016 02:44 hunter_x wrote:
Which is a fucking weakness. If miracle has a bad game, og cant really win. They should learn to play more flexible, other players should be able to Carry too.

Wouldn't disagree, but og generally do very well to protect miracle.

nanaoei

3358 Posts

May 22 2016 18:28 GMT

#255

if it's outdated, how are they winning consistently?

wp at dreamleague. i thought notail played very well in the void game.

Talin

Montenegro10532 Posts

May 22 2016 18:57 GMT

#256

Fuck yeah OG, a win long overdue

bluzi

4703 Posts

May 22 2016 19:09 GMT

#257

Usually if the player you give the easiest lanes , protection of the supports , the wards and the space to farm up to late game have a bad game , then yes you will lose.
He is a great player no doubt , but the team enables him , they sacrafice everything to let him do well , 4p1 is not outdated , and they dont run it as you think , they have dual cores almost always , but he gets the easiest time out of the 2 cores.