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shouldbeworking
Profile Joined October 2014
946 Posts
November 23 2015 08:30 GMT
#181
Save strats and then notice that it gets run overed by some other strat later on in playoffs.

Now for teams to be successful you need a minimum of 2 proven strats.

Then you need a strong Tony combo,a Meepo player, both QW and WE Invoker, at least 2 Tusk players, and a really good Dazzle.

Funny thing is that's OG. GGWP Puppey just couldn't outdraft them with his first pick Slardar.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-23 09:19:33
November 23 2015 09:13 GMT
#182
For Secret playing more tournaments than they did isn't really viable. They spent the entire October traveling to 3 different LANs. The downside of being invited to tournaments is that you don't get to play any online games to acquire experience as a team. But you can only play so many tournaments if you qualify / get invited into the LAN finals. You simply don't have time to play the qualifiers or you put yourself into a spot where you are playing games straight from the plane almost with no days to rest. EG played even less due to them skipping NYC.

OG on the other hand didn't play ESL quals because I believe Fly was still on vacation then or something. They didn't qualify for Nanyang or WCA, so obviously their schedule was freed up for October apart from MLG, and they also knew that they were not going to China in December, so it was easier for them to sign up for tournaments that have LANs soon like DL or Defense.
elagrion
Profile Joined April 2010
Ukraine422 Posts
November 24 2015 17:32 GMT
#183
On November 22 2015 22:52 caiovigg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2015 17:29 Racket wrote:
On November 22 2015 07:50 caiovigg wrote:
On November 22 2015 04:44 Racket wrote:
On November 22 2015 04:26 nothingmuch wrote:
How can this be "Miracles patch" when he has such a ridiculously large hero pool (hi mid Rubick) and effortlessly switches styles? They had an incredible performance against incredible odds and beyond anyones expectations- and at best now those expectations rise, but is anyone "disappointed" by Team Secret or EG even though everyone counted them as the favorites? All this shows is that the top teams are really close together and OG is one of them. No need to preventively naysay.

Well, you have Dendi as the perfect example of that, his hero pool is not small at all (hi mid Rubick) and you can see him over the past year how hard it was on him, he actually never recovered, but again, Miracle may adapt when Dendi couldn't.


Dendi is not even close to being the perfect exemple. Dendi likes/is somewhat good on playmaking heroes, like puck, rubick, etc. You never saw him play position 1 and if you ever see, you'll realize he is bad doing it. I remember a recent game he was playing PL(still position 2) and he won mid. Mid game he was just fucking lost. He kept running around the map without doing shit and eventually he was far behind the others team mid/carry

Meanwhile, miracle already proven he can play both playmaking mids (rubick mid) and position 1 (hi miracle AM carrying the team in the first matches because notail was fucking shit)

Dude, in the sense that he was left out of the game because of several patch changes, do you even read?

The comparison is not between positions but standing out as a player and then falling off... Please give your post some more thought.


Dendi was left out of the game because he can't farm efficiently like the other mid players of this meta can. When the mid meta was to run around the map making plays he was good. Miracle already shown he can do both of this things.

And you just assume, that meta will stay within borders of 2 those things? I'm quite sure meta could move in another direction.
Everything is a remix.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
November 24 2015 23:05 GMT
#184
lol that askfm honesty by cr1t into deletion because secret fans will start witchhunting him
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
November 25 2015 00:57 GMT
#185
the righteous indignation from secret fans on reddit was pretty amazing

how DARE he belittle our team
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 25 2015 02:41 GMT
#186
On November 25 2015 09:57 Orome wrote:
the righteous indignation from secret fans on reddit was pretty amazing

how DARE he belittle our team

Yeah, I couldn't stop laughing. It was honestly unintentional satire or something - "How dare he say that secret is worse than OG, secret only lost a bo5 to them, not like FIVE bo5s that you need to really be sure"
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11446 Posts
November 25 2015 05:08 GMT
#187
On November 25 2015 08:05 rabidch wrote:
lol that askfm honesty by cr1t into deletion because secret fans will start witchhunting him


Care to elaborate? I like drama.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
November 25 2015 05:34 GMT
#188
On November 25 2015 14:08 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2015 08:05 rabidch wrote:
lol that askfm honesty by cr1t into deletion because secret fans will start witchhunting him


Care to elaborate? I like drama.

I think there's a reddit thread that's probably upvoted to the sky by now. Basically he thought EHOME and EG were the better teams, and them plus OG were the top 3 of the tournament.

Don't really see the drama behind it. They almost lost to both those teams, whereas the Secret matches probably felt more one-sided to him.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11446 Posts
November 25 2015 05:54 GMT
#189
On November 25 2015 14:34 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2015 14:08 DucK- wrote:
On November 25 2015 08:05 rabidch wrote:
lol that askfm honesty by cr1t into deletion because secret fans will start witchhunting him


Care to elaborate? I like drama.

I think there's a reddit thread that's probably upvoted to the sky by now. Basically he thought EHOME and EG were the better teams, and them plus OG were the top 3 of the tournament.

Don't really see the drama behind it. They almost lost to both those teams, whereas the Secret matches probably felt more one-sided to him.


Icic. See nothing wrong with his opinions. Ah Cr1t my boy. Real happy to see him successful. Supported him since danish mouz days. Always said alliance should have picked him up when they were trying out players.

My main concern with og is whether they can sustain their performances, because my analysis is that they have been heavily reliant on draft advantage rather than outplays. Good thing is that they ain't as one dimensional as cdec and alliance 2013, so it would take a while before they get figured.
haxhax
Profile Joined January 2015
125 Posts
November 25 2015 12:03 GMT
#190
Any draft can look like the stronger one when the players just play the drafts better than anyone else.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
November 25 2015 12:14 GMT
#191
Another thing people harped on was him saying something like Secret being in the finals because they had an easy road. Of course their group wasn't the toughest and they got Mineski first round because they upset EHOME in groups, but after that they beat VG and EG so the finals spot was hardly undeserved.

In general though it's always the same thing when players give their opinions. People are all up in arms if they don't show fake humility or whatever and say "they are a great team I respect them a lot" about everyone. This cr1t thing was hardly an exception. I'm sure the comments will be a source of many memes in the future if OG were to lose to Secret.
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2061 Posts
November 25 2015 12:33 GMT
#192
On November 25 2015 21:14 spudde123 wrote:
Another thing people harped on was him saying something like Secret being in the finals because they had an easy road. Of course their group wasn't the toughest and they got Mineski first round because they upset EHOME in groups, but after that they beat VG and EG so the finals spot was hardly undeserved.

In general though it's always the same thing when players give their opinions. People are all up in arms if they don't show fake humility or whatever and say "they are a great team I respect them a lot" about everyone. This cr1t thing was hardly an exception. I'm sure the comments will be a source of many memes in the future if OG were to lose to Secret.

I agree, it was quite foolish of him to have stated such a thing. Saying that secret had an easy road when they beat VG and EG to reach the finals is really quite unreasonable. It shows still how immature the scene (or just him) is.
Oppa feeding style
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10637 Posts
November 25 2015 13:52 GMT
#193
That it sparks a big outrage that some pro sais something like this does only Show one Thing:

How mindnumblingly dumb many dota fans are.
SatsuinoHado
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria777 Posts
November 25 2015 15:08 GMT
#194
This confirms how young most of the DOTA2 fans are. I will never get any of the players opinions as a trash talk or get frustrated if any player talks about my favorite team and/or player, hell even after sumail dominated for 15 games in DAC and proclaimed himself the best mid of all time I was like "sure thing good luck to ya in future". That is the main reason I stopped watching Football fans are too blind with the assumptions and never understand at the end of the day this is ONE PERSON'S opinion no matter that he is Pro or not.
People call me Jack, OMASJack
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
November 25 2015 15:51 GMT
#195
Well in a way it is really no different than a random forum post. If someone says something silly or something that someone feels is incorrect he may get a response. If cr1t says something in public he can also get a response.

It's mostly just the people who talk as if this or that sentence reveals a player's character and who start to attack the person rather than just talking about the topic at hand that go over the top. Of course fans are free to use whatever criteria they want to decide whether they like a player or not, but it doesn't mean they should start harassing the player because he said something they don't agree with.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11446 Posts
November 26 2015 12:17 GMT
#196
Miracle looks kinda geekish and introverted. Was a surprised to see him sporting a tattoo on his right arm!
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-26 14:06:36
November 26 2015 14:05 GMT
#197
On November 25 2015 21:33 weiliem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2015 21:14 spudde123 wrote:
Another thing people harped on was him saying something like Secret being in the finals because they had an easy road. Of course their group wasn't the toughest and they got Mineski first round because they upset EHOME in groups, but after that they beat VG and EG so the finals spot was hardly undeserved.

In general though it's always the same thing when players give their opinions. People are all up in arms if they don't show fake humility or whatever and say "they are a great team I respect them a lot" about everyone. This cr1t thing was hardly an exception. I'm sure the comments will be a source of many memes in the future if OG were to lose to Secret.

I agree, it was quite foolish of him to have stated such a thing. Saying that secret had an easy road when they beat VG and EG to reach the finals is really quite unreasonable. It shows still how immature the scene (or just him) is.


For one thing he didn't say Secret was in the finals because their road was easy. He said he thought their road was "pretty easy" which, when compared to all other semi finalists (and especially to his own team) it arguably was.
And when you look at the different series you can see how he comes to his other conclusions; OG certainly had a lot more difficulties against EHOME and EG than against Secret. People are just trying to stir up needless drama (surprise). I like how Envy handled it when confronted with this (non-)issue.

Also I would like to remind you of Puppeys own words before the final: "we definitely make more mistakes right now than in any other tournament we've played...".
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
November 28 2015 12:57 GMT
#198
damn this team is scary now
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Zeelah
Profile Joined September 2015
Ireland172 Posts
November 28 2015 14:20 GMT
#199
On November 28 2015 21:57 LemOn wrote:
damn this team is scary now

Well its almost all tier 2 teams at Dreamleague besides them.
♩♪♫ Stand In The Fire ♫♪♩
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
November 28 2015 14:42 GMT
#200
On November 28 2015 23:20 Zeelah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2015 21:57 LemOn wrote:
damn this team is scary now

Well its almost all tier 2 teams at Dreamleague besides them.

Yeah you're right, my bad. They're shit.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
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