"EHOME was one of the pillars of Chinese DotA, and one of the oldest teams in the scene. However they did not get the same support from their country as the other teams got and were even seen as a foreign team on the Chinese scene, because EHOME was, unlike the other Chinese teams, not part of Association of China E-Sports. ACE was therefore limiting their training partners along with other things."
"On January 7, 2015, EHOME was officially revived by legendary EHOME player and coach Tang "71" Wenyi"
"ELeVeN's first team was Subvert, a team which entered the Fengyun Dota 2 Tournament but after being eliminated by Speed Gaming.int, disbanded. In summer of 2014, ELeVeN joined U5 as his team entered the Dota 2 Secondary Pro League but they did not manage to perform well in this tournament either and he left the team shortly after. Later that year, he joined Immortal Magneto Gaming as their offlane player and began to gain notoriety for his offlane performances during his time on the team. After having left the team in March of 2015, he had finally joined a top-tier team in EHOME during the post-TI5 reshuffle.
"Despite many people thinking that EHOME was extremely unstable after rOtk had departed for LGD Gaming, ELeVeN and his team managed to surprise everyone by qualifying for the Nanyang Dota 2 Championships and ESL One New York 2015 after defeating the likes of Invictus Gaming and Vici Gaming, solidifying ELeVeN's status as a top-tier offlane player."
I still think ex orange should have stuck together. Kyxy covered all of mushi flaws, so they could have done pretty much any draft they want. You want safe lane invoker + carry mid, or standard mid invoker, kyxy and mushi could swap roles without any issues. Core meepo? Sureeeee
Now it appears mushi will play support if invoker gets drafted. Not sure how good that will be. Also not too sure on inflame's support play and pool since he used to play mid.
Team seems pretty good, I feel bad for Whisper and demons though, especially Whisper, since I thought he was pretty good and now he's back to not having a team.
On January 12 2015 15:03 DucK- wrote: I still think ex orange should have stuck together. Kyxy covered all of mushi flaws, so they could have done pretty much any draft they want. You want safe lane invoker + carry mid, or standard mid invoker, kyxy and mushi could swap roles without any issues. Core meepo? Sureeeee
Now it appears mushi will play support if invoker gets drafted. Not sure how good that will be. Also not too sure on inflame's support play and pool since he used to play mid.
So far so good for EHOME, inflame seems to do well and isn't strictly hard support + Mushi's drafting has been the most refreshing change of team hero compositions so far for 6.83.
Ehome, Vici Gaming and Hellraisers have been equally refreshing but I see ehome as the team as the most capable of executing on their ideas though I see Hellraisers after their win in the EU scene becoming a trendsetter for that region.
On January 12 2015 16:53 Elyvilon wrote: Team seems pretty good, I feel bad for Whisper and demons though, especially Whisper, since I thought he was pretty good and now he's back to not having a team.
On January 12 2015 16:53 Elyvilon wrote: Team seems pretty good, I feel bad for Whisper and demons though, especially Whisper, since I thought he was pretty good and now he's back to not having a team.
Isn't whisper/Lin playing for LAI gaming?
Oh, is he? I haven't had a chance to see any of their games. That's cool.
On January 12 2015 15:03 DucK- wrote: I still think ex orange should have stuck together. Kyxy covered all of mushi flaws, so they could have done pretty much any draft they want. You want safe lane invoker + carry mid, or standard mid invoker, kyxy and mushi could swap roles without any issues. Core meepo? Sureeeee
Now it appears mushi will play support if invoker gets drafted. Not sure how good that will be. Also not too sure on inflame's support play and pool since he used to play mid.
So far so good for EHOME, inflame seems to do well and isn't strictly hard support + Mushi's drafting has been the most refreshing change of team hero compositions so far for 6.83.
I am pretty sure inflame drafts for EHOME since Mushi's drafts in Dk were rly standard iirc
On January 12 2015 15:03 DucK- wrote: I still think ex orange should have stuck together. Kyxy covered all of mushi flaws, so they could have done pretty much any draft they want. You want safe lane invoker + carry mid, or standard mid invoker, kyxy and mushi could swap roles without any issues. Core meepo? Sureeeee
Now it appears mushi will play support if invoker gets drafted. Not sure how good that will be. Also not too sure on inflame's support play and pool since he used to play mid.
So far so good for EHOME, inflame seems to do well and isn't strictly hard support + Mushi's drafting has been the most refreshing change of team hero compositions so far for 6.83.
I am pretty sure inflame drafts for EHOME since Mushi's drafts in Dk were rly standard iirc
I mean you literally see the captain/drafter sign on inflame's name during B/P lol
On January 12 2015 15:03 DucK- wrote: I still think ex orange should have stuck together. Kyxy covered all of mushi flaws, so they could have done pretty much any draft they want. You want safe lane invoker + carry mid, or standard mid invoker, kyxy and mushi could swap roles without any issues. Core meepo? Sureeeee
Now it appears mushi will play support if invoker gets drafted. Not sure how good that will be. Also not too sure on inflame's support play and pool since he used to play mid.
So far so good for EHOME, inflame seems to do well and isn't strictly hard support + Mushi's drafting has been the most refreshing change of team hero compositions so far for 6.83.
I am pretty sure inflame drafts for EHOME since Mushi's drafts in Dk were rly standard iirc
Mushi's drafting for DK definitely wasn't really standard. I mean his longest drafting stretch was right after they formed, when they were drafting and winning with literally everything.
edit: and yeah i realise this has nothing to do with the discussion. i'm just a nostalgic fanboy who's still sad his favourite team doesn't exist anymore.
EHOME vs Big God is one of my more anticipated matches for the qualifiers (DK reunion!), but honestly assuming EHOME can continue dominating and eventually qualify, the real test for them as a team will be against the tier 1 (newbee, vg, eg, secret, lgd) teams and if they can actually win bo3s against them, or if they are doomed to be another team malaysia of sorts, forever sitting top of tier 2.
On January 13 2015 11:32 RandyL wrote: EHOME vs Big God is one of my more anticipated matches for the qualifiers (DK reunion!), but honestly assuming EHOME can continue dominating and eventually qualify, the real test for them as a team will be against the tier 1 (newbee, vg, eg, secret, lgd) teams and if they can actually win bo3s against them, or if they are doomed to be another team malaysia of sorts, forever sitting top of tier 2.
It'll be exciting to see how they do! I am still not sure about Zyf though- sometimes he makes some really strange feeds for almost no reason...
I had to close the stream in disgust partway through that Tongfu Ehome game. I just checked Ehome's schedule and they have 5 more games left, against VG, EG, Newbee, MVP Phoenix, Rave. So that's 2 losses, 3 losses if you count Rave's current form as legit, maybe a win against Newbee, and a match against MVP which depends on which Ehome turns up. RIP Ehome in DAC 2015.
On February 01 2015 05:29 lphwo wrote: I had to close the stream in disgust partway through that Tongfu Ehome game. I just checked Ehome's schedule and they have 5 more games left, against VG, EG, Newbee, MVP Phoenix, Rave. So that's 2 losses, 3 losses if you count Rave's current form as legit, maybe a win against Newbee, and a match against MVP which depends on which Ehome turns up. RIP Ehome in DAC 2015.
the bottom 4 will be tongfu, hgt, mvp and newbee. Ehome wont be out yet, but they will sure start on the lowers bracket
Yea they'll probably still make it, but it'll be in the losers bracket with another Bo1, which IMHO is not their strong point. I would have had more confidence in them showing their full potential if they managed to get into the top 8.
2010 roster, according to this guy with a real LGD flair (the black one)
So:
LGD: YYF, ZSMJ, Gx, CH, 2009. 4 of them are still playing Dota publicly, with 2009 and YYF casting. In case Gx isn't available, Luo is available to stand in as he did in the iconic double rapier game. The other roster with 830 and Sharingan is harder to pull off, as 830 play LoL now (according to his weibo IIRC), and Sharingan nowhere to be found. Either way, 2009 is more iconic
EHOME: AAA X!! J 357 820. B-God, MMY are still playing. 820 coaches Newbee, and QQQ coaches Vici. KingJ should be available as he recently participated in that Dota reality show
That's a pretty good chinese lineup. I wouldn't be surprised if they could be considered a top 4 chinese team, but not sure if top 1/2 material. I would love to be wrong cause I love lanm.
I was bummed about Ehome narrowly missing out on getting first in group B, but looking at the brackets, they're not in that bad of a spot.
Being realistic: Ehome is probably the most solid team of the tournament so far (they've not fallen apart in a single game), but beating the big 3 is going to be tough. The way the bracket works though, even if they lose to Secret, they're guaranteed to not face any of them until the top 4 as long as LGD reaches the WB finals (which seems very likely). And judging from the group stages, top 4 has to be the realistic goal for them right now.
edit: oh and EG can't lose to col round 1.
As a fanboy though, fuck that shit. We gun wreck Secret.
it all comes down to how much zyf and cty can perform at main event...both of these youngsters are just proving to be monsters under the hands of rotk as a captain..
i am sure ehome will give secret a big fight as the experience of rotk,lanm and DDC is very much acting as a trigger for this team...hoping to see some big LaNm dunks and syf anti mage and ember(which is spectacular)..
As much as people call out rotk for his feeding,he pretty much sets the pace of the game with his captainship
Looking forward to a strong showing from EHOME on Tuesday! They've shown promising play thus far and an upset against Secret isn't too far out of a possibility if they just play it steady (aka no random midgame 5-man self-destruct feed pls .-.). Cty can definitely give s4 a run for his money and LaNm + DDC = imba support duo. GOGOGO EHOME!
As someone who definitely picks ehome to cheer for this tournament (without even seeing rotk's video heh), i doubt they have much chances against Secret, since well, cty can still have his cty moments in lategame, as can rotk. But they can definitely make a top 6 run out of lower bracket.
well i'm an ehome fan but it would be nice if cty stops being cty at the mid-late game and actually deliver like how he's hyped as the chinese rtz but i do can positively see him to deliver with rokt and lanm
I was bummed about Ehome narrowly missing out on getting first in group B, but looking at the brackets, they're not in that bad of a spot.
Being realistic: Ehome is probably the most solid team of the tournament so far (they've not fallen apart in a single game), but beating the big 3 is going to be tough. The way the bracket works though, even if they lose to Secret, they're guaranteed to not face any of them until the top 4 as long as LGD reaches the WB finals (which seems very likely). And judging from the group stages, top 4 has to be the realistic goal for them right now.
edit: oh and EG can't lose to col round 1.
As a fanboy though, fuck that shit. We gun wreck Secret.
I was bummed about Ehome narrowly missing out on getting first in group B, but looking at the brackets, they're not in that bad of a spot.
Being realistic: Ehome is probably the most solid team of the tournament so far (they've not fallen apart in a single game), but beating the big 3 is going to be tough. The way the bracket works though, even if they lose to Secret, they're guaranteed to not face any of them until the top 4 as long as LGD reaches the WB finals (which seems very likely). And judging from the group stages, top 4 has to be the realistic goal for them right now.
edit: oh and EG can't lose to col round 1.
As a fanboy though, fuck that shit. We gun wreck Secret.
What makes this pretty bitter for Ehome is that with a good showing at ESL they would've had a very good claim to one of the fall major invites. Without it, it's not so clear.
I don't mind either VG or EHOME taking this, the winner probably has a better shot against secret but man these guys play really well. Lanm with so much patience during that last game against Liquid, something I wish VG could learn from ;/
So according to Chuan, Ehome's having internal issues. Someone doubted Lanm's leadership after the CDEC series and they switched drafter to CTY vs Mineski. Explains the drafts and play vs Mineski at least.
On November 16 2015 00:39 Orome wrote: So according to Chuan, Ehome's having internal issues. Someone doubted Lanm's leadership after the CDEC series and they switched drafter to CTY vs Mineski. Explains the drafts and play vs Mineski at least.
Doesn't look good honestly.
They have been doing really well, qualified for a bunch of tournaments, looked like one of the stronger Chinese teams, like number 2 at least, why doubt after one series? Seems really dumb of them.
On November 16 2015 00:39 Orome wrote: So according to Chuan, Ehome's having internal issues. Someone doubted Lanm's leadership after the CDEC series and they switched drafter to CTY vs Mineski. Explains the drafts and play vs Mineski at least.
Doesn't look good honestly.
not sure about this. they already looked lost and disorganized in their first game vs CDEC after like 10minutes. cdec got alot of solo pickoffs and somehow ehome tried to keep fighting 4v5 and 3v5. sad to see a team that usually plays as a unit to just fall apart like that
Both of the drafts vs CDEC really were bad, but yeah, I have no idea why they'd make you start doubting Lanm. I mean hell, before that series they'd never lost a single series to anyone that's not VG.
edit: Actually they lost one Bo3 vs iG only to come back from the LB and beat iG in the finals. But yeah, bottom line they've done well.
even during DK 2013-2014 period when lanm was captaining there were times that lanm looked a little lost, which was why burning/mushi took up the drafting role for some time even though lanm was pretty much a genius drafter.
I'm pretty sure its just EHOME looking a little lost during the CDEC games, however if there are severe internal issues it would probably spell badly for this EHOME team :/ tbh theres a low chance of them sticking together after the finals, even though their recent results prior to the major has been nothing short of stellar. Once someone starts questioning the captaining of the team theres no way it would go well for the team and losing to mineski makes it even worse
On November 17 2015 10:18 RiZu wrote: Well seeing Hao play in Newbee... I kind of wish he come to EHOME after the major. Those guy fell off too much.
one of mu's worst games ever, but the supports didnt exactly make it easy either. i thought they were quite fine until they threw the game for the first rosh, then the whole game turned topsy turvy
On November 18 2015 03:34 goody153 wrote: This team is likely to face LGD (no way it's peru lol srry peru not happening). Not sure how well they have been doing against LGD lately though
They've not played that many official games, but I think Ehome's taken every encounter, last time in group stages at Nanyang.
I think Ehome is the most exciting Chinese team to watch atm (as everyone els im also a big Lanm fan), but theier road is super hard!! To win major they gotta beat VG > OG > Secret/EG > EG/Secret... If they can do it, its probably the most impressive run ever Anways, good luck against VG!
I do see them having trouble fighting Secret or EG still. The players on Secret and EG are so experienced they can function autonomously, wherease for EHOME LanM kind of has to tell everyone what to do constantly for things to happen. In that case I expect them to lose in that regard.
But still, impressive showing today, hopefully they can take down OG later!!
Ehome wins the finals of the Radiant&Dire Cup 2-1 over CDEC.Youth. Draft higlights were Timbersaw, Kunkka and Pugna. Kaka also proves himself as the best Earth Spirit in China.
In other news, ehome withdrew from the Starladder/i-League finals in Minsk.
Sad thing for ehome and for viewers is that ehome is likely to unspctacularly lose the grand finals. I mean that always happens, they perform so well but somehow gets stomped due to strange drafts when they're the favourites. Heh
On January 31 2016 08:25 aboxcar wrote: that's a normal trend for chinese teams though. china has lots of players who work hard and have skill, but there aren't many smart captains
europe has lots of smart captains but not as many next level players
this is because the west values creativity and artistry, and the east values being a robot
Now I wish this forum had an ignore feature. Your post says you don't know who the captain is so you can only rely on generalizations.
On January 31 2016 08:25 aboxcar wrote: that's a normal trend for chinese teams though. china has lots of players who work hard and have skill, but there aren't many smart captains
europe has lots of smart captains but not as many next level players
this is because the west values creativity and artistry, and the east values being a robot
Now I wish this forum had an ignore feature. Your post says you don't know who the captain is so you can only rely on generalizations.
Only captain in China that draft smartly is Lanm imo. The rest tend to be inflexible and safe in their drafts, often overusing the same strategies without considerations, or just blindly following the meta. This is fine though if your 1 strategy is so powerful like how Alliance (2013) and OG (Frankfurt) drafted (maybe newbee 2014 too, though I never taken a good look at their overall draft), but if you don't have a good formula then you just get exploited.
fy does cool drafts now and then. He is able to switch and use a wide variety of strategies. I like him, but chokes and reverts to conservative ways in important games way too often.
rotk's spectacular TI4 grand final quick loss was down to sheer stubbornness in draft. He pretty much did the same thing in LGD too.
q has not changed a single thing despite the new patches since TI5.
lanm plays around with the drafts alot, and is willing to use unconventional heroes like abba or pugna, sometimes doing crazy push strats too. He is imo the most flexible and open minded Chinese drafter.
isn't it not even lanm drafting at this tournament
@lich I'm sorry you can't appreciate the artistry in my posting
since you brought up fy and rotk, it's interesting to note how they are nearly polar opposites.
fy is an extremely skilled player, and a lot of his drafts want to simply outplay you. e.g. nightstalker. this is a weakness because a lot of times his picks are not theoretically solid, such as nighstalker, or the 10% winrate support earthshaker
rotk, on the other hand, generally does not feel like outplaying you but wants to find systems where they can win just by being solid
and so on
ig's super is supposed to be a really smart person but it seems he hasn't found a way to make that team win i was rootin' for them
just because old chicken is the drafter doesnt mean that lanm does not influence certain picks (lc, pugna come to mind). i feel like they wanted to share responsibility to keep the team calm
on the note of newbee 2014. xiao8 is a conservative drafter himself but i think his mid and lategame shotcalling is what makes him and his drafts so good
On January 31 2016 19:00 TRAP[yoo] wrote: just because old chicken is the drafter doesnt mean that lanm does not influence certain picks (lc, pugna come to mind). i feel like they wanted to share responsibility to keep the team calm
I also feel that's the reason. Lanm is a brilliant drafter, but he has some consistency issues and he's talked about how stressful it is to draft before. If oldchicken can continue to take that weight off his shoulders while still incorporating all Lanm's crazy ideas, that's really good news for Ehome.
Lanm's individual play was also noticeably more impressive than before. It's possible that's just because he got to play some of his favourite heroes (that Lion build!), but it doesn't seem too far-fetched to connect it to not having to draft anymore. He completely styled over a lot of games.
CTY carried so hard in the last game , that mind-game shotgun on Universe tho, PPD graved RTZ thinking he would shotgun him instead of Universe. Man , that was the play
I knew you were gonna make it eventually and become on par with Sylar-Burning someday. I still remember that 1v1 tournament damn.
also the 2 new players look awesome and lamn's a boss.
Kaka has been good for a while now, he just chokes sometimes but he has been performing really well for months.
I'd argue CTY's currently far better than both individually. Both Sylar and Burning have their own strengths, but it was never CTY's "outplay" ability. Sylar had his consistent farm and teamfights, while Burning had that ungodly intuition and decision-making, be it in items or movement. All of them are equal farmers, though I'd give the edge to Burning when farming from behind.
I just saw the highlights vs MVP. Oldchicken is actually such a terrible mid. I mean I know he is no miracle/430, but that was outright disgusting plays by him.
Still if a shit mid is what works for Ehome, then so be it :D
The worrying thing about this interview is that it implies 71 ignored his team's suggestions and chose icex3/fenrir without consulting the other 3. I'm going to cheer for this team no matter what, but I hope they're actually motivated to play with each other. A lot of question marks right now.
From the interview, it will appear that 71 chose ice3 and fenrir because of their workrate. 71 may have overruled his players choices due to their workrate.
Maybe it is time for the Chinese teams to have an incentive based contract to make them work harder. Low base pay plus high commission rates worked wonders for other industries with regards to "low effort" workers when effort cant be seen.
The youth team development is a bit worrisome too. I quote from the interview above "71: These two youth teams haven't been as strong in performances as last year, and the two coaches for these teams have met some issues in terms of player development. But within the teams there are still two pretty good players."
2 teams, 10 players and only 2 pretty good players. What are the other 8 players doing then?
Very glad to hear that. Lanm carry was a little exciting, but it'll be good to have him back where he belongs. He's one of the best supports in the world and with Fenrir on 5 he can finally play 4 again. Suddenly their 3-5 are super flexible again and I'd expect eleven to get used to 1 pretty quickly.
On May 01 2016 10:39 Thetwinmasters wrote: The new roles apparently in scrims are 1. eleven 2. old chicken 3. iceiceice 4. lanm 5. fenrir
I like lanm. I like iceiceice for obvious reasons. Eleven is pretty solid. But the chicken.....he needs to be removed. Worst mid player I have seen since....maybe old ehome perfectcat????
You already can't achieve much with such a burden at mid. If only CTY stayed to play mid
why do people keep saying this? oldchicken has a limited hero pool and doesn't quite reach top-tier status even on the heroes he's comfortable on, but he's nowhere near terrible. he was a slight problem on the old ehome because that was a top-tier team and he was the weakest link, but the new ehome has way bigger problems than oldchicken not being cty.
On May 01 2016 14:59 Orome wrote: why do people keep saying this? oldchicken has a limited hero pool and doesn't quite reach top-tier status even on the heroes he's comfortable on, but he's nowhere near terrible. he was a slight problem on the old ehome because that was a top-tier team and he was the weakest link, but the new ehome has way bigger problems than oldchicken not being cty.
Because he is a bad player period.
Ehome may now have many new problems, but their old mid problem still remains.
Maybe he was bad at Manila, I haven't gotten caught up on Ehome games yet, but his performance as a whole since he joined ehome has been fine. A couple of terrible performances on heroes he's bad at != he's a bad player. Not to mention he's also Ehome's intermittent drafter.
On May 01 2016 22:52 DucK- wrote: What hero is he good at? When I say bad, its of course relative to his peers.
His best heroes are dk dp viper od ta invoker I'd say. Probably some I'm forgetting. I do agree he's not a top tier mid, but he's also not a huge burden.
apparently , IG.Yuno said on his stream that ehome has kicked old eleven and will pick up newbee.Y.FaN as their carry player..pretty sad move to be honest. old eleven was their best player till now after CTY.. i don't see a reason to kick him and not iceiceice as ice3 is below old eleven at offlane position
Also heard that eleven chose to be a sub and take a break. He wasn't kicked. I would have preferred him to ice too, but move ice to mid since any mid is better than the chicken.
Man, EHOME is looking great right now. Even with a few stumbles vs MVP they really pulled it together. Looking forward to the newbee games later tonight.
On May 23 2017 03:49 FuzzyJAM wrote: This roster should be incredible.
i hope so
i really wished that wings stayed together but the throwing under the bus incident probably make that never happening even if there was actually a sponsor that would pick them up from the west
I'm not a huge fan of oldchicken, and I think not having CTY in mid is a bit of a waste, same as Paparazzi. I fear that in the current landscape of DotA there are too many mid players that will dominate him, though I hope they'll prove me wrong.
On May 23 2017 06:00 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: I'm not a huge fan of oldchicken, and I think not having CTY in mid is a bit of a waste, same as Paparazzi. I fear that in the current landscape of DotA there are too many mid players that will dominate him, though I hope they'll prove me wrong.
if it's just about laning i wouldn't worry about that .. Ana is an good example of player only needing to excel mid-lategame
Garder and FaithBian should really steal the show. Garder was amazing on CDEC during their TI run. Lets see if Y continues his brilliance and if old chickens can learn new tricks.
EPT
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), but theier road is super hard!! To win major they gotta beat VG > OG > Secret/EG > EG/Secret... If they can do it, its probably the most impressive run ever 
