EPTVici Gaming Discussion - Page 39
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
their draft looks so wonky but all of a sudden huge burst of magical damage and they kill 3, 4, 5 in a row holy shit | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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trollcenter
362 Posts
On October 27 2015 07:45 rabidch wrote: super seems to be a common factor in the games they lose. Yeah, he's played in all the games they lost. | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On October 27 2015 07:45 rabidch wrote: super seems to be a common factor in the games they lose. but he's been getting better. He's drafting now and I think he might be getting a hang of things. I like their drafts a lot | ||
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Ultimo Hombre
Australia1436 Posts
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vndestiny
Singapore3440 Posts
Edit: I'm over exaggerating obviously, most of their losts came from weird decision making from what I saw, took fights where they should not. User was warned for this post | ||
Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
On October 27 2015 10:38 Ultimo Hombre wrote: Super gets a bit too much hate, he's played better than Burning in the tournament so far and better than iceiceice at TI (and at every single TI since the first one) but after every loss ppl love to blame Super. This is like when rotk used to get trashed constantly by people when he was on DK burning was not even bad at this tournament if u think about it except that one ember game where super was like 8th in the networth chart and lost mid heavily..tho,i am not the super hater,but the game against VP was all on him not buying bkb after stealing all the farm on the map..burning was pretty okay,even good in all their games.his gyro,am and ember in game 1 against cdec were by no means fails.VG seems like losing in drafting stage most of the time more than plays.the best example is game 2 against cdec where they didnt had a way against minus armor i am liking that burning is freeing his lane after early game for supports and ganking around the map. | ||
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syw651
Australia349 Posts
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Horo
United States351 Posts
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
As much hate as Super is getting-- he's just in a difficult position because of the lack of help he gets. Fy is too greedy as a support-- sometimes it works out and sometimes multiple lanes are lost. While Black is considered the mini-Burning, I feel like Black has superior mechanics and laning, so he wasn't babysat as much. As of right now, the enemy offlane gets way too much and Super gets pressured mid. There's not much time to do anything for the Major, but I would like to see VG switch things up afterwards. I know it's blasphemy, but maybe they can experiment with Fy core and work in Zyf somewhere. Their SL12 form was really incredible, and I hope VG can get back to where they were. | ||
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
This is made even worse when their drafts are becoming questionable. I'm not sure what kind of shake up does VG need though. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
Come on, this team placed 2nd and gave Secret (the team in the best recent form) a decent run in the finals. Any talk about roster changes is just a massively silly overreaction. | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
On November 02 2015 08:56 yamato77 wrote: 1st large tournament with Burning at safelane and you guys are already talking about a shake-up? Come on, this team placed 2nd and gave Secret (the team in the best recent form) a decent run in the finals. Any talk about roster changes is just a massively silly overreaction. Heh, yeah. But it's disconcerting when there are multiple games where VG just gets run over, something that rarely happens in the previous iterations of VG. The old adage that it's difficult to out-execute VG simply doesn't exist anymore. | ||
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shouldbeworking
946 Posts
On November 02 2015 10:08 bearbuddy wrote: Heh, yeah. But it's disconcerting when there are multiple games where VG just gets run over, something that rarely happens in the previous iterations of VG. The old adage that it's difficult to out-execute VG simply doesn't exist anymore. Its a mixture of how good Puppey is and how fucked up VG's plan was that equals those stompy games. Puppey abuses other teams mistakes very well and there is no recovering from that. When Tiny just started destroying the SF you knew it was going to be over. I'm guessing VG didn't plan on Tiny being picked mid and the slardar tiny combo +bh secured their mid game so hard. Then you had AM who was getting out of control to seal the deal. VG and all of China is probably going to have roster changes around lunar new year anyways. VG needs to be on the lookout for a new prodigy mid. Since consistency just isn't enough when you want to be champs. Look at what happened to CDEC at Ti5. Not getting the most out of mid makes the game so much harder. | ||
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
On November 02 2015 10:47 shouldbeworking wrote: Its a mixture of how good Puppey is and how fucked up VG's plan was that equals those stompy games. Puppey abuses other teams mistakes very well and there is no recovering from that. When Tiny just started destroying the SF you knew it was going to be over. I'm guessing VG didn't plan on Tiny being picked mid and the slardar tiny combo +bh secured their mid game so hard. Then you had AM who was getting out of control to seal the deal. VG and all of China is probably going to have roster changes around lunar new year anyways. VG needs to be on the lookout for a new prodigy mid. Since consistency just isn't enough when you want to be champs. Look at what happened to CDEC at Ti5. Not getting the most out of mid makes the game so much harder. They have zyf as a sub, I wonder how he is mid. | ||
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Ultimo Hombre
Australia1436 Posts
On November 02 2015 13:10 rebdomine wrote: They have zyf as a sub, I wonder how he is mid. I think he started as a mid | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
I'd said it before, but Vici will never win ti with super. He has his games, but there's also many where he fucks up mid hard. Consistently inconsistent. It is a joy when he is on song, but it becomes a feeling of routine/inevitably whenever he plays badly. | ||
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Kamisamanachi
4665 Posts
the hate/blame certainly feels like another scapegoating attempt for super getting outdrafted in atleast 3 games of grand finals..and yeah,Yj would have also done same thing at burning's place..what do u expect when ur rest of the team has soo far behind?jump into 5 heroes mindlessly?stop saying aggressive word if u thing aggressive means jumping like retard under enemy towers | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
Burning have a tradition of downgrading his mid player. It starts with super on DK 2012-2013, super used to be DK's counter-part of 430 and Mu, and considered as the most talented of the three. Then Mushi in DK 2014, turning the almighty M-god in TI3 into, well, what he is right now. And 430 in IG this year, you can clearly find that 430 can no longer dominate the mid as much as he was. Now super has to be burning's mid player for the second time, you can expect what is happening to him. | ||
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