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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
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Ramiz1989
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On April 21 2015 11:32 the bear jew wrote: http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/rankings#team So Navi is ranked higher then VP according to Gosu. How does that work anyway? I've been saying this for years(yes, actual years) for people to stop looking at GG rankings, those are absolutely horrible and a lot of the times don't make sense at all. I remember when some teams were in top 20 while they had disbanded months before that... | ||
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Racket
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On April 21 2015 22:22 Ramiz1989 wrote: I've been saying this for years(yes, actual years) for people to stop looking at GG rankings, those are absolutely horrible and a lot of the times don't make sense at all. I remember when some teams were in top 20 while they had disbanded months before that... That is what we call "Lingering fear", or just a way to measure how much active teams suck. Just kidding. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
On April 21 2015 11:06 FHDH wrote: Well you're entitled to that opinion but I think they are showing a lot more promise than that. VG Secret C9 EG Ignoring regions, these are the guys you absolutely have to have, with no argument I can imagine. So you have four S-Tier teams. Is one of these teams going to win TI? Maybe, but you're a fool if you think that's definite. IG LGD VP Empire Rave These are teams I think there's little argument should be in there with the others. How many "bad teams" do you see so far? We're up to nine, and we have one Americas team and one SEA team so far. Na'Vi NiP Alliance Tinker Newbee HR Burden All of these teams could realistically meet or exceed the quality of play of the last batch of teams by the time TI rolls around. That is, they could be expected to compete with the S Tier teams though they'd be underdogs. Now we're up to sixteen. Can you think of any teams you'd rather see on this section of the list? Of course you can. Because there are a lot of capable teams right now. (Also I don't pay s lot of attention to China when they aren't at international LANs). None of them are bad, although surely when the time comes at least a couple will fail to rise to the challenge. What's my point? Simply that there isn't a shortage of good teams right now, and even if you think there is, shutting the door on teams on the cusp isn't going to fix it. I don't see how Team Malaysia is not on there and Rave is. Rave is a decent team in a weak region, but TM has that going for them as well. I think direct invites are: VG, iG, LGD from China Secret, C9, Empire, VP? from Europe EG from NA (I actually think Tinker can sneak in here, see below) Malaysia from SEA (Rave can sneak in too, see below) That's 8 + 1? teams which I think are hard to argue don't belong, especially since Valve wants to keep regional representation. I think they will go up to 11 direct invites again with 4 regional qualifiers and 2nd place getting a play-in chance and the reason I can see Tinker and Rave sneaking in is because Valve wants to keep regional diversity (TI is as much about marketing as anything else). The big problem I see is that the invites are coming so soon, before all the big tournaments. Anyways, back on topic: For Na'vi, NiP, Alliance, Tinker, HR, and Burden (and I'll even throw VP in here since Secret + C9 are obviously safe and Empire beating EG at MLG means they're safe), they've all qualified for lans but as we saw with the the first iteration of Tinker just qualifying for lans doesn't mean anything, you actually have to perform at those lans. If any of these teams has a break out performance at one of the lans they're attending while someone who was relatively safe bombs out, it could mean the difference between direct invite or not. I don't know if Na'vi management can somehow pull it off by stuffing Na'vi into D2CL or create a invitational tourney to try and get this team to TI (if they are up to the level now that Artstyle is back and can manage to win, obviously) the exact same way EG did one year ago. EG was a new team but really hot beatnig all the other NA teams and they hosted the Monster Invitational with only 3 other teams (and only 1 'real' team) and won and gave themselves tons of momentum. The biggest problem is time, it's already end of April... If Na'vi can hold an invitational wth NiP, Alliance, HR, Burden, and VP (maybe you don't need HR and Burden as those two teams are still half a step below though definitely not too far, but at the same time when you've been playing this bad for so long you really need to prove yourself) and beat them all that'd be the best chance for them to get in on an EU invite I'd think. And if Na'vi doesn't win then they clearly know they don't deserve a direct invite and will be invited to the qualifiers anyways cause there are definitely not 8 teams better than even this Na'vi in Europe. | ||
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MyrMindservant
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On April 22 2015 01:02 MyrMindservant wrote: "Interview with Dendi @ Na`Vi Bootcamp" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpugSDVVm6c Interesting interview, and maybe NaVi will get to the US for redbull after all. If that happens, I feel bad for Hellraisers. but honestly, can't teams apply for a visa farther in advance instead of what feels like the last minute? As someone who is from the US, is it honestly that hard for Eastern Europeans to visit the US for a week? | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On April 22 2015 12:38 the bear jew wrote: Interesting interview, and maybe NaVi will get to the US for redbull after all. If that happens, I feel bad for Hellraisers. but honestly, can't teams apply for a visa farther in advance instead of what feels like the last minute? As someone who is from the US, is it honestly that hard for Eastern Europeans to visit the US for a week? I am not from USA, believe me, it is hard. You make it that hard. No offense intended. Also, if someone does not have one of many required things in order, they must do it during that week, and bureaucracy has its ways. Not every country works fast and steady. | ||
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Alcor
Italy137 Posts
On April 22 2015 12:38 the bear jew wrote: Interesting interview, and maybe NaVi will get to the US for redbull after all. If that happens, I feel bad for Hellraisers. but honestly, can't teams apply for a visa farther in advance instead of what feels like the last minute? As someone who is from the US, is it honestly that hard for Eastern Europeans to visit the US for a week? if you enter as a tourist, no, it's not hard, but you need to ask for the visas at least 2 months before the fly, if you dont want to risk any problems. the problem is that e-sports are not recognized "officially" yet, and a team can't put lies on visas request. add to that the "hot countries" origin and visas issues are explained. | ||
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Racket
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On April 22 2015 15:47 Alcor wrote: if you enter as a tourist, no, it's not hard, but you need to ask for the visas at least 2 months before the fly, if you dont want to risk any problems. the problem is that e-sports are not recognized "officially" yet, and a team can't put lies on visas request. add to that the "hot countries" origin and visas issues are explained. Big argument there. | ||
strayfire
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On April 21 2015 11:32 the bear jew wrote: http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/rankings#team So Navi is ranked higher then VP according to Gosu. How does that work anyway? ASUS.Polar was ranked higher than Na'Vi and Virtus.Pro (the one with Bzz etc.) was ranked lower, and when the VP organization transferred the Polar roster to Virtus.Pro the same thing happened on GGnet. GGnet just transferred ASUS.Polar's players to the already existing (and lower ranked than Na'Vi) Virtus.pro entry on the GGnet rankings list and the ASUS.Polar entry was removed altogether. Regarding the visa issues for Russians, getting into the USA has been a difficult process ever since 9/11. Not to mention that the USA and Russia are not on the best diplomatic terms. | ||
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Racket
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On April 24 2015 18:05 Racket wrote: Will NaVi take notes from SL or just play CS:Go, let me know what the bootcamp looks like, I can't access the stream. When was the stream even last on? | ||
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Racket
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I don't know. I assumed it would be on for like two or three weeks, kinda extreme tho. | ||
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Alcor
Italy137 Posts
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sidesprang
Norway1033 Posts
Edit: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/33hr46/navi_bootcamp_over/ | ||
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Faruko
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StreetDog
Australia11 Posts
This could be some pretty good news for Navi. What do you guys think? If they aren't relying on just one tournament, or if new routes into TI are opening up, then there could be some interesting chances on the horizon for Navi. Esp with the roster rules | ||
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Racket
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On April 25 2015 16:35 StreetDog wrote: Seems like the new Valve sponsored tournaments could make a big difference in the way TI invites are managed. This could be some pretty good news for Navi. What do you guys think? If they aren't relying on just one tournament, or if new routes into TI are opening up, then there could be some interesting chances on the horizon for Navi. Esp with the roster rules I don't know what you are talking about, any news I missed? Edit: Someone just lost a direct TI invite. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
Now we just need to find a way to kidnap ppd for some draft lessons... Anyone got his number ? | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On April 25 2015 19:34 Faruko wrote: Ok NaVi this is our time ! Secret not looking too hot, Alliance still a coin toss, c9 is... well c9. Everything going according to the plan, play like crap, turn invisible and hit when novody expect it Now we just need to find a way to kidnap ppd for some draft lessons... Anyone got his number ? Yea: 0-800-SALT | ||
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