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wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
August 24 2016 11:21 GMT
#2441
Are you suggesting that tournaments should finger their seeding because a corporation wants to have two horses in the same race? How does that even change anything? The potential for corruption remains the same and it's a very bad look for DotA.
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
turpentine
Profile Joined November 2015
1624 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-24 11:30:14
August 24 2016 11:29 GMT
#2442
On August 24 2016 17:42 Bodhi wrote:
There's going to be 2 EG teams if you haven't figured it out by now, there's been plenty of hints dropped. Moon just referred to zai & Universe as being "strictly off-laners" at the current time, and both being locked in to EG. SumaiL has said he's sticking with EG. zai has said has said "All I can say is I'm playing with my boy SumaiL" (Which in itself was more or less confirmation of him & SumaiL leaving the #1 roster and building a #2 roster)

Based on what we know, this is roughly what's confirmed.

EG1 - Fear _____ Universe _____ ppd(c)
EG2 - _____ SumaiL zai Cr1t(c) _____

Arteezy will be on one of these rosters, more than likely 2 because of his conflicts with ppd. Unsure on the remaining 3 spots.


On August 24 2016 19:22 lowdice wrote:
fear taking a break breaks you theory Bodhi.


yeah if fear is taking a break it could well be the case that ppd was just dropped and there'll be only one team. Either that or ppd+4? I don't see universe playing with ppd when a)he left EG along with arteezy during the previous official shuffle and b)he must've voted to drop ppd along with sumail and zai, since they would need a 3-vs-1 agreement for that (and it would seem unlikely that fear would vote on that when he's taking a break regardless).

Has 5-s confirmed or denied the 2 team thing?
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Anamorph
Profile Joined September 2015
236 Posts
August 24 2016 11:31 GMT
#2443
On August 24 2016 20:29 turpentine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2016 17:42 Bodhi wrote:
There's going to be 2 EG teams if you haven't figured it out by now, there's been plenty of hints dropped. Moon just referred to zai & Universe as being "strictly off-laners" at the current time, and both being locked in to EG. SumaiL has said he's sticking with EG. zai has said has said "All I can say is I'm playing with my boy SumaiL" (Which in itself was more or less confirmation of him & SumaiL leaving the #1 roster and building a #2 roster)

Based on what we know, this is roughly what's confirmed.

EG1 - Fear _____ Universe _____ ppd(c)
EG2 - _____ SumaiL zai Cr1t(c) _____

Arteezy will be on one of these rosters, more than likely 2 because of his conflicts with ppd. Unsure on the remaining 3 spots.


Show nested quote +
On August 24 2016 19:22 lowdice wrote:
fear taking a break breaks you theory Bodhi.


yeah if fear is taking a break it could well be the case that ppd was just dropped and there'll be only one team. Either that or ppd+4? I don't see universe playing with ppd when a)he left EG along with arteezy during the previous official shuffle and b)he must've voted to drop ppd along with sumail and zai, since they would need a 3-vs-1 agreement for that (and it would seem unlikely that fear would vote on that when he's taking a break regardless).

Has 5-s confirmed or denied the 2 team thing?


He confirmed nothing than:
"captain out, old man out and the gg-manager guy out"
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-25 09:57:46
August 24 2016 13:34 GMT
#2444
Nothing is confirmed until it comes from the players, as far as I'm concerned. At least half the rumours and such-and-such pro confirmed such-and-such secondhand piece of info seem contradictory so far.

If they really are silly enough to go with an rtz+sumail+zai+cr1t+1 team where that +1 isn't PPD, they deserve everything that will come of it. Or the nothing that will come of it, more to the point.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
August 24 2016 23:50 GMT
#2445
EG is trying to break the TI curse with 2 teams :D Sneaky Americans :D
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common_cider
Profile Joined July 2011
342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-25 21:03:38
August 25 2016 01:19 GMT
#2446
I think it's 1 team. i have this prediction

1. RTZ
2. Summail
3. Uni
4. Zai
5. Cr1t

New Rival

1. Matumba
2. Miracle
3. MC
4. Jerax/bulba?
5. Kuro

PPD out, fear to take a break

edit: I believe the PPD is out rumor
1. We have 100+ viable heroes in the new dota patches. PPD has a limited pool.
2. PPD brings some. negativity, passive aggressive comments, condescension. He is a good captain and player.
3. Cr1t is better, more versatile, and more well liked than PPD
4. If I'm RTZ and summail, I sure as hell want cr1t over PPD. I think Zai and Uni will perfer cr1t to PPD as well.
5. Cr1t is just better and less abrasive personality than PPD.
6. RTZ, ZAI, Uni have left Pedur before, they'll leave him out again.
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pajoondies
Profile Joined February 2014
United States316 Posts
August 25 2016 01:39 GMT
#2447
honestly, i have more faith in PPD than I do any other captain or player in dota 2

if he's really out of EG for whatever reason (especially if against his will), I'm sure he'll remain at the top one way or another, his ability to lead and actually play are that good
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-25 04:00:46
August 25 2016 02:53 GMT
#2448
I've lost faith in humanity if the team wants eg.babyrage over ppd, unless they are giving ppd/rtz another go lol, or ppd is moving to coach or something like that

edit: or the 2 team scenario I suppose
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Evopanda
Profile Joined May 2007
United States21 Posts
August 25 2016 03:16 GMT
#2449
wonder if ppd will make a new team. Maybe ppd + moonmeander?
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-25 03:48:27
August 25 2016 03:47 GMT
#2450
On August 24 2016 17:42 Bodhi wrote:
There's going to be 2 EG teams if you haven't figured it out by now, there's been plenty of hints dropped. Moon just referred to zai & Universe as being "strictly off-laners" at the current time, and both being locked in to EG. SumaiL has said he's sticking with EG. zai has said has said "All I can say is I'm playing with my boy SumaiL" (Which in itself was more or less confirmation of him & SumaiL leaving the #1 roster and building a #2 roster)

Based on what we know, this is roughly what's confirmed.

EG1 - Fear _____ Universe _____ ppd(c)
EG2 - _____ SumaiL zai Cr1t(c) _____

Arteezy will be on one of these rosters, more than likely 2 because of his conflicts with ppd. Unsure on the remaining 3 spots.


If this did come to pass, wouldn't the logical conclusion be that EE is the mid on ppd's stack?

ppd might not be the most liked guy in the scene, but he's far & away the best captain. Someone will pay him to build a team under their organization's banner. A team owner would be a fool not to.

And RTZ + Zai + Cr1t would make a lot of sense, given some of the previous rumblings.
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
August 25 2016 05:13 GMT
#2451
Grant said on stream that EG won't have two teams, I also don't think PPD is leaving EG as he is still going to fan meets and stuff weeks from now with his teammates.
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Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-25 05:18:02
August 25 2016 05:17 GMT
#2452
EG.RTZ, EG.Sumail, EG.Universe, EG.Zai, EG.PPD, (coach) EG.Cr1t?

huehuehue

Pretty sure if RTZ IS going to EG, and zai isn't quitting dota again, then it's not EG.Cr1t
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Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
August 25 2016 08:44 GMT
#2453
On August 25 2016 14:17 Birdie wrote:
EG.RTZ, EG.Sumail, EG.Universe, EG.Zai, EG.PPD, (coach) EG.Cr1t?

huehuehue

Pretty sure if RTZ IS going to EG, and zai isn't quitting dota again, then it's not EG.Cr1t

Hard to read whats going to happend, as zai said on stream he will continue to play with "his boy Sumail", and Moon "confirmed" that zai will be playing offlane going forward.
Then again... None of us know who is trolling.
Maybe its Universe thats out of EG, maybe even ppd and Fear, or maybe its just ppd and Fear back to support... So many possibilities rly
But from all the rumors, im sitting with a feeling "new EG" will consist Suma1l, Zai, Cr1t and Rtz, leaving the last support position open for fear, ppd or even another new one.
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
August 25 2016 09:31 GMT
#2454
If I were a betting man, I'd put money on old man Fear retiring. I wouldn't be surprised if Universe was leaving as well, but I think it is less likely than Fear finally hanging up the mouse (with his injuries and whatnot).
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
August 26 2016 04:20 GMT
#2455
On August 25 2016 10:19 common_cider wrote:
I think it's 1 team. i have this prediction

1. RTZ
2. Summail
3. Uni
4. Zai
5. Cr1t

New Rival

1. Matumba
2. Miracle
3. MC
4. Jerax/bulba?
5. Kuro

PPD out, fear to take a break

edit: I believe the PPD is out rumor
1. We have 100+ viable heroes in the new dota patches. PPD has a limited pool.
2. PPD brings some. negativity, passive aggressive comments, condescension. He is a good captain and player.
3. Cr1t is better, more versatile, and more well liked than PPD
4. If I'm RTZ and summail, I sure as hell want cr1t over PPD. I think Zai and Uni will perfer cr1t to PPD as well.
5. Cr1t is just better and less abrasive personality than PPD.
6. RTZ, ZAI, Uni have left Pedur before, they'll leave him out again.

I would never take Cr1t for PPD, and if you actually think that is a GOOD choice... Oh my. You act as if you know their situation as well, "PPD has a limited hero pool" lol...
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Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
August 26 2016 05:03 GMT
#2456
On August 25 2016 17:44 Atoissen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2016 14:17 Birdie wrote:
EG.RTZ, EG.Sumail, EG.Universe, EG.Zai, EG.PPD, (coach) EG.Cr1t?

huehuehue

Pretty sure if RTZ IS going to EG, and zai isn't quitting dota again, then it's not EG.Cr1t

Hard to read whats going to happend, as zai said on stream he will continue to play with "his boy Sumail", and Moon "confirmed" that zai will be playing offlane going forward.
Then again... None of us know who is trolling.
Maybe its Universe thats out of EG, maybe even ppd and Fear, or maybe its just ppd and Fear back to support... So many possibilities rly
But from all the rumors, im sitting with a feeling "new EG" will consist Suma1l, Zai, Cr1t and Rtz, leaving the last support position open for fear, ppd or even another new one.

Did moon really say zai was offlane? I thought he just talked about the distribution of tier 1 offlaners, and mentioned zai being in EG.
To me that didn't mean he was offlane, just that among the top tier player, 2 were locked in in EG.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
August 26 2016 06:27 GMT
#2457
On August 26 2016 13:20 Yamulo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2016 10:19 common_cider wrote:
I think it's 1 team. i have this prediction

1. RTZ
2. Summail
3. Uni
4. Zai
5. Cr1t

New Rival

1. Matumba
2. Miracle
3. MC
4. Jerax/bulba?
5. Kuro

PPD out, fear to take a break

edit: I believe the PPD is out rumor
1. We have 100+ viable heroes in the new dota patches. PPD has a limited pool.
2. PPD brings some. negativity, passive aggressive comments, condescension. He is a good captain and player.
3. Cr1t is better, more versatile, and more well liked than PPD
4. If I'm RTZ and summail, I sure as hell want cr1t over PPD. I think Zai and Uni will perfer cr1t to PPD as well.
5. Cr1t is just better and less abrasive personality than PPD.
6. RTZ, ZAI, Uni have left Pedur before, they'll leave him out again.

I would never take Cr1t for PPD, and if you actually think that is a GOOD choice... Oh my. You act as if you know their situation as well, "PPD has a limited hero pool" lol...


You can have your own opinion but if the rumour is true then that's RTZ/Zai/Uni/Sumail who all would take cr1t over PPD...

Considering 3/4 have left EG for PPD related reasons before it's not an outlandish theory though we'll see if it pans out
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-26 07:35:38
August 26 2016 07:32 GMT
#2458
On August 26 2016 15:27 hariooo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2016 13:20 Yamulo wrote:
On August 25 2016 10:19 common_cider wrote:
I think it's 1 team. i have this prediction

1. RTZ
2. Summail
3. Uni
4. Zai
5. Cr1t

New Rival

1. Matumba
2. Miracle
3. MC
4. Jerax/bulba?
5. Kuro

PPD out, fear to take a break

edit: I believe the PPD is out rumor
1. We have 100+ viable heroes in the new dota patches. PPD has a limited pool.
2. PPD brings some. negativity, passive aggressive comments, condescension. He is a good captain and player.
3. Cr1t is better, more versatile, and more well liked than PPD
4. If I'm RTZ and summail, I sure as hell want cr1t over PPD. I think Zai and Uni will perfer cr1t to PPD as well.
5. Cr1t is just better and less abrasive personality than PPD.
6. RTZ, ZAI, Uni have left Pedur before, they'll leave him out again.

I would never take Cr1t for PPD, and if you actually think that is a GOOD choice... Oh my. You act as if you know their situation as well, "PPD has a limited hero pool" lol...


You can have your own opinion but if the rumour is true then that's RTZ/Zai/Uni/Sumail who all would take cr1t over PPD...

Considering 3/4 have left EG for PPD related reasons before it's not an outlandish theory though we'll see if it pans out

Apart from RTZ we have no way of knowing if they left because of ppd.
To me it looked like they thought playing Secret was a good opportunity and when it failed they came back.
If the rumors are true I think it's more that Uni, zai, Suma1l had to choose between playing with ppd or RTZ since they won't play together anymore and they chose RTZ.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
TriCkster135
Profile Joined June 2016
Germany80 Posts
August 26 2016 07:57 GMT
#2459
Kicking ppd is probably the worst thing they can do. Over the last ~3 years he has proven that he is by far the best captain in dota.
Over that time a lot of things changed...players left EG others jonied EG, different patches and metas, etc.. The only thing that remained stable was that the team with ppd was always a Top team.

Look at Rtz, Universe, aui, to some extend zai or manson. As long as they played with ppd they were considered T1 player.s After they left they were average at best(apart from maybe zai ).
If i would be EG, i would keep ppd and kick the otheres if they don't want to play with him. There are a lot of good players in dota, but only a few good captains.
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
August 26 2016 08:25 GMT
#2460
I am not so sure about the ppd kick, I think if anything, he has wanted to take a break or something.
I doubt the org or the players are stupid enough to kick ppd, and especially for Rtz...
I would like to see Rtz back in EG, I still feel its here he belong... and I probably should hate him for all the leaving and shit, I just cant... He's just a boy who loves dota :D

Im really curious to see how this shuffle unfolds tho, exciting stuff
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