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i dont really get the zyori part, so she thought she should sleep with him or her carrer will end before it startet and he didnt realised it and plus a stupid lie to "friends"?
But all the other cases this is going to be a thing the next time.
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Idk the zyori one seems like a thing a highschooler would do. There's no implication that zyori used his position to pressure her into it, just words and wanting to be part of the cool group.
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Lalalaland34510 Posts
From what I gather... He was attracted to her. He, as part of the established club, unintentionally was in a position of power over her. She was ambitious and felt pressured into sleeping with him, something he denies was intentional. He then did an awkward thing when he joked about her period, which she interpreted as blackmail.
Unfortunate for both sides, a horrible experience then for her, a horrible revelation for him now. In my opinion nowhere near as bad as other allegations.
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Hope he doesnt get caught in a witch hunt.
To the others like Grant, LD, Godz show business is ugly but fuck em.
@Firebolt145
Yeah the photo part was really stupid
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I mean the whole zyori situation is highschool level of stupid and should be clearly separated from the rest, as it has already shown, we will focus on that because we believe it unfair to have zyori on the same podium as the other allegations.
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Right. I wasn't quite sure how to phrase it. The woman clearly felt pressured, but in a way that zyori could have missed it. Mywife described it as "really poor communication skills".
Most of the really bad stuff that isn't about Grant is currently just rumors. For instance, in the post that started all of the stuff about him she alleged someone else was behaving even worse, and we don't know who :
And more from wickedcosplay (one was Grant)
She says she's making an anonymized list of incidents.
The only person with a truly serious set of allegations aside from Grant so far is red-eye, which is coming from the csgo scene instead. Ld and godz are accused of covering for Grant, which isn't active in the same way.
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Maybe i am wrong but where is the proof of this. Other then people claiming it. Grant admits it. But really before conviction people it should be going to the police and courts this is just to easy.
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I'm pretty amazed how everything qualifies as "sexual abuse"
its like ppl don't make a difference from grabbing someones hand against their will and rape.
not saying what grant did in the past was good. and alcohol is indeed not an excuse either. but damn, how can people be so sensitive about things and feel uncomfortable so quickly.
shit happens at every party tbh, which doesn't legitimize it, but still.
there should be some penalty, but things are blown WAY out of proportion to me. End someones career cuz of questionable behaviour when drunk at afterparties that doesn't qualify as "sexual harassment" to me is... weird.
the whole llama thing, well tbh 90% of the ppl that hear her cast didn't like it. she didn't have a career cuz she was terrible at what she was doing imo.
Now this part is not about grant but about online gaming.
woman having to be "on guard" just playing from home as a casual gamer feels pretty stupid to me. every gamer has to do that in online games if they are sensitive. ppl wish cancer upon me every month or "fucked my mom last night". the thing is, if you get into gaming, you should be aware these things are unavoidable. If anything, you learn to build a thick skin from these verbal things.
it used to be an enviornment of "get flamed, flame back harder" and things were fine. but nowdays ppl get into that enviornment and expect it to change.
wanna hear my honest opinion: if you hate the enviornment, how about you choose a different one instead of trying to change it so badly?
Not everything has to be for everyone. I'll just take football as an example. you won't be able to watch a football game in a pub with ppl swearing on each other and "discussing" certain situations without filter. you don't like these things? stay away from it.
Try to PC that culture. you won't. dota used to be like that for me, but its changing. and it's def less fun for me partly because of that
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Lalalaland34510 Posts
LD and Godz covering for Grant I can kinda understand... I can understand the instinctive nature of believing your popular friend who tells you they were going through a court case but it's been sorted out and all is good. It suggests naivety and ignorance, which they are not the only ones guilty of in the world.
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Am I missing something, or are the claims against Redeye, while undoubtedly horrid, not of a sexual nature? It seems that his behavior ought to be under a different heading than the thread of rampant sexual harrassment.
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Since this is the time of retribution, my fellow weebs and nerds unite against the the sexual harassment we have to endure by all those mindblowingly stupid tittystreaming girls on twitch that take shameless advantage of our virginity and our lack of confidence when dealing with real woman to milk us of our hard earned money and make us spent it on their streams!!!
I have been forced to release pressure in ungodly ways many times by their abusive visual online presence that leaves me no choice but to touch myself in pleasuring ways!
I cant take this anymore!!!
And dont you dare accusing me of making this up!
WE AS MAN HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS WOMAN TO STAND UP FOR OUR RIGHTS AND ACCUSE THOSE WHO WILLINGLY WRONG US!!!!
#mgtow
For real though, can this world get anymore stupid?!?!
User was temp banned for this post.
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Holy shit.
As far as i understood every nerd that talks more directly to girls is sexual harasser. WTF? I don't know Grant, he really seems like your typical nerd that never had a real girlfriend, yeah maybe he overdid some online talks, but if someone doesn't like online trash talks / trolling / spamming / hars language one should either ignore most of the population or never go online again. However if you guys take holding a person hand a little bit tighter a harassment you have a real problem in NA. Don't even want to mention the BLM situation.
I just want to ask out of curiosity - if you ask a woman to have sex with you, and she doesn't want - it is sexual harassment right? And if yes how da fak do you guys dare to ask a woman out?
Also who protects men feelings? If that is the situation how a normal teenager or young man should ever dare to ask a girl out? Guess what happens if he never dares( He starts to talk more bravely when he has a drink or two, and no if someone gets drunk sometimes that doesnt make him/her an alcoholic. Or a public threat). Maybe i got to start the movement #MenFeelingsMattter
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On June 24 2020 05:10 NInoff wrote:
Don't even want to mention the BLM situation.
Lol
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Italy12248 Posts
On June 24 2020 05:10 NInoff wrote:
As far as i understood
Yea you're not remotely close
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On June 24 2020 05:15 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2020 05:10 NInoff wrote:
Don't even want to mention the BLM situation. Lol
Well people should stop divinding themselves to black white, young, old, man, woman, hemale, shemale or whatever da fak they named themselves. Every life matters, every feeling does too. And if we don't stop the seperation things will get messy.
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On June 24 2020 05:23 NInoff wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2020 05:15 PassiveAce wrote:On June 24 2020 05:10 NInoff wrote:
Don't even want to mention the BLM situation. Lol Well people should stop divinding themselves to black white, young, old, man, woman, hemale, shemale or whatever da fak they named themselves. Every life matters, every feeling does too. And if we don't stop the seperation things will get messy.
Hemale lol
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Everything Grant has done is irredeemable and I'm glad all of this got outed. I think some of his past antics were easier to wave off as "well he was young/dumb/drunk" and people can change, although this new stuff is just completely way past being ok... ever.
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I am a upset a user got tempored banned because he/she made a ironic post about sexual harassment. I can see that being a being a wrongful act but slander is also a criminal act so i think this post as such could be banned. Why can u blame people of sexual harassment without any proof without more than twitter or other social media post. So i am going to report this post if this is going to be the case of justice.
Edit,; turns out that i can not report this post. Because some people on the staff can just make criminal accusation without any real proof and ban people that disagree or does not discues in a way they like. What kind of forum is this
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