EPTSexual Harassment In the Dota Scene - Page 2
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CorsairHero
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On June 24 2020 04:53 Circumstance wrote: Am I missing something, or are the claims against Redeye, while undoubtedly horrid, not of a sexual nature? It seems that his behavior ought to be under a different heading than the thread of rampant sexual harrassment. Supposedly it was retaliation for women refusing his advances. There isn't very much info about it. On June 24 2020 05:32 CorsairHero wrote: @nevuk the medium article doesnt work Thanks. Think I fixed it. medium.com | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
-Let me go! Let me go! -I did. You are still here. -No, you are squeezing my neck! -Thats not me. Thats your fear. -But i can hear your voice whispering in my ear. -Not me again. Those are your own thoughts. -I can feel your breath. -That is your desire. -What about your body pressed next to mine? -That is your urge. -Why am i trembling? -It is called passion. -Am i enchanted? -Is that a bad thing? -Am i cursed? -It is up to you. -Are you beautiful? -I am as your fantasy made me. -Are you going to kill me? -No. You are going to live. -Is it going to hurt? -Only in the begining. Life is easier without a hearth. -Am i going to be better. -You are always going to be better. -I don't believe you. -i don't lie, You are lying to yourself. -Let me go please! -You have to let me go. -How do i save myself? -Open your eyes. -Will i see you? -You will see yourself. | ||
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Aznupdown
Canada318 Posts
On June 24 2020 05:31 Sapaio wrote: I am a upset a user got tempored banned because he/she made a ironic post about sexual harassment. I can see that being a being a wrongful act but slander is also a criminal act so i think this post as such could be banned. Why can u blame people of sexual harassment without any proof without more than twitter or other social media post. So i am going to report this post if this is going to be the case of justice. Edit,; turns out that i can not report this post. Because some people on the staff can just make criminal accusation without any real proof and ban people that disagree or does not discues in a way they like. What kind of forum is this The first sentence in the article says "claims". These are all claims with screen shots and links to where the harassment claims are coming from. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On June 24 2020 05:31 Sapaio wrote: I am a upset a user got tempored banned because he/she made a ironic post about sexual harassment. I can see that being a being a wrongful act but slander is also a criminal act so i think this post as such could be banned. Why can u blame people of sexual harassment without any proof without more than twitter or other social media post. So i am going to report this post if this is going to be the case of justice. Edit,; turns out that i can not report this post. Because some people on the staff can just make criminal accusation without any real proof and ban people that disagree or does not discues in a way they like. What kind of forum is this We are reporting on the allegations. That is all these are : some of them, like Zyori's, had mitigating info come out later. If any mitigating info comes out we will attach it to the OP. None of these have been proven in a court of law (aside from one of Grant's things), but many DotA personalities have been discussing it for the past few days, giving it as examples of what they perceived as a hostile environment to women. However, do keep in mind that many of these are as of yet unproven allegations. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On June 24 2020 05:35 Nevuk wrote: Supposedly it was retaliation for women refusing his advances. There isn't very much info about it. Thanks. Think I fixed it. medium.com remove the break in the link lol | ||
TheEmulator
28104 Posts
On June 24 2020 05:31 Sapaio wrote: I am a upset a user got tempored banned because he/she made a ironic post about sexual harassment. I can see that being a being a wrongful act but slander is also a criminal act so i think this post as such could be banned. Why can u blame people of sexual harassment without any proof without more than twitter or other social media post. So i am going to report this post if this is going to be the case of justice. Edit,; turns out that i can not report this post. Because some people on the staff can just make criminal accusation without any real proof and ban people that disagree or does not discues in a way they like. What kind of forum is this Literally no one on our staff has even slightly made any kind of criminal accusation. This thread is for the discussion of info that is publically available on reddit/twitter. None of the accusations are from us in any way. | ||
Firebolt145
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34510 Posts
On June 24 2020 05:10 NInoff wrote: Holy shit. As far as i understood every nerd that talks more directly to girls is sexual harasser. WTF? I don't know Grant, he really seems like your typical nerd that never had a real girlfriend, yeah maybe he overdid some online talks, but if someone doesn't like online trash talks / trolling / spamming / hars language one should either ignore most of the population or never go online again. However if you guys take holding a person hand a little bit tighter a harassment you have a real problem in NA. Don't even want to mention the BLM situation. I just want to ask out of curiosity - if you ask a woman to have sex with you, and she doesn't want - it is sexual harassment right? And if yes how da fak do you guys dare to ask a woman out? Also who protects men feelings? If that is the situation how a normal teenager or young man should ever dare to ask a girl out? Guess what happens if he never dares( He starts to talk more bravely when he has a drink or two, and no if someone gets drunk sometimes that doesnt make him/her an alcoholic. Or a public threat). Maybe i got to start the movement #MenFeelingsMattter You're far off the point. Please, open your mind up to the possibility that what is happening is not okay. Asking a girl out is not sexual harassment. What Grant did is not just asking a girl out. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On June 24 2020 05:46 TheEmulator wrote: Literally no one on our staff has even slightly made any kind of criminal accusation. This thread is for the discussion of info that is publically available on reddit/twitter. None of the accusations are from us in any way. Ok if this is just a discussion thread. Then if you ban one person of making comments and not another person post. We must presume that you would favor one persons views over another. For me you ban an post that is ironic and satirical but not post that are slandar. So I would presume that liquid support this view and since you started the thread banning people disagreeing it seems obivious | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34510 Posts
On June 24 2020 05:58 Sapaio wrote: Ok if this is just a discussion thread. Then if you ban one person of making comments and not another person post. We must presume that you would favor one persons views over another. For me you ban an post that is ironic and satirical but not post that are slandar. So I would presume that liquid support this view and since you started the thread banning people disagreeing it seems obivious Please show me where the slander is. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
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TheEmulator
28104 Posts
I'd also like to know why this guy thinks being ironic and satirical in a situation as serious as this is in any way ok. | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
About the WIcked situation - so you also assumed that he drugged her? OMG. Then because she heard that someone said that he hates her and you get that for a fact? Maybe he does after she was ignoring him for months, and he feels ashamed rejected and embarrassed. Maybe the friend made that up. Maybe the friend told some lies to Grant also.How do you know that he remembers something? How do you know what happened, and if anything happened? How do you know that he drugged her? Because that is the only case that he did something wrong. I've seen people pass out after 50ml of whiskey. If someone gets drunk because the drink was "really fucking good" and someone drank it in one go and doesnt remember, its not true that someone else did that to him/her. If you get drunk to a point that you don't remember and then you have fears about what you did is not someone elses fault.... and did you embarass your self? - almost certainly. DId you have sex with other people? Probably... Most people did that in their youth,a nd if you are ashamed of it don't get drunk as simple as that. See i too assume that she got drunk the same way many people assumed that he drugged her.... pointless argument . Since i don't know Wicked i'm going to assume one more thing - since her dota career is not that good she decided to move in to golddigging. ( Wicked don't worry i don't really think that just making a point) Assumptions in cases like that are useless. As is the whole discussion without proof. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
LD and Godz covering for Grant I can kinda understand... I can understand the instinctive nature of believing your popular friend who tells you they were going through a court case but it's been sorted out and all is good. It suggests naivety and ignorance, which they are not the only ones guilty of in the world. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On June 24 2020 06:13 TheEmulator wrote: I'd also like to know why this guy thinks being ironic and satirical in a situation as serious as this is in any way ok. comedians discuss serious situations in their acts all the time the guy who got banned made a trash tier post though | ||
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TheEmulator
28104 Posts
On June 24 2020 06:17 CorsairHero wrote: comedians discuss serious situations in their acts all the time the guy who got banned made a trash tier post though I agree, but they usually do it in a comedic setting and not immediately as the issues are ongoing. The ones that do that usually get in major shit over it. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
So the post and discuession you link to is not to support your views on the subject. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
Which should be used as grounds for the discussion. | ||
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