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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 24 2018 19:33 GMT
#185521
On January 25 2018 04:26 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 04:17 Plansix wrote:
One of the issues with law enforcement data is that there is no mandatory reporting requirements. Or requirement to collect data. The net result seems to be that departments that are good report their data, departments that suck or are abusivr resist reporting.

Florida, for instance, doesn’t even collect data on the use of lethal force.

That's florida though. It's legal to stalk someone and shoot them there.

Not any more. That law got overturned because it requires the prosecution to prove a negative.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
January 24 2018 19:37 GMT
#185522
On January 25 2018 04:33 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 04:26 Nevuk wrote:
On January 25 2018 04:17 Plansix wrote:
One of the issues with law enforcement data is that there is no mandatory reporting requirements. Or requirement to collect data. The net result seems to be that departments that are good report their data, departments that suck or are abusivr resist reporting.

Florida, for instance, doesn’t even collect data on the use of lethal force.

That's florida though. It's legal to stalk someone and shoot them there.

Not any more. That law got overturned because it requires the prosecution to prove a negative.

That's good. Place is still nuts though.
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2851 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-24 19:40:19
January 24 2018 19:39 GMT
#185523
My experience involving police racism is only from living in small-town Ontario, Calgary, and Vancouver. The way the police interact with natives (first nations?) in those three places in the times I lived there were completely different. In Ontario, it was more-or-less understood that the various peoples were their own peoples, and letting them be them while trying to make sure they don't die. This was largely after a fairly major thing happened actually really close to where I was living , so the swing towards very tentative, very cautious care was more legally motivated than heartfelt.

In Vancouver... Vancouver is so fucking culturally diverse that it felt like it would be nigh on impossible for the police at large to maintain any overall bias.

Calgary feels predominately white with an interspersing of natives. Not anywhere near as familiar with the native population here as I was in Ontario, but I dated a native girl briefly and learned a bunch then. Just from observation it feels like the stereotype of drunk/alcoholic natives is perpetuated, but I honestly haven't seen any unique police interaction one way or the other. One thing I notice is that I get a hell of a lot less information on what reserve or tribe any native person is from. In Ontario it was a badge / thing of pride to share with others, in Calgary nobody seems to give a shit.

Which is kinda sad. I digressed, but the whole first nations thing is super interesting to me.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
January 24 2018 19:43 GMT
#185524
The esports lawyer guy had a nice point :
Honestly, I don't think enough people are appreciating the high comedy of the final sentence of Valve's statement: "In general, everyone should play nice together, and we think the boundaries should be pretty clear." This is so far from the truth - it's actually the heart of the issue.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 24 2018 19:53 GMT
#185525
On January 25 2018 03:56 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
I'm talking a class on the police
We were given two choices for articles to read on what the police are, and debated it today.

One said whites made an alliance to perpetuate racial inequality through the police and that they must be abolished. They also perpetuate poverty across racial lines, and are not necessary to society.
The other said the police are the hand of the law, characterized by their ability to use force and respond to any situation that is needed, additionally sometimes dictating how the law works.

There were 16 kids in the class. One kid did not read either one. Guess how many kids read the first one.
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: How many kids read the first one?

14-12 (3)
 
50%

15 (2)
 
33%

1-3 (1)
 
17%

9-11 (0)
 
0%

7-8 (0)
 
0%

4-6 (0)
 
0%

0 (0)
 
0%

6 total votes

Your vote: How many kids read the first one?

(Vote): 15
(Vote): 14-12
(Vote): 9-11
(Vote): 7-8
(Vote): 4-6
(Vote): 1-3
(Vote): 0


Answer:
+ Show Spoiler +
14, I was the only person who read the second and had to debate the rest of the class, including an actual sjw

What is an "actual sjw", I wonder?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 24 2018 19:54 GMT
#185526
On January 25 2018 04:39 Fleetfeet wrote:
My experience involving police racism is only from living in small-town Ontario, Calgary, and Vancouver. The way the police interact with natives (first nations?) in those three places in the times I lived there were completely different. In Ontario, it was more-or-less understood that the various peoples were their own peoples, and letting them be them while trying to make sure they don't die. This was largely after a fairly major thing happened actually really close to where I was living , so the swing towards very tentative, very cautious care was more legally motivated than heartfelt.

In Vancouver... Vancouver is so fucking culturally diverse that it felt like it would be nigh on impossible for the police at large to maintain any overall bias.

Calgary feels predominately white with an interspersing of natives. Not anywhere near as familiar with the native population here as I was in Ontario, but I dated a native girl briefly and learned a bunch then. Just from observation it feels like the stereotype of drunk/alcoholic natives is perpetuated, but I honestly haven't seen any unique police interaction one way or the other. One thing I notice is that I get a hell of a lot less information on what reserve or tribe any native person is from. In Ontario it was a badge / thing of pride to share with others, in Calgary nobody seems to give a shit.

Which is kinda sad. I digressed, but the whole first nations thing is super interesting to me.

Racism in the US is a unique issue. Unlike many other modern nations, we had to go to war to end slavery. And you can chart the path to that war from our first political conflicts when we founded the country. Like classism in the UK, it is something that is hard to express people from other nations. On top of that, we are huge.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 24 2018 19:54 GMT
#185527
On January 25 2018 04:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2018 04:18 Fleetfeet wrote:
On January 25 2018 04:08 SKC wrote:
Somewhere between 0% and 100% depending who you ask and what "perpetuating racial inequality" means to them.


Also super depends on where you are.

It is one of the problems with the narrative around police reform. It isn’t a national problem. But police departments make it into a national issue to shield themselves. The LA PD is not the Boston PD is not the Dallas PD. Chicago’s problem are not Baltimore’s problems.

Well some of police funding from federal levels and federal guidelines are issues

but otherwise agreed!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 24 2018 19:59 GMT
#185528
On January 25 2018 04:43 Nevuk wrote:
The esports lawyer guy had a nice point :
Show nested quote +
Honestly, I don't think enough people are appreciating the high comedy of the final sentence of Valve's statement: "In general, everyone should play nice together, and we think the boundaries should be pretty clear." This is so far from the truth - it's actually the heart of the issue.

Also the concept of playing nice in a media space where everyone is just trying to make a living is pretty rich. The heart of the issue is that Valve keeps most of the Esports dollars for themselves and makes everyone scrap for whatever is left, while also making all the super unclear rules.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-24 20:33:24
January 24 2018 20:32 GMT
#185529
On January 25 2018 03:56 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
I'm talking a class on the police
We were given two choices for articles to read on what the police are, and debated it today.

One said whites made an alliance to perpetuate racial inequality through the police and that they must be abolished. They also perpetuate poverty across racial lines, and are not necessary to society.
The other said the police are the hand of the law, characterized by their ability to use force and respond to any situation that is needed, additionally sometimes dictating how the law works.

There were 16 kids in the class. One kid did not read either one. Guess how many kids read the first one.
+ Show Spoiler +
Poll: How many kids read the first one?

14-12 (3)
 
50%

15 (2)
 
33%

1-3 (1)
 
17%

9-11 (0)
 
0%

7-8 (0)
 
0%

4-6 (0)
 
0%

0 (0)
 
0%

6 total votes

Your vote: How many kids read the first one?

(Vote): 15
(Vote): 14-12
(Vote): 9-11
(Vote): 7-8
(Vote): 4-6
(Vote): 1-3
(Vote): 0


Answer:
+ Show Spoiler +
14, I was the only person who read the second and had to debate the rest of the class, including an actual sjw

i'm so triggered actually

actually triggers me as hard as people misquoting franklin
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-24 20:56:22
January 24 2018 20:56 GMT
#185530
"playing support is so much less stressful than playing a core, personally. No one cares if you play like shit as long as there are wards" -Benjamin Franklin
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-24 21:05:21
January 24 2018 21:05 GMT
#185531
I like putting a ", probably" after citing somebody entirely incorrectly
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Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
January 24 2018 21:08 GMT
#185532
"The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes."-Benjamin Franklin
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
January 24 2018 21:12 GMT
#185533
"I didn't say half the things I said" - Yogi Berra, probably.
LiquidDota Staff
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 24 2018 21:20 GMT
#185534
man i tried to watch some part of tobi's new show and it was AWFUL jeeez
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
January 24 2018 21:20 GMT
#185535
Is it comparable to purge coaching day9?
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 24 2018 21:26 GMT
#185536
purge coaching day 9 can be decent considering it's actual dota gameplay some amount of the time, day 9 is a pleasant personality, and it's mostly not contrived, awkward and unbearable.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
January 24 2018 21:36 GMT
#185537
A quiz gaming show... why.

Why not just do a freaking talk show, like a normal person?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 24 2018 21:41 GMT
#185538
What Day 9 lacks raw talent at any specific video game is made up for by his communication skills. Personal taste aside, he can talk about his thought process and play the game better than most pros, even if his observations are not spot on. And Purge is Purge. Dry humor and a flat delivery of dota terms.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
January 24 2018 21:49 GMT
#185539
If you want to be entertained you can do whatever you want but if you wanna git gud i wouldnt advise watching a 2k being coached by a 6k Xd
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28104 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-24 21:58:32
January 24 2018 21:54 GMT
#185540
On January 25 2018 06:49 gaymon wrote:
If you want to be entertained you can do whatever you want but if you wanna git gud i wouldnt advise watching a 2k being coached by a 6k Xd

TBH I disagree a bit although I guess it depends on what you mean by "git gud". If you want to get on the leaderboards then this isn't the show for you, but it's honestly one of the best starting points for people completely new to the game. I wouldn't say its only benefit is solely entertainment.

It's like saying Torte's guides are bad which I also disagree with because they honestly work for a very large percentage of the playerbase. If you want to hit 5k+ then yea you're gonna have to come up with your own item choices on the spot in order to win games, but for most people having that baseline cookie cutter build is gonna be better than YOLOing it.
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