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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
March 10 2015 15:46 GMT
#15221
On March 11 2015 00:38 Shaella wrote:
oh god fucking Leddit
'Why are there no black pro players'

stop it hurts, just stop.

'cause they're too busy bodying fools at fightan games.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 10 2015 15:46 GMT
#15222
On March 11 2015 00:46 Acritter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 00:38 Shaella wrote:
oh god fucking Leddit
'Why are there no black pro players'

stop it hurts, just stop.

'cause they're too busy bodying fools at fightan games.

i mean you're not wrong.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 15:48:23
March 10 2015 15:47 GMT
#15223
On March 11 2015 00:44 Comeh wrote:
DAE enjoy being a white or asian male from ages 16-25 playing competitive video games living with their parents or attending school or working an entry level position?

I mean, we have a pretty decent level of diversity across most of Dota. Not perfect and not enough ladies, but what is. It is sort of weird that there isn't a single black pro. But I'm just going to chalk it up to chance. But its not a bad discussion to have, unless you get upset about people having discussions about diversity.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
March 10 2015 15:49 GMT
#15224
On March 11 2015 00:47 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 00:44 Comeh wrote:
DAE enjoy being a white or asian male from ages 16-25 playing competitive video games living with their parents or attending school or working an entry level position?

I mean, we have a pretty decent level of diversity across most of Dota. It is sort of weird that there isn't a single black pro. But I'm just going to chalk it up to chance. But its not a bad discussion to have, unless you get upset about people having discussions about diversity.


aren't they mostly into fighting, shooting, and sports?
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 15:52:55
March 10 2015 15:50 GMT
#15225
Of course I'm not wrong. Different ethnic groups correlate to different socioeconomic positions (due primarily to historical reasons) which contribute to different cultural settings which include different pastimes.

Rich kids get computers. Poor kids go to arcades. Korean and Chinese kids play at PC cafes. Japanese kids go to their own arcades.

The only real factor is what all your friends do growing up.

This is basically the question: "Why are there more black people playing basketball than hockey?" Gee, I sure wonder. Could it be something to do with it being easier to put up hoops than rinks in the inner city?
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 10 2015 15:51 GMT
#15226
something like that yeah.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 15:54:37
March 10 2015 15:52 GMT
#15227
On March 11 2015 00:49 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 00:47 Plansix wrote:
On March 11 2015 00:44 Comeh wrote:
DAE enjoy being a white or asian male from ages 16-25 playing competitive video games living with their parents or attending school or working an entry level position?

I mean, we have a pretty decent level of diversity across most of Dota. It is sort of weird that there isn't a single black pro. But I'm just going to chalk it up to chance. But its not a bad discussion to have, unless you get upset about people having discussions about diversity.


aren't they mostly into fighting, shooting, and sports?

I mean sure, but its weird that there isn't a single one that is even on any of our radar. Its not bad unless someone is claiming that racism is the reason they don't get into the Dota pro scene. Beyond that, its just a discussion that people are having and thats not to bad.

Edit: what Acritter said too, there are economic reasons why they don't play too. PC gaming is an expensive hobby and you need pretty solid internet to play as well, both which are not available everywhere. Consoles are cheaper.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 10 2015 15:52 GMT
#15228
On March 11 2015 00:49 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 00:47 Plansix wrote:
On March 11 2015 00:44 Comeh wrote:
DAE enjoy being a white or asian male from ages 16-25 playing competitive video games living with their parents or attending school or working an entry level position?

I mean, we have a pretty decent level of diversity across most of Dota. It is sort of weird that there isn't a single black pro. But I'm just going to chalk it up to chance. But its not a bad discussion to have, unless you get upset about people having discussions about diversity.


aren't they mostly into fighting, shooting, and sports?

Yes. No times for videogames
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 15:58:54
March 10 2015 15:55 GMT
#15229
Also a huge chunk of the known western dota players are from europe/CIS, and well, there just isn't quite the same kind of diversity here as there is in for example the US which also thins it down. There are far bigger chances of the US producing a black pro dota player than the europe/CIS regions.

I mean even just in denmark with recent surges of immigration 90~95% of the population is still natively danish(thus white).
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
March 10 2015 16:02 GMT
#15230
On March 11 2015 00:52 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 00:49 BluemoonSC wrote:
On March 11 2015 00:47 Plansix wrote:
On March 11 2015 00:44 Comeh wrote:
DAE enjoy being a white or asian male from ages 16-25 playing competitive video games living with their parents or attending school or working an entry level position?

I mean, we have a pretty decent level of diversity across most of Dota. It is sort of weird that there isn't a single black pro. But I'm just going to chalk it up to chance. But its not a bad discussion to have, unless you get upset about people having discussions about diversity.


aren't they mostly into fighting, shooting, and sports?

I mean sure, but its weird that there isn't a single one that is even on any of our radar. Its not bad unless someone is claiming that racism is the reason they don't get into the Dota pro scene. Beyond that, its just a discussion that people are having and thats not to bad.

Edit: what Acritter said too, there are economic reasons why they don't play too. PC gaming is an expensive hobby and you need pretty solid internet to play as well, both which are not available everywhere. Consoles are cheaper.

DOTA2 is also a game where you really, really need friends to play with (not just against) in order to get good. That exaggerates the economic and cultural obstacles.

We can put it this way in a sort of list-of-requirements.
Requirements to be a pro fightan player:
1. Skill, time, and dedication.
2. A really good local scene to play with.

Requirements to be a pro DOTA2 player:
1. Skill, time, and dedication.
2. Money to sink into computer/internet.
3. A group of friends who have 1 and 2.

When you consider how hard it is to even get one of these requirements (what percentile of wealth do you think you need to be in to have #2 for pro DOTA2?), you can see why even one more requirement can knock an entire race out of the competitive scene.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
March 10 2015 16:03 GMT
#15231
On March 11 2015 00:52 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 00:49 BluemoonSC wrote:
On March 11 2015 00:47 Plansix wrote:
On March 11 2015 00:44 Comeh wrote:
DAE enjoy being a white or asian male from ages 16-25 playing competitive video games living with their parents or attending school or working an entry level position?

I mean, we have a pretty decent level of diversity across most of Dota. It is sort of weird that there isn't a single black pro. But I'm just going to chalk it up to chance. But its not a bad discussion to have, unless you get upset about people having discussions about diversity.


aren't they mostly into fighting, shooting, and sports?

Yes. No times for videogames


That was brutal.
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
March 10 2015 16:04 GMT
#15232
On March 11 2015 00:50 Acritter wrote:
Of course I'm not wrong. Different ethnic groups correlate to different socioeconomic positions (due primarily to historical reasons) which contribute to different cultural settings which include different pastimes.

Rich kids get computers. Poor kids go to arcades. Korean and Chinese kids play at PC cafes. Japanese kids go to their own arcades.

The only real factor is what all your friends do growing up.

This is basically the question: "Why are there more black people playing basketball than hockey?" Gee, I sure wonder. Could it be something to do with it being easier to put up hoops than rinks in the inner city?

all my earliest gaming memories are of arcades and pc cafes

y do i suk at every game still
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 10 2015 16:04 GMT
#15233
Dam where's greenhorizons to tell us what life is really like as a black person
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Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
March 10 2015 16:05 GMT
#15234
On March 11 2015 01:04 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 00:50 Acritter wrote:
Of course I'm not wrong. Different ethnic groups correlate to different socioeconomic positions (due primarily to historical reasons) which contribute to different cultural settings which include different pastimes.

Rich kids get computers. Poor kids go to arcades. Korean and Chinese kids play at PC cafes. Japanese kids go to their own arcades.

The only real factor is what all your friends do growing up.

This is basically the question: "Why are there more black people playing basketball than hockey?" Gee, I sure wonder. Could it be something to do with it being easier to put up hoops than rinks in the inner city?

all my earliest gaming memories are of arcades and pc cafes

y do i suk at every game still

Because it's incredibly fucking rare to have the kind of native skill to let you go pro.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 10 2015 16:06 GMT
#15235
probably posting in the gurl gaemers thread making fun of MRAs or something.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
March 10 2015 16:06 GMT
#15236
w0w ecstasy and crystal meth and some other drugs are legal in ireland today lmao

http://www.thejournal.ie/tds-emergency-laws-drugs-1983239-Mar2015/
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
March 10 2015 16:08 GMT
#15237
If I were in charge of drug legalization, meth is not the first thing I would send into the happy realm of legality.

Holy shit can that stuff go bad.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28101 Posts
March 10 2015 16:08 GMT
#15238
Any black people here who can be the Dota 2 chosen one?
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Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
March 10 2015 16:08 GMT
#15239
It's funny that this topic came up. I read a study from a close professor friend of mine who went out to interview youth and young men about the current gaming culture. White people liked to play games cuz they are fun but asians played also games but games so it goes hand in hand. Asian youth are also very serious in their school work and use gaming as a way to relax but they are still games. Gaming is a good tool for relaxing but they can also be competitive, but both still count as games compared to sports or racing. People get drawn to fighting games cuz they can knock someone down in the game but still not get in trouble in real life so it's like saying to ur opponent that you owned him when u beat him in the game but he wont do anytyhing in real life unless he is psycho but then u call the cops hehe

My point is that we all play games because games are what they are but not always what u think so u gotta make it what u want it to be i think future games will make it easier for the youth to do that if future game makers broader their vision for their games i hope they manage to do that for the sake of future gaming!
[13:40] <Qbek> gosi i dreanmt about you
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 10 2015 16:09 GMT
#15240
actually i just looked into the gurl gaemers thread now and its still awful

Goddamn i love people talking about game and game design with just how the 'feel' about the situation as their guiding compass.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
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