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DaMuffinman
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1705 Posts
June 29 2015 16:08 GMT
#48721
Steam has built in streaming capabilities so I doubt there will be something special for reborn.

I mean just stream on Steam or get OBS for Twitch.
But does it djent?
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 29 2015 16:10 GMT
#48722
so basically pc hardware advances are slowing? so now's a good time to pick up a high end computer?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 29 2015 16:13 GMT
#48723
On June 30 2015 01:10 ahswtini wrote:
so basically pc hardware advances are slowing? so now's a good time to pick up a high end computer?

In a practical sense, yes.
My understanding regarding why tech used to progress much more quickly was due to the downsizing of the transistor - the elementary building block in electronic hardware and digital circuits. However, for according to the laws of physics, you can't continuously downsize things indefinitely and still have them behave. At a certain size, physical matter will begin to obey the laws of quantum mechanics, and we're not quite at the point where we can design/build fully functional quantum computers. As far as the more traditional computer goes, the relative advancement's slowing down quite a lot compared to a number of years ago.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 29 2015 16:16 GMT
#48724
On June 30 2015 01:13 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 01:10 ahswtini wrote:
so basically pc hardware advances are slowing? so now's a good time to pick up a high end computer?

In a practical sense, yes.
My understanding regarding why tech used to progress much more quickly was due to the downsizing of the transistor - the elementary building block in electronic hardware and digital circuits. However, for according to the laws of physics, you can't continuously downsize things indefinitely and still have them behave. At a certain size, physical matter will begin to obey the laws of quantum mechanics, and we're not quite at the point where we can design/build fully functional quantum computers. As far as the more traditional computer goes, the relative advancement's slowing down quite a lot compared to a number of years ago.

yup

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law

for those interested
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dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
June 29 2015 16:35 GMT
#48725
On June 30 2015 00:47 teddyoojo wrote:
yes but i dont wanna have an outdated pc again in 2-3 years

also i would never sellout and actually coach

pcs are always outdated in 2 years, n3rd. ~.~
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 29 2015 16:35 GMT
#48726
On June 30 2015 01:35 dismiss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 00:47 teddyoojo wrote:
yes but i dont wanna have an outdated pc again in 2-3 years

also i would never sellout and actually coach

pcs are always outdated in 2 years, n3rd. ~.~

Juuust because a game can't run at a full 69fps doesn't mean that it's "outdated."
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dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-29 16:56:52
June 29 2015 16:41 GMT
#48727
On June 30 2015 01:10 ahswtini wrote:
so basically pc hardware advances are slowing? so now's a good time to pick up a high end computer?

A good time would be this September. Intel will release its new generation of cpus. Generally I'd say buy for the moment, but it's not a long wait and skylake will have a lot of actually useful/potentially relevant consumer features that currently are limited to the enthusiast platform. It always comes with a new socket, so you can't upgrade from a mobo you could currently buy.

The big problem apart from node shrinkage becoming harder and harder to accomplish is the fact that there's basically a monopoly in both the cpu and gpu market since amd isn't capable to compete at anything but the entry level in the consumer space. I'd bet you loads of money that intel could easily produce a significantly better cpu right now, but there's really no reason to. So they just stick to their 5-10% IPC gain per new release cycle.
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HighTimeDotA
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada1412 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-29 17:24:50
June 29 2015 17:14 GMT
#48728
waiting is for noobs, unless youre lazy and poor. even if you work a low wage job you can have urself a good computer in a week.

CPUs make minimal impact on fps unless you buy amd. Any Intel oced above 4ghz is plenty. New 16nm gpu won't be out for at least a year.
rtz is like the Bieber of dota, true Canadian treasure.
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3317 Posts
June 29 2015 17:17 GMT
#48729
Well if we talk about CPU's only then yeah, its slowing down. But I think graphics still have some ways to go and SSDs will keep expanding on size for some time as well. Memory can still expect some upgrades, especially on the bus side of things, memory access is still pretty slow when compared to cache (and disks even slower but we won't see a leap like SSDs for some time).
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 29 2015 17:22 GMT
#48730
Are SSDs even 512gb yet? I don't keep up with it but you definitely make an excellent point.
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7086 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-29 17:27:39
June 29 2015 17:26 GMT
#48731
You can buy 1 TB SSDs but they're very expensive (they go anywhere from $350 to $500)
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 29 2015 17:27 GMT
#48732
Damn that's a lot better than I thought, especially since a friend bought a gaming laptop with a 256'er last year.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 29 2015 17:28 GMT
#48733
On June 30 2015 02:22 IntoTheheart wrote:
Are SSDs even 512gb yet? I don't keep up with it but you definitely make an excellent point.

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memory access has miles to go still
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-29 17:29:25
June 29 2015 17:28 GMT
#48734
On June 30 2015 02:22 IntoTheheart wrote:
Are SSDs even 512gb yet? I don't keep up with it but you definitely make an excellent point.

its about 50-60 cents a GB

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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7086 Posts
June 29 2015 17:29 GMT
#48735
SSDs are still ridiculously expensive tho

a 1 TB HDD is maybe $75 at most, a 1 TB SSD is going to run you $400
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-29 17:32:15
June 29 2015 17:29 GMT
#48736
500gb ssds are pretty cheap now (you can regularly find recent models for ~160 usd). 1tb are getting there. 16nm gpus are going to be a big jump in performance. they've been stuck on 28nm for a long time.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-29 17:30:45
June 29 2015 17:30 GMT
#48737
i usually keep windows installed on a smaller ssd and leave the rest on a 1tb hdd
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
June 29 2015 17:30 GMT
#48738
On June 30 2015 02:28 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 02:22 IntoTheheart wrote:
Are SSDs even 512gb yet? I don't keep up with it but you definitely make an excellent point.

its about 50-60 cents a GB

targe showing how baller he is

had it like 2 years now bby
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 29 2015 17:31 GMT
#48739
On June 30 2015 02:28 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 02:22 IntoTheheart wrote:
Are SSDs even 512gb yet? I don't keep up with it but you definitely make an excellent point.

its about 50-60 cents a GB

targe showing how baller he is

Yeah, certainly the realest G that ever posted on LD. =/
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
June 29 2015 17:33 GMT
#48740
On June 30 2015 01:41 dismiss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 01:10 ahswtini wrote:
so basically pc hardware advances are slowing? so now's a good time to pick up a high end computer?

A good time would be this September. Intel will release its new generation of cpus. Generally I'd say buy for the moment, but it's not a long wait and skylake will have a lot of actually useful/potentially relevant consumer features that currently are limited to the enthusiast platform. It always comes with a new socket, so you can't upgrade from a mobo you could currently buy.

The big problem apart from node shrinkage becoming harder and harder to accomplish is the fact that there's basically a monopoly in both the cpu and gpu market since amd isn't capable to compete at anything but the entry level in the consumer space. I'd bet you loads of money that intel could easily produce a significantly better cpu right now, but there's really no reason to. So they just stick to their 5-10% IPC gain per new release cycle.

well skylake is still the same broadwell architecture
iirc on paper the dieshrink should net you ~10-20% performance for same wattage and processor size, so you can decide if you want to wait & shell out extra $

on the same tangent from what I've experienced gaming laptops are the stupidest things
you're paying $X amount for a gtx980m when it performs marginally worse than a gtx780

i know it's stupid to compare mobile chips to desktop ones, but if you're using the thing as a desktop replacement, the chips are underclocked and have a low thermal ceiling.
I'd rather buy a pc with parts from last year than a new gaming laptop, and save up for an chromebook/ultrabook/macbook air if you really want computing on the go
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