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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 07 2015 20:04 GMT
#42181
On June 08 2015 04:59 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 04:54 eieio wrote:
On June 08 2015 04:52 TheYango wrote:
On June 08 2015 04:45 SKC wrote:
The game is 100% a moba though. Hard to market it as anything else.

In the sense that moba implicitly refers to a game that follows the basic gameplay structure of DotA or LoL, it's so unlike either that the comparison simply doesn't do Blizzard any favors.

Whether intentionally or not (and if it's intentional, I think Blizzard's marketing department is retarded), the only thing the "moba" moniker does is set up HotS in competition with DotA and LoL--which IMO can only really serve to lose them customers.

I mean someone at Blizzard let them release two games with the same acronym


i still can't believe that was a thing lol. i know that LotV is coming out this year but its been like a year where they had too titles like that

I blame focus testing and people in marketing. You know there were people at Blizzard who were as pissed at you are.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-07 20:08:50
June 07 2015 20:08 GMT
#42182
regardless of the game itself, the two biggest problems with hots imo is that it has a business model that's about as p2w as LoL in a 8 year old engine designed primarily for 1v1 that has horrific netcode and lacks a number of key platform features
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
June 07 2015 20:10 GMT
#42183
On June 08 2015 05:08 Kupon3ss wrote:
regardless of the game itself, the two biggest problems with hots imo is that it has a business model that's about as p2w as LoL in a 8 year old engine designed primarily for 1v1 that has horrific netcode and lacks a number of key platform features


can you elaborate on teh backend that makes it so bad?
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
June 07 2015 20:11 GMT
#42184
Blizzard hasn't made a non shit game since wc3, not sure why we still get our hopes up
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
June 07 2015 20:24 GMT
#42185
On June 08 2015 05:08 Kupon3ss wrote:
regardless of the game itself, the two biggest problems with hots imo is that it has a business model that's about as p2w as LoL in a 8 year old engine designed primarily for 1v1 that has horrific netcode and lacks a number of key platform features

what's it based on
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-07 20:31:49
June 07 2015 20:31 GMT
#42186
think he's talking about the sc2 engine / bnet 2.0
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-07 20:33:49
June 07 2015 20:32 GMT
#42187
On June 08 2015 05:24 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 05:08 Kupon3ss wrote:
regardless of the game itself, the two biggest problems with hots imo is that it has a business model that's about as p2w as LoL in a 8 year old engine designed primarily for 1v1 that has horrific netcode and lacks a number of key platform features

what's it based on

HotS is the SC2 engine.

Actually kupo is probably talking about Bnet 2.0 because SC2 is five years old.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
June 07 2015 20:33 GMT
#42188
hots uses the same engine as hots
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
June 07 2015 20:37 GMT
#42189
On June 08 2015 05:33 eieio wrote:
hots uses the same engine as hots


haha get it bc there are two games with teh same acronym haha
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
June 07 2015 20:38 GMT
#42190
Sc2 is 5 years old but it's engine is from 2007
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 07 2015 20:44 GMT
#42191
i remember the hots option menu even had options that only made sense in sc2, it was essentially the same game
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-07 20:56:03
June 07 2015 20:46 GMT
#42192
if sc2's custom map editor was as good as wc3's it could just be an sc2 custom map haha ecks dee

god damn sn0's vocalization of that phrase is contagious
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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
June 07 2015 20:58 GMT
#42193
How does a game actually get a 6.5 from ibn, I didn't think it was possible for them to give Lee than an 8
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 07 2015 20:59 GMT
#42194
They have to do drafting in a third party website because the game doesn't support it lol
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
June 07 2015 21:02 GMT
#42195
steamwebhelper+the heat is killing my pc
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
June 07 2015 21:03 GMT
#42196
On June 08 2015 05:38 Kupon3ss wrote:
Sc2 is 5 years old but it's engine is from 2007

yea this is what i was referring to, i totes didnt know the underlying engine was so old
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 07 2015 21:05 GMT
#42197
On June 08 2015 05:59 SKC wrote:
They have to do drafting in a third party website because the game doesn't support it lol

TBH it's absolutely crazy to me that a game that shoehorns heroes into roles more tightly than LoL does force you to pick your hero before you've found teammates.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 07 2015 21:05 GMT
#42198
On June 08 2015 06:02 teddyoojo wrote:
steamwebhelper+the heat is killing my pc

yeah i think a recent steam patch broke the webhelper again
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
June 07 2015 21:12 GMT
#42199
how the fuck does blizzard ship a moba that they want to be played competitively without a way to fucking pick and ban heroes in game


It's kind of ridiculous how much of the stuff surrounding the actual game of Dota we take for granted
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
June 07 2015 21:13 GMT
#42200
there's a pick ban mode in the game.
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