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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
June 07 2015 19:38 GMT
#42161
On June 08 2015 04:32 Kupon3ss wrote:
The problem with the score is that the reviewer is approaching the game after having played and devoted significant time to both dota and lol instead of blizzard's target audience.

starcraft 2 players that are depressed about the dedness of game?
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 07 2015 19:38 GMT
#42162
On June 08 2015 04:30 l3loodraven wrote:
hai guize dae liek having opinions on other people's opinions??

wow much edgy nice
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 07 2015 19:38 GMT
#42163
The real problem is the review is that it has to have a score and people love scores more than reading reviews. I would be willing to bet most of the people arguing against the review didn't even read it, they just take ques from other peoples complaints.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
June 07 2015 19:38 GMT
#42164
On June 08 2015 04:38 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 04:32 Kupon3ss wrote:
The problem with the score is that the reviewer is approaching the game after having played and devoted significant time to both dota and lol instead of blizzard's target audience.

starcraft 2 players that are depressed about the dedness of game?


more like NA starcraft 2 "pros" that didn't cut it in sc2
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
June 07 2015 19:40 GMT
#42165
On June 08 2015 04:38 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 04:32 Kupon3ss wrote:
The problem with the score is that the reviewer is approaching the game after having played and devoted significant time to both dota and lol instead of blizzard's target audience.

starcraft 2 players that are depressed about the dedness of game?

judging from my friends that play hots its ppl that arent really good at this computer game thing
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
June 07 2015 19:41 GMT
#42166
Apparently muting players now silences pings? Thank Gaben.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-07 19:43:47
June 07 2015 19:42 GMT
#42167
On June 08 2015 04:32 Kupon3ss wrote:
The problem with the score is that the reviewer is approaching the game after having played and devoted significant time to both dota and lol instead of blizzard's target audience.

TBH, it's a problem Blizzard brought on themselves by marketing that game as a moba in the first place, when doing so is more or less shooting themselves in the foot.

If you market the game as a moba, of course they're going to get someone who's played a shitton of mobas to review it, and people are going to compare it to other mobas when it doesn't make all that much sense to from a gameplay perspective.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
June 07 2015 19:43 GMT
#42168
On June 08 2015 04:40 teddyoojo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 04:38 Comeh wrote:
On June 08 2015 04:32 Kupon3ss wrote:
The problem with the score is that the reviewer is approaching the game after having played and devoted significant time to both dota and lol instead of blizzard's target audience.

starcraft 2 players that are depressed about the dedness of game?

judging from my friends that play hots its ppl that arent really good at this computer game thing


i really wish it was better because i like all of the heroes
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
June 07 2015 19:45 GMT
#42169
On June 08 2015 04:43 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 04:40 teddyoojo wrote:
On June 08 2015 04:38 Comeh wrote:
On June 08 2015 04:32 Kupon3ss wrote:
The problem with the score is that the reviewer is approaching the game after having played and devoted significant time to both dota and lol instead of blizzard's target audience.

starcraft 2 players that are depressed about the dedness of game?

judging from my friends that play hots its ppl that arent really good at this computer game thing


i really wish it was better because i like all of the heroes

I am happy it exists, because I have a bunch of friends who will NEVER play dota or even LoL. And there is only so many times we can play Don't Starve Together.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 07 2015 19:45 GMT
#42170
The game is 100% a moba though. Hard to market it as anything else.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-07 19:46:27
June 07 2015 19:46 GMT
#42171
What are you talking about, it's a hero brawler
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
June 07 2015 19:46 GMT
#42172
moba minus the laning, guess thats why they call it a HERO BRAWLER
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 07 2015 19:52 GMT
#42173
On June 08 2015 04:45 SKC wrote:
The game is 100% a moba though. Hard to market it as anything else.

In the sense that moba implicitly refers to a game that follows the basic gameplay structure of DotA or LoL, it's so unlike either that the comparison simply doesn't do Blizzard any favors.

Whether intentionally or not (and if it's intentional, I think Blizzard's marketing department is retarded), the only thing the "moba" moniker does is set up HotS in competition with DotA and LoL--which IMO can only really serve to lose them customers.
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
June 07 2015 19:54 GMT
#42174
On June 08 2015 04:52 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 04:45 SKC wrote:
The game is 100% a moba though. Hard to market it as anything else.

In the sense that moba implicitly refers to a game that follows the basic gameplay structure of DotA or LoL, it's so unlike either that the comparison simply doesn't do Blizzard any favors.

Whether intentionally or not (and if it's intentional, I think Blizzard's marketing department is retarded), the only thing the "moba" moniker does is set up HotS in competition with DotA and LoL--which IMO can only really serve to lose them customers.

I mean someone at Blizzard let them release two games with the same acronym
LiquidDota Staff
TL+ Member
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 07 2015 19:57 GMT
#42175
The game started development as Blizzard DOTA... It's quite obvious they weren't trying to avoid being lumped in the same basket as other mobas.

It moved further and further away from dota at every opportunity but it's not like they could avoid the comparions. Games far less like Dota are compared to them all the time.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-07 19:58:58
June 07 2015 19:58 GMT
#42176
They also realized a bit late that Blizzard AllStars had a few problems when people began making acronyms for it.
Balls
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
June 07 2015 19:59 GMT
#42177
On June 08 2015 04:54 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 04:52 TheYango wrote:
On June 08 2015 04:45 SKC wrote:
The game is 100% a moba though. Hard to market it as anything else.

In the sense that moba implicitly refers to a game that follows the basic gameplay structure of DotA or LoL, it's so unlike either that the comparison simply doesn't do Blizzard any favors.

Whether intentionally or not (and if it's intentional, I think Blizzard's marketing department is retarded), the only thing the "moba" moniker does is set up HotS in competition with DotA and LoL--which IMO can only really serve to lose them customers.

I mean someone at Blizzard let them release two games with the same acronym


i still can't believe that was a thing lol. i know that LotV is coming out this year but its been like a year where they had too titles like that
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
June 07 2015 20:00 GMT
#42178
well back when it was called blizzard dota it was an entirely different game iirc it got scrapped completly and remade as hots
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
June 07 2015 20:00 GMT
#42179
On June 08 2015 04:59 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 04:54 eieio wrote:
On June 08 2015 04:52 TheYango wrote:
On June 08 2015 04:45 SKC wrote:
The game is 100% a moba though. Hard to market it as anything else.

In the sense that moba implicitly refers to a game that follows the basic gameplay structure of DotA or LoL, it's so unlike either that the comparison simply doesn't do Blizzard any favors.

Whether intentionally or not (and if it's intentional, I think Blizzard's marketing department is retarded), the only thing the "moba" moniker does is set up HotS in competition with DotA and LoL--which IMO can only really serve to lose them customers.

I mean someone at Blizzard let them release two games with the same acronym


i still can't believe that was a thing lol. i know that LotV is coming out this year but its been like a year where they had too titles like that

it's so remarkably stupid it blows my mind
LiquidDota Staff
TL+ Member
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
June 07 2015 20:00 GMT
#42180
I'm watching sing's stream of it now... the load times are insanely long
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