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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 07:06:57
May 08 2015 07:01 GMT
#33221
On May 08 2015 15:54 TheEmulator wrote:
Must suck to not get paid.

I had one ~2 or 3 month period a few years ago where all my pay was severely delayed (ie no pay for those months) when I was working as a contractor and it was extremely stressful

dealing with that on a regular basis would be absolutely terrible, especially for players with less financial security than someone like PPD
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
May 08 2015 07:04 GMT
#33222
On May 08 2015 15:56 Shaella wrote:
maybe DAC won't be a major then.

Jesus fuck

the summit fall
the summit winter
the summit spring

done
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l3loodraven
Profile Joined July 2013
2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 07:20:49
May 08 2015 07:18 GMT
#33223
people joke about the summit/bts getting a major but i think they have all the tools to do a really good event with some help from valve, including being located in one of the best LAN regions in north america (assuming they would abandon the homestory cup thing for at least the final day or two and do an actual live spectator event)
"fear.dankness cuts deeper than swords"
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
May 08 2015 07:42 GMT
#33224
Charlie on DAC prize

"So to be transparent about the issue, our problem is mainly just getting the money in a way where the players don't get double taxed. Sorting out Chinese tax law with American/Canadian tax law has been tl/dr: complicated.
Luckily for us we have Amazon Chinese Tax reps that have been working with Perfect World to sort out the issues."
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 08 2015 08:11 GMT
#33225
On May 08 2015 16:42 TheEmulator wrote:
Charlie on DAC prize

"So to be transparent about the issue, our problem is mainly just getting the money in a way where the players don't get double taxed. Sorting out Chinese tax law with American/Canadian tax law has been tl/dr: complicated.
Luckily for us we have Amazon Chinese Tax reps that have been working with Perfect World to sort out the issues."

Did people really think DAC was trying to scam the players off their money or something? Seriously? Obviously it was something like this... This is why players don't go public about not receiving prizemoney, because the community turns it into a massive shitstorm, when it might just be a tax/whatever issue.

I think Majors are going to be organised by ESL+joinDOTA for EU, MLG+BTS for US and Prefect World for China. StarLadder gets kind of left out, but they would get to cast everything in Russian, so I guess it might be fair?
super gg
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 08:17:54
May 08 2015 08:16 GMT
#33226
I agree that seems pretty likely. I feel ESL is the organizer in EU who has a lot of experience running events in front of huge crowds in big arenas, which would be very suitable for a major. SL has run good competitive tournaments, but spectator wise they have all been pretty small scale as far as I'm aware. Although I suppose the last SL in Bucharest had a relatively big crowd, but still I would rather give the responsibility to ESL.

Also another question is whether there will be a 2nd major in NA as Valve most likely will have TI in Seattle still. Maybe they will, or maybe they will have it somewhere in Eastern Europe even.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
May 08 2015 08:56 GMT
#33227
hahaha, guardian greaves huskar is my new favorite thing this is so retarded
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
May 08 2015 09:04 GMT
#33228
DAC + Two out of ESL/DH/MLG seems most reasonable? All of them should be competent enough to run one and all of them has run large scale tournaments before. ESL and DH already runs CSGO majors.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
May 08 2015 09:13 GMT
#33229
Dota at Dreamhack has been shit tho, to be honest. And I don't think there will be two Dota Majors in Europe. Because of that, I doubt Dreamhack will be getting a major. I think MLG together with BTS is more likely for the third major. ESL and joinDOTA and Perfect World the other 2, of course.
super gg
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 09:41:49
May 08 2015 09:31 GMT
#33230
BTS has absolutely zero experience running a major dota event. Zero, zip, nada. You're looking at what you see on stream comparing the summit to dreamleague. Yea it might look like the summit is better run. But these are majors, these are supposed to be played in front of hundreds (or thousands) of viewers live. In a stadium or at least on some kind of huge scene. Even if BTS had done that 5 times that would still be <10% of the experience DH/ESL/MLG has. Dota at Dreamhack has got bad reputation because of some admin-fails, lacking compendiums, tournament formats, etc. Not because they couldnt arrenge a proper live event (quite the opposite). And none of these are issues since Valve will likely control formats/compendium/etc. But when it comes to organizing major esports event all of the three I mentioned all quite highly regarded, DH included (DH was the best tournament organizer according to a lot of people in the SC2 scene). They ran huge esports events befor the BTS guys were out of kindergarden. As did ESL/MLG.

Personal guess would be be ESL/DH/DAC getting major status unless problems arise with DHW being on a set date. If thats an issue it might be 2xESL (as in CSGO) or ESL+MLG or something. Starladder being an outsider but people often seem deterred from organizing major events in the CIS region and they dont have the same experience as the others.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
May 08 2015 09:51 GMT
#33231
thx for ez bugattis labour fanstraights :D

11/1 odds conservatives win a majority
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 11:03:27
May 08 2015 11:00 GMT
#33232
10/10 correct invite predictions, sweet.

Now should I buy another level booster for the compendium or not... I'm not sure I need it, plus it's not that cheap. On the other hand, more hats!
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
May 08 2015 11:19 GMT
#33233
There's no way bts gets a major
Not even blizzard went ahead and gave taketv wcs eu
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
May 08 2015 11:23 GMT
#33234
On May 08 2015 17:56 Shaella wrote:
hahaha, guardian greaves huskar is my new favorite thing this is so retarded

OPINIONS ON MOUSESPORTS?
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 08 2015 12:36 GMT
#33235
On May 08 2015 16:42 TheEmulator wrote:
Charlie on DAC prize

"So to be transparent about the issue, our problem is mainly just getting the money in a way where the players don't get double taxed. Sorting out Chinese tax law with American/Canadian tax law has been tl/dr: complicated.
Luckily for us we have Amazon Chinese Tax reps that have been working with Perfect World to sort out the issues."

I bet that tax is huge too. Taxes on prize money in the US is almost 40-50% depending on the state. I bet China is just as bad. I wonder what tax wizardry Amazon is going to use to get them the cash.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
May 08 2015 12:38 GMT
#33236
Charlie #1 manager, maybe he should tell the Chinese gov that he represents the best ESPORTS team. I bet their winnings would go untaxed immediately. :D
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
May 08 2015 12:41 GMT
#33237
On May 08 2015 21:36 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 16:42 TheEmulator wrote:
Charlie on DAC prize

"So to be transparent about the issue, our problem is mainly just getting the money in a way where the players don't get double taxed. Sorting out Chinese tax law with American/Canadian tax law has been tl/dr: complicated.
Luckily for us we have Amazon Chinese Tax reps that have been working with Perfect World to sort out the issues."

I bet that tax is huge too. Taxes on prize money in the US is almost 40-50% depending on the state. I bet China is just as bad. I wonder what tax wizardry Amazon is going to use to get them the cash.

Move it to the caymans, take out a loan in the us, pay the team back with loan, pay loan on the caymans, ez. n_n
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7754 Posts
May 08 2015 12:44 GMT
#33238
On May 08 2015 21:41 dismiss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 21:36 Plansix wrote:
On May 08 2015 16:42 TheEmulator wrote:
Charlie on DAC prize

"So to be transparent about the issue, our problem is mainly just getting the money in a way where the players don't get double taxed. Sorting out Chinese tax law with American/Canadian tax law has been tl/dr: complicated.
Luckily for us we have Amazon Chinese Tax reps that have been working with Perfect World to sort out the issues."

I bet that tax is huge too. Taxes on prize money in the US is almost 40-50% depending on the state. I bet China is just as bad. I wonder what tax wizardry Amazon is going to use to get them the cash.

Move it to the caymans, take out a loan in the us, pay the team back with loan, pay loan on the caymans, ez. n_n


Go to jail for tax evasion, kill esports by giving it fraudster reputation
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-08 12:47:44
May 08 2015 12:44 GMT
#33239
On May 08 2015 21:41 dismiss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 21:36 Plansix wrote:
On May 08 2015 16:42 TheEmulator wrote:
Charlie on DAC prize

"So to be transparent about the issue, our problem is mainly just getting the money in a way where the players don't get double taxed. Sorting out Chinese tax law with American/Canadian tax law has been tl/dr: complicated.
Luckily for us we have Amazon Chinese Tax reps that have been working with Perfect World to sort out the issues."

I bet that tax is huge too. Taxes on prize money in the US is almost 40-50% depending on the state. I bet China is just as bad. I wonder what tax wizardry Amazon is going to use to get them the cash.

Move it to the caymans, take out a loan in the us, pay the team back with loan, pay loan on the caymans, ez. n_n

Interesting plan. I was thinking that DAC could just send the money to Amazon Chine for an equal amount in gift cards and sell those to Chinese Esports fans. Then Amazon could transfer the funds to EG through a massive refund their prime accounts. Then they could live of Amazon gift cards for like the next 6 years tax free.

You see, the government doesn't' track gift cards. The plan is flawless.

Edit: You have to try really hard to go to jail for tax fraud. Mostly they just slap a huge judgment on you and garnish your wages. Esports wages.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7754 Posts
May 08 2015 12:49 GMT
#33240
On May 08 2015 21:44 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 21:41 dismiss wrote:
On May 08 2015 21:36 Plansix wrote:
On May 08 2015 16:42 TheEmulator wrote:
Charlie on DAC prize

"So to be transparent about the issue, our problem is mainly just getting the money in a way where the players don't get double taxed. Sorting out Chinese tax law with American/Canadian tax law has been tl/dr: complicated.
Luckily for us we have Amazon Chinese Tax reps that have been working with Perfect World to sort out the issues."

I bet that tax is huge too. Taxes on prize money in the US is almost 40-50% depending on the state. I bet China is just as bad. I wonder what tax wizardry Amazon is going to use to get them the cash.

Move it to the caymans, take out a loan in the us, pay the team back with loan, pay loan on the caymans, ez. n_n

Interesting plan. I was thinking that DAC could just send the money to Amazon Chine for an equal amount in gift cards and sell those to Chinese Esports fans. Then Amazon could transfer the funds to EG through a massive refund their prime accounts. Then they could live of Amazon gift cards for like the next 6 years tax free.

You see, the government doesn't' track gift cards. The plan is flawless.

Edit: You have to try really hard to go to jail for tax fraud. Mostly they just slap a huge judgment on you and garnish your wages. Esports wages.


Or they can use something like hawalanders. Possibilities are endless.
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
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