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On May 08 2015 02:39 BluemoonSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 02:35 andyrau wrote:
i think the point is to see whether you'd mesh well with the team
a friend of mine was talking about an interview he did where he smashed the interview but the people there didn't really like him; he wasn't actually looking for the job but regardless, i think the fact that he didn't get an offer for the position says a lot about how much companies value cohesion or whatever Yeah I mean if you get called for an interview, your resume demonstrated that you had the credentials. interviews are really all about ensuring that you're the right person for the company aka do you fit on our team.
this isn't really true in software dev: like I said my interview at my last job had me writing code on a whiteboard for 5 hours lol. Afaik this is relatively standard at other similar large tech companies
you get a lot of candidates in software dev that can't actually program tho
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On May 08 2015 02:41 eieio wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 02:39 BluemoonSC wrote:On May 08 2015 02:35 andyrau wrote:
i think the point is to see whether you'd mesh well with the team
a friend of mine was talking about an interview he did where he smashed the interview but the people there didn't really like him; he wasn't actually looking for the job but regardless, i think the fact that he didn't get an offer for the position says a lot about how much companies value cohesion or whatever Yeah I mean if you get called for an interview, your resume demonstrated that you had the credentials. interviews are really all about ensuring that you're the right person for the company aka do you fit on our team. this isn't really true in software dev: like I said my interview at my last job had me writing code on a whiteboard for 5 hours lol. Afaik this is relatively standard at other similar large tech companies you get a lot of candidates in software dev that can't actually program tho
that's not an industry specific problem
you always get candidates that have a padded resume and have great titles and accomplishments on paper but sometimes they actually just suck at their respective job/role
it's kinda like basing skill/credentials of a dota player just based off their dotabuff. the guy may have a high gpm but may not make good decisions in game, play very selfish etc.
actually idk where im going with the dota analogy im awful at this. regardless the point stands.
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On May 08 2015 02:46 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 02:41 eieio wrote:On May 08 2015 02:39 BluemoonSC wrote:On May 08 2015 02:35 andyrau wrote:
i think the point is to see whether you'd mesh well with the team
a friend of mine was talking about an interview he did where he smashed the interview but the people there didn't really like him; he wasn't actually looking for the job but regardless, i think the fact that he didn't get an offer for the position says a lot about how much companies value cohesion or whatever Yeah I mean if you get called for an interview, your resume demonstrated that you had the credentials. interviews are really all about ensuring that you're the right person for the company aka do you fit on our team. this isn't really true in software dev: like I said my interview at my last job had me writing code on a whiteboard for 5 hours lol. Afaik this is relatively standard at other similar large tech companies you get a lot of candidates in software dev that can't actually program tho that's not an industry specific problem you always get candidates that have a padded resume and have great titles and accomplishments on paper but sometimes they actually just suck at their respective job/role it's kinda like basing skill/credentials of a dota player just based off their dotabuff. the guy may have a high gpm but may not make good decisions in game, play very selfish etc. actually idk where im going with the dota analogy im awful at this. regardless the point stands.
it might just be more obvious in software dev interviews than average then (ie you can pretty easily ask someone to write code and see whether they can do it)? Or maybe I'm just really ignorant about how non-software positions work lol
I mean http://blog.codinghorror.com/why-cant-programmers-program/ is really well known and discusses people making it in to in person interviews with *no* idea how to solve very simple programming problems. Which is why most companies have 1 or 2 phone interviews first that often start out with simple "can this person write code at all" type questions lol.
(yeah yeah it's easy to make fun of Atwood at least he didn't write some terrible article 15 years ago about how you shouldn't rewrite projects ever thats still cited even though the project the article discusses went on to become Firefox grrrr fuck you spolsky)
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On May 08 2015 01:43 dismiss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 01:09 Plansix wrote:On May 08 2015 01:08 Comeh wrote:
We are both delusional, clearly. Just in different ways. Cynicism masquerades as wisdom, but it is the farthest thing from it. Because cynics don’t learn anything. Because cynicism is a self-imposed blindness, a rejection of the world because we are afraid it will hurt us or disappoint us. Cynics always say no. But saying yes begins things. Saying yes is how things grow. Saying yes leads to knowledge. "Yes" is for young people. So for as long as you have the strength to, say yes.- Stephen Colbert - what an idiot. ho ho
typical cynic.
colbert is smarter and more successful than 99.99% of cynics. why is that? cuz he saids yes to shit. gg no re.
and there are people pretending to be cynics when actually they not skilled at anything in particular and depressed.
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this maybe funny to say but i got bored playing the new PL
it's supposed to be funner idk and this is from me who plays a lot of naga
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Naga and pl aren't at all similar anymore
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On May 08 2015 02:58 goody153 wrote:
this maybe funny to say but i got bored playing the new PL
it's supposed to be funner idk and this is from me who plays a lot of naga
Build a basher and fight people. Its more fun if you're trying to kill people.
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yeah naga and new pl are super different idk it's weird for sure you can do a lot of tricks with the new PL with his dopplewalk and the charge passive idk why i get bored with hero .. the hero feels like playing viper or razor for me
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As somebody conducting an interview for a candidate today; its both and different companies have different policies between "culture fit" and "skillset fit". The crux of the technical parts of the interview is to more see how the candidate approaches problems and overall ability. The nice thing about the bay area is that you're not going to see many candidates who flat out can't code.
The thing is, many tech companies will reject candidates who aren't "culture fits" regardless of competence
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On May 08 2015 02:51 eieio wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2015 02:46 andyrau wrote:On May 08 2015 02:41 eieio wrote:On May 08 2015 02:39 BluemoonSC wrote:On May 08 2015 02:35 andyrau wrote:
i think the point is to see whether you'd mesh well with the team
a friend of mine was talking about an interview he did where he smashed the interview but the people there didn't really like him; he wasn't actually looking for the job but regardless, i think the fact that he didn't get an offer for the position says a lot about how much companies value cohesion or whatever Yeah I mean if you get called for an interview, your resume demonstrated that you had the credentials. interviews are really all about ensuring that you're the right person for the company aka do you fit on our team. this isn't really true in software dev: like I said my interview at my last job had me writing code on a whiteboard for 5 hours lol. Afaik this is relatively standard at other similar large tech companies you get a lot of candidates in software dev that can't actually program tho that's not an industry specific problem you always get candidates that have a padded resume and have great titles and accomplishments on paper but sometimes they actually just suck at their respective job/role it's kinda like basing skill/credentials of a dota player just based off their dotabuff. the guy may have a high gpm but may not make good decisions in game, play very selfish etc. actually idk where im going with the dota analogy im awful at this. regardless the point stands. it might just be more obvious in software dev interviews than average then (ie you can pretty easily ask someone to write code and see whether they can do it)? Or maybe I'm just really ignorant about how non-software positions work lol I mean http://blog.codinghorror.com/why-cant-programmers-program/ is really well known and discusses people making it in to in person interviews with *no* idea how to solve very simple programming problems. Which is why most companies have 1 or 2 phone interviews first that often start out with simple "can this person write code at all" type questions lol. (yeah yeah it's easy to make fun of Atwood at least he didn't write some terrible article 15 years ago about how you shouldn't rewrite projects ever thats still cited even though the project the article discusses went on to become Firefox grrrr fuck you spolsky)
well for my specific industry you can get people that don't know how the process works, and methodology/accuracy is really important - delays that stem from errors cost a lot.
so you just ask them to create a dummy file (a scenario) for submission to a random bank to see if they actually know what they're doing, and note how fast they can create said scenario. it doesn't even have to be a difficult hypothetical client scenario, dealing with a routine file can tell you a lot.
sometimes you'll find that they don't have enough experience even though their cv/resume may say that they've been in this line of work for like 5+ years and can barely do a junior underwriter's job.
the same goes for accounting types, or marketing roles that deal specifically b2b.
I'm really only familiar with software engineering/financial related roles so perhaps basing my conclusion off my personal experiences may be skewed, yet I can't imagine it being any different in other sectors.
On May 08 2015 03:04 Kupon3ss wrote:
The thing is, many tech companies will reject candidates who aren't "culture fits" regardless of competence
apparently a lot of tech companies prefer to hire previous college interns because they know these prior temp employees are almost guaranteed to fit the company culture better, regardless of their performance.
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a lot of tech companies will increase their signing bonus when making offers to previous interns for that reason. for example iirc facebook actually doubles their bonus lol
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An assumption in the industry is that a sufficiently intelligent person can be brought up to the needed skill level relatively easily but bringing a person from an incompatible personality/culture to one that makes said person work well within the company is not simple
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look sometimes you just need to remove people that are shit tho
like the jugg in my last game
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On May 08 2015 02:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
My brother is applying for a different job within his own office but the company procedure is to have a meet and greet for all applicants so they are doing a meet and greet lunch party before his interview with his coworkers LOL
my work isn't quite that bad, but the interview committee during the interview itself has to pretend they dont know you. my last interview was with 2 coworkers and 2 managers that i had worked under for 3+ years. It was very odd to introduce ourselves and pretend we were strangers.
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I wish we had more interviews for the people we hire. I am tired of training new college kids.
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Somebody has to hire the 0-experience guys might as well be you XD
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booo 9/10 because Team Malaysia, i should have gone with my guts because i dont like jeyo (eventhough the games i watched from them are pretty entertaining).
and same to last year i only vote for slardar, screw every other heroes lol, and bloody viper and slardar are in the same group wtf
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everyone was a new college kid at some point
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Well, this is for arcana not remake
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On May 08 2015 03:13 eieio wrote:
a lot of tech companies will increase their signing bonus when making offers to previous interns for that reason. for example iirc facebook actually doubles their bonus lol
live the dream for me and move to the valley
6 figure ezpz
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