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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 28 2015 15:37 GMT
#30461
On April 29 2015 00:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
ww is going to shatter captains mode too holy shit

I think you have to ban WW if you want to draft troll, jugg or some other melee carry, or you need a way to deal with the hero.

Can SD disrupt someone while they are locked down by WW?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
April 28 2015 15:39 GMT
#30462
On April 29 2015 00:30 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think the lina nerf is bigger than people are giving it credit for
now aghs is actually a question and euls combo cost is a lot steeper.


yeah that mana cost nerf on euls is a LOT for her. i dont think you get to do the full combo, right?
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44290 Posts
April 28 2015 15:42 GMT
#30463
lina needs a nerf but i like her the way she is right now .. so i hope they don't completely make the hero unviable with the next nerfs

she's like unusable like a few patches ago
this is a quote
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-28 15:46:39
April 28 2015 15:43 GMT
#30464
On April 29 2015 00:39 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 00:30 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think the lina nerf is bigger than people are giving it credit for
now aghs is actually a question and euls combo cost is a lot steeper.


yeah that mana cost nerf on euls is a LOT for her. i dont think you get to do the full combo, right?

max q 145 + max w 130 + euls 175 + level 2 ult 420 = 870
level 11 mana with just a euls and ntohing else = 767 (+null = 845) (int treads = 884)

so yea you'd need 2 nulls to full combo at 11 (or just treads)

think treads will become core, they got buffed by ONE STAT too
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-28 15:46:58
April 28 2015 15:45 GMT
#30465
On April 29 2015 00:37 goody153 wrote:
She's too easy to use man that's the problem. Make her harder make people work for how retarded the hero is like meepo/es/naga. Or add more mute abilities on the game so that there are answers to the hero and punish the baddies who just yolo dive on shit positioning but still win cause RNGesus and not try to buildup to mkb/hex who is expensive as fuck and hard to build up. At least give people option to punish those who aren't at positioning PA some just get super lucky crit+miss all the way when diving on bad positions.

At least pubstompers like storm and TA actually punish the baddies.

Like there's a period 2 or 3 weeks ago that the stack i play with go burst heroes and i picked lina for the PA cause fuck that hero. Yes i pick OP heroes against her


you're literally discussing her weaknesses. she's ez to use but it has to be in the right draft and you have to make the right decisions. some heroes are better in pubs because of the lack of communication that occurs between teammates, so thats why yolo dives occasionally work even though they shouldn't

On April 29 2015 00:42 goody153 wrote:
lina needs a nerf but i like her the way she is right now .. so i hope they don't completely make the hero unviable with the next nerfs

she's like unusable like a few patches ago



yeah idk i think her strength was an easy combo to land. with the mana nerf on euls i think she'll be alright.

On April 29 2015 00:43 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 00:39 BluemoonSC wrote:
On April 29 2015 00:30 Sn0_Man wrote:
I think the lina nerf is bigger than people are giving it credit for
now aghs is actually a question and euls combo cost is a lot steeper.


yeah that mana cost nerf on euls is a LOT for her. i dont think you get to do the full combo, right?

max q 145 + max w 130 + euls 175 + level 2 ult 420 = 870
level 11 mana with just a euls and ntohing else = 767 (+null = 845)

so yea you'd need 2 nulls to full combo at 11 (or just null and treads)

think treads will become core, they got buffed by ONE STAT too


its good though bc you can't just rush euls anymore and do well. you actually need other items lol
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
April 28 2015 15:46 GMT
#30466
i think aghs will still be core on lina, 950 pure damage is insane
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
April 28 2015 15:48 GMT
#30467
i modified it but euls and treads still gives enough mana, though you have to have a full mana pool in the first place, which means no spamming waves -> walking to fights

also aghs after euls clears up that issue still
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44290 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-28 15:54:19
April 28 2015 15:50 GMT
#30468
On April 29 2015 00:46 ahswtini wrote:
i think aghs will still be core on lina, 950 pure damage is insane

it's like a PA crit (lmao) that pierces the bkb

although maybe later on well see variation like skadi after phase euls or something like daedalus builds

On April 29 2015 00:45 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2015 00:37 goody153 wrote:
She's too easy to use man that's the problem. Make her harder make people work for how retarded the hero is like meepo/es/naga. Or add more mute abilities on the game so that there are answers to the hero and punish the baddies who just yolo dive on shit positioning but still win cause RNGesus and not try to buildup to mkb/hex who is expensive as fuck and hard to build up. At least give people option to punish those who aren't at positioning PA some just get super lucky crit+miss all the way when diving on bad positions.

At least pubstompers like storm and TA actually punish the baddies.

Like there's a period 2 or 3 weeks ago that the stack i play with go burst heroes and i picked lina for the PA cause fuck that hero. Yes i pick OP heroes against her


you're literally discussing her weaknesses. she's ez to use but it has to be in the right draft and you have to make the right decisions. some heroes are better in pubs because of the lack of communication that occurs between teammates, so thats why yolo dives occasionally work even though they shouldn't



it's very frustrating on pubs .. it;s one of the reasons only have 2 games of the hero cause the feels too easy and too disgusting






maxed ques/wex/exort deafening looks so awesome next patch
this is a quote
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
April 28 2015 15:51 GMT
#30469
What's the minimum amount of items needed for Alchemist to be able to clear a jungle each minute? Phase, MoM, Maelstrom? Just thinking about how to make Alchemist the most efficient Aghanims vending machine. :D
super gg
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-28 15:56:22
April 28 2015 15:52 GMT
#30470
On April 29 2015 00:48 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
i modified it but euls and treads still gives enough mana, though you have to have a full mana pool in the first place, which means no spamming waves -> walking to fights

also aghs after euls clears up that issue still


right but she still needs an additional item (and potentially not phase boots which would normally make her unchaseable) to get the full combo off. and like you said, you have to have a full mana pool.

i think her OP-ness stemmed from that first euls combo kill which accelerated the next item. you could do it solo and not have to share the xp/gold as well. now it comes later and you HAVE to have a full mana pool or have a partner.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44290 Posts
April 28 2015 15:55 GMT
#30471
radiant jungle is more beneficial for jungle alchemist that glorious triple camp farming
this is a quote
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-28 15:58:08
April 28 2015 15:57 GMT
#30472
TBH i love this skadi first pa that GOL is running right now

dagger plus skadi how do you get away from that shit

and now a basher
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
April 28 2015 15:58 GMT
#30473
New Mud Golems are actually amazing for alchemist, you get to kill 6 creeps from that camp, that's a ton of greed gold.
super gg
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44290 Posts
April 28 2015 15:59 GMT
#30474
don't forget to ask your team to help you contest with that 1 bounty rune

400 gold ezpz
this is a quote
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
April 28 2015 16:01 GMT
#30475
On April 29 2015 00:50 goody153 wrote:

https://twitter.com/wykrhm/status/593079627339313152

maxed ques/wex/exort deafening looks so awesome next patch

disappointing, i was expecting it to not just look like 8 separate deafening blasts but one big blast, kinda like diretide roshan's blast?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
April 28 2015 16:02 GMT
#30476
make a thread about it on reddit, icefrog will hear you
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44290 Posts
April 28 2015 16:04 GMT
#30477
yeah he may make it look like a real nova
this is a quote
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
April 28 2015 16:09 GMT
#30478
i would love to see a literal wave of force that's quas wex and exort colored.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 28 2015 16:13 GMT
#30479
The best part of the patch is people theory crafting spell vamp builds and totally forgetting that the item costs over 5K gold and is a pretty bad first item.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44290 Posts
April 28 2015 16:13 GMT
#30480
yeah whatever orb was maxed would what the color of the deafening blast would look like would be nice
this is a quote
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