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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
April 08 2015 20:04 GMT
#25141
welp everyone dc;d from our game and its safe to leave
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
April 08 2015 20:05 GMT
#25142
no of course not but shit, if you're sing and you just had that game in ileague THEN go beyond godlike in this fashion you probably feel a lot better
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-08 20:06:51
April 08 2015 20:06 GMT
#25143
On April 09 2015 05:02 Targe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 04:10 crms wrote:
On April 09 2015 03:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
whatever cats > dogs

ahhhhhhhhh yeahhhh

have u seen my dog dude?

it behaves like a cat

does it tidily tuck its hands in when sitting
cause that's the most qtp2t thing ever
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
April 08 2015 20:08 GMT
#25144
On April 09 2015 05:06 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 05:02 Targe wrote:
On April 09 2015 04:10 crms wrote:
On April 09 2015 03:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
whatever cats > dogs

ahhhhhhhhh yeahhhh

have u seen my dog dude?

it behaves like a cat

does it tidily tuck its hands in when sitting
cause that's the most qtp2t thing ever

she always sits about like a cat
when she lies down she curls into a really tight ball

we also leave food for her out for her all day and she like never eats it
and she lives in the house
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 08 2015 20:09 GMT
#25145
On April 09 2015 05:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
Troll's one hell of a base hitter tbh

losing 1 fight to troll is generally disaster

I don’t think anyone will argue that troll isn’t a totally broken hero and is super stupid. The fact that everyone is struggling so hard to find a way to deal is a total bummer as well.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-08 20:15:26
April 08 2015 20:12 GMT
#25146
disruptor does really well vs troll if you can initiate on him and work your way towards aghs

wisp tiny does work also. the combo is real.

qop does decent after she hits 6 because spell damage sucks

storm has a lot of control if you keep out of melee range

oh and winter wyvern does well too

and razer
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Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
April 08 2015 20:14 GMT
#25147
On April 09 2015 05:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
Troll's one hell of a base hitter tbh

losing 1 fight to troll is generally disaster

My statement WS more lategame/ultra-lategame, and I'm not sure troll makes my short list for that. Maybe top 10 but not top 5.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 08 2015 20:23 GMT
#25148
On April 09 2015 05:14 Crusnik wrote:
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On April 09 2015 05:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
Troll's one hell of a base hitter tbh

losing 1 fight to troll is generally disaster

My statement WS more lategame/ultra-lategame, and I'm not sure troll makes my short list for that. Maybe top 10 but not top 5.

Troll is like one of the top "lose fight lose game" heroes lategame right now. Idk what you're talking about.

Battle Trance making you instantly lose Rosh or a lane from a lost fight even if you were winning before is part of why the hero is so stupid.
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Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
April 08 2015 20:27 GMT
#25149
I would rather take that chance as opposed to facing void/necro/storm/dusa/spectre. You at least have a chance vs troll, spec/dusa can almost 1v5, necro just deletes a hero, chrono is stupid, double even worse. Storm exerts insane map pressure just with his ability to get pickoffs.
Steam: rook492
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 08 2015 20:29 GMT
#25150
You can't talk about "lose fight, lose game" heroes and not mention Tiny and Lycan
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 08 2015 20:31 GMT
#25151
No one is going to argue the Void is a bitch and has a skill requirement slightly above Wraith King, but troll is just dumb. He runs into the center of fights without a care, gives no shits about heroes without MKBs and can solo rosh with about the same gold requirement as Ursa. Really, it just all the manfight of Ursa with none of the flaws. And he is a racecar.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-08 20:36:12
April 08 2015 20:32 GMT
#25152
On April 09 2015 05:27 Crusnik wrote:
I would rather take that chance as opposed to facing void/necro/storm/dusa/spectre. You at least have a chance vs troll, spec/dusa can almost 1v5, necro just deletes a hero, chrono is stupid, double even worse. Storm exerts insane map pressure just with his ability to get pickoffs.

You would rather instantly lose the game rather than not instantly lose the game?

Like, Troll is probably actually a weaker 6-item teamfighter than those heroes, but there's no way in HELL that they punish "one unlucky fight" harder than he does. Losing a lategame fight vs. Troll is like "we all need to BB or we lose the game right now".
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
April 08 2015 20:35 GMT
#25153
he's really squishy though and loses to nukes, levels, and slows before bkb.

i forgot to mention bane as a hero that does well vs the troll.

im not saying he's not broken, because he is, but you can fight the troll and you can win against the troll. however if you fuck up, suddenly the game can end.
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l3loodraven
Profile Joined July 2013
2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-08 20:39:04
April 08 2015 20:37 GMT
#25154
anytime you guys start talking balance it's just one giant fuckfest of anecdotes and hyperbole

everyone should just listen to gojira and understand you possess the power to vanquish all who oppose you

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"fear.dankness cuts deeper than swords"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-08 20:39:38
April 08 2015 20:37 GMT
#25155
Bane is sort of a shit counter, since that entire heroes purpose is countered by an item that cost 2850 gold and everyone is buying it. Or like any stun in the game.

On April 09 2015 05:37 l3loodraven wrote:
Anytime you guys start talking balance it's just one giant fuckfest of anecdotes and hyperbole


Its pretty similar to when you start handing out dating advice.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-08 20:40:44
April 08 2015 20:40 GMT
#25156
you're ignoring bane's biggest utility vs the troll, which is enfeeble. bkb can't dispel it.

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On April 09 2015 05:37 l3loodraven wrote:
Anytime you guys start talking balance it's just one giant fuckfest of anecdotes and hyperbole


Its pretty similar to when you start handing out dating advice.


rofl
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
l3loodraven
Profile Joined July 2013
2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-08 20:41:47
April 08 2015 20:41 GMT
#25157
Plansix you're literally the dumbest sweatiest nerd here you should do less talking and more absorbing the words of others
"fear.dankness cuts deeper than swords"
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 08 2015 20:42 GMT
#25158
Alright if we could avoid outright assaults on each other that would be nice
there's a difference between flames and attacking people
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-08 20:49:35
April 08 2015 20:45 GMT
#25159
Enfeeble isn't specifically good vs. Troll. It's good vs. single-core lineups that rely on one damage point. But because of Battle Trance, its super easy for an early pick Troll to transition into a dual- or tri-core that Bane can't control.

Thats really the thing about Troll. You can pick things that are good against Troll. But its way easier for the other team to pick things that work well with Troll than it is for you to pick something that handles Troll, doesn't get fucked by the rest of their gameplan, and still leaves your team with a sensible teamcomp.

And even if all that comes together, you can still instantly lose the game because you took one bad fight and one of your cores didn't save buyback.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 08 2015 20:45 GMT
#25160
I guess you could max enfeeble earlier and maybe not get as many points in brain sap. There is the issue that bane is normally a position 5 support, so he needs to find level some place to work his magic on troll.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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