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Targe
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crms
United States11933 Posts
don't believe the 'lies' that they're all struggling gamers kids just trying to get through life. I mean day9 used a green screen of his old room for a reason. it's important to give the illusion of the STRUGGLE. Also, I'm not saying they don't deserve it, streaming for a career is actually pretty demanding work if you want to be successful it's just crazy to get some insight into how much they really make. | ||
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Targe
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goody153
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On April 01 2015 02:50 TheEmulator wrote: They receive no where near the same amount of subs/donations as waga. And the stream viewer numbers really aren't that much higher on average. Usually once waga is on for a few hours he has like 5-10k right? Anyway waga has a sub counter on the top right everyday and I always see it at like 20-40+. He just started today and it's already 1 sub, lol. Not to mention the constant stream of donation messages coming in. He's definitely making more than most pros/casters doing this. idk man you'll see rtz/dendi/sing like close to 30k viewers sometimes and that's with many other streamers streaming sometimes even with waga and adb on the field but idk if any of them outside gets a lot of subs | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32754 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:56 PhoenixVoid wrote: Some of those Chinese Dota streams get numbers western players could only dream of. Some League streamers in China apparently reach in the millions frequently too. huehuehue not padded at all huehue | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:55 Targe wrote: i hate streamers with those super big mics Yeah for some reason that really bothers me - unless they are hosting some kind of talkshow or radiowhatever where its more justifiable - but when its some 14 year old playing call of duty idk.... | ||
TheEmulator
28102 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:53 Comeh wrote: dang he's already 6k? I wonder how good he is compared to um, I guess moonmeander? Is that comparable? Well Moon has like a year more experience already with just being solely a dota 2 player so he's probably better atm. He also has dota 2 comp experience and NEL experience, etc. Testie's techincally played Dota 2 for a while but just with friends, he's only recently switched and taken ranked seriously. Think he calibrated at like 4.5k, now he's 6k. I didn't play or follow HoN so I'm not sure who was better at that game. Testie is talented though so I'm sure he will do somewhat decently although I have no idea if he will reach the same level he was in HoN. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:57 Comeh wrote: Yeah for some reason that really bothers me - unless they are hosting some kind of talkshow or radiowhatever where its more justifiable - but when its some 14 year old playing call of duty idk.... FUCK me that kid witht he hat and the big mic who streams cod annoys me so god damn much guys i dont know who testie is | ||
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dismiss
United Kingdom3341 Posts
Here's the best text to speech video tho, crushes the incontrol one. lel | ||
BluemoonSC
SoCal8933 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:50 TheEmulator wrote: They receive no where near the same amount of subs/donations as waga. And the stream viewer numbers really aren't that much higher on average. Usually once waga is on for a few hours he has like 5-10k right? Anyway waga has a sub counter on the top right everyday and I always see it at like 20-40+. He just started today and it's already 1 sub, lol. Not to mention the constant stream of donation messages coming in. He's definitely making more than most pros/casters doing this. I think the biggest thing that he does is read and respond to messages. this makes people want to have THEIR message read and responded to also. basic reward theory, its actually really smart. sing doesn't get nearly as many donations for this reason I think. he doesn't read anything on stream, so why bother to write anything to him? if he responded to messages he would make bank bc of all the stupid shit that people would say. or if he had a 'secretary-chan' read them off bc they otherwise go unnoticed all together. On April 01 2015 02:57 Comeh wrote: Yeah for some reason that really bothers me - unless they are hosting some kind of talkshow or radiowhatever where its more justifiable - but when its some 14 year old playing call of duty idk.... when I hear the voice of the 14 year old that had sex with my mom and my sister last night, I want to make sure I hear it crystal clear. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Wagamamma style except before streaming was quite so popular/profitable? Like he never spent any substantial amount of time on a top team before disbanding again iirc. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32754 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:58 Targe wrote: FUCK me that kid witht he hat and the big mic who streams cod annoys me so god damn much guys i dont know who testie is http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Testie Really old ex-BW pro, now he plays Dota 2. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:54 Plansix wrote: Normally I ignore your posts when you get on your hate train, but since this one addressed me directly, I'll respond this. I don't really think they "exploited people" as much as were young kids that got large fan bases and didn't know what to do with them. Everyone from Artosis to Incontrol were guys trying to make a living and generally pumped about Esport shit. They got into things that didn't pan out and sometimes got their fans burned. I have never thought they did it on purpose and I don't think they really harmed in any long lasting way. I know this because I see every day what deception and people making mistakes can do to their lives. I know because I'm the one who gets to help clean up the mess. That's the difference between you and me. I think the best of people, you think the worst. Honestly you're just not informed enough to have an opinion one way or another. You can see the best in people, that's fine. I'm definitely more cynical than most. However, if that post just now is your position, you clearly haven't followed their careers on anything more than a superficial level. Incontrol while a bit of a buffoon at times in the public eye more or less fits your description. He's matured quite a bit since the early days of gosuguides etc., but Artosis is a whole different beast. It's pointless to argue about this any further though so whatever. | ||
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andyrau
13015 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:55 goody153 wrote: idk man you'll see rtz/dendi/sing like close to 30k viewers sometimes and that's with many other streamers streaming sometimes even with waga and adb on the field but idk if any of them outside gets a lot of subs i think it's pretty pointless either way to compare dota 2 twitch culture to the rest of the site it's only been a recent thing where people have started accepting donations and thanking people for subs. I'm not sure if this is a good thing or not because there's always been some kind of weird stigma against 'selling out' in dota, but monetizing viewers with donations is kind of a grey area for me | ||
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TheEmulator
28102 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:55 goody153 wrote: idk man you'll see rtz/dendi/sing like close to 30k viewers sometimes and that's with many other streamers streaming sometimes even with waga and adb on the field but idk if any of them outside gets a lot of subs Well I think having 30k viewers means less than getting massive donations and getting constant subs to your channel, although I may be underestimating the money that viewers bring in (if they don't adblock huehue). Like waga consistently gets some pretty big donations. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:59 Sn0_Man wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but testie never actually went anywhere in hon beyond laddering a lot and streaming a lot right? Wagamamma style except before streaming was quite so popular/profitable? Like he never spent any substantial amount of time on a top team before disbanding again iirc. I'm pretty sure he was quite sucessfull in some teams, a lot more than Waga in Dota 2. Streaming probally made him more money though. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On April 01 2015 02:59 PhoenixVoid wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Testie Really old ex-BW pro, now he plays Dota 2. age: 30 wow what an old man lamo | ||
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