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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
October 23 2020 14:14 GMT
#207001
Ah yes, fuck capitalism. Neat.
super gg
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-23 14:25:00
October 23 2020 14:24 GMT
#207002
The US has been doing pretty shitty for a while and we're trending worse again, so we could easily catch up. EU I think is having fewer deaths per case due to the better health care. The COVID thread seems to indicate people in the EU stopped taking preventative measures, while in the US that's only true for like, 20-30% of the population.

If COVID is seasonal maybe it's that winter (and even fall) hasn't really started here yet? It's been super warm up until the last week. Not sure how weather has been in europe.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-23 14:42:58
October 23 2020 14:39 GMT
#207003
'Deaths per case' is an extremely unreliable statistic. Both number of cases and deaths are shit statistics, especially if you compare EU and US.

Number of cases of course extremely heavily depends on the amount of testing, different countries are also doing different kinds of test. Some tests count only infectious people, some count those who had it before. Some count duplicate tests for the same person, some don't. Number of deaths depends on the style of reporting. Sometimes countries test every death, some don't, some only people with respiratory trouble. Some report covid deaths only when it was directly responsible, some don't.

Basically number of positive cases and number of deaths are both pretty worthless when comparing different countries to each other. Put them together into 'deaths per case' and you get an entirely worthless metric.

People in intensive care, hospital capacity and excess mortality are all much clearer metrics.

edit: Yeah, I did say 'new cases and deaths' just 2 posts before. In my defense, they're sort of useful metrics when comparing how a country is dealing with the virus at different times.
super gg
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-23 14:48:38
October 23 2020 14:48 GMT
#207004
Yeah the US is hard to compare since our testing costs money for a lot of people here while I assume it's free in EU? (Even if you have insurance, there's frequently an up front cost)

EU is definitely doing real bad.

My sister is a Dr in KY and she keeps texting us updated maps for the state that have been getting gradually redder over the past two weeks.

Someone at my wife's work tested positive and had gone to work for a week with symptoms beforehand...
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
October 23 2020 14:54 GMT
#207005
Not sure about other countries, but here you can get tested for free when you've been in contact with a positive person. Otherwise you have to pay.
super gg
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
October 23 2020 14:55 GMT
#207006
Tests in the UK are free, but you can only get one if you're showing symptoms.

You can of course get tested privately.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
October 23 2020 18:28 GMT
#207007
On October 23 2020 23:14 cecek wrote:
Ah yes, fuck capitalism. Neat.

only people with their head in the sand can't recognize that the current form of capitalism is unsustainable.
passive quaranstream fan
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
October 23 2020 20:02 GMT
#207008
On October 24 2020 03:28 Artisreal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2020 23:14 cecek wrote:
Ah yes, fuck capitalism. Neat.

only people with their head in the sand can't recognize that the current form of capitalism is unsustainable.

Dis you type this up on your iphone before or after ordering more useless shit from Amazon Prime? Yes I do think capitalism is sustainable. The overall standard of living in the world has never been better, not even remotely close. Sure, the USA housing market is in a bad place and some corporations (and thus their owners) are too big and should be broken up. But is capitalism bad? What do you propose, centrally planned economies? Because they always work.

I dont respect fucking first world kids and this ‘capitalism is bad’ bullshit.
super gg
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-23 20:22:44
October 23 2020 20:21 GMT
#207009
You do you.
This is an instance where you can be right and me too.
Especially so as there's enough wealth, just so narrowly distributed.
But that might be too much for the tavern
passive quaranstream fan
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6595 Posts
October 23 2020 21:28 GMT
#207010
Politics talk is only really frowned upon here if it should specifically be in the other threads instead (us politics specifically and so on) so I'm all for having this conversation here if we can keep it civil xD.

Honestly I'm kind of with you Art in terms of you both being right. There are a lot of unsustainable practices happening right now, even just economically if we want to narrow our scope. However, I think it's sort of a vague statement to say current capitalism is unsustainable because it doesn't address the differences in most mixed market economies in different countries.

Canada and the US alone have a ton of differences in how we operate and how much influence the government has over different sectors. Then you bring in different countries in the EU and you see even more differences in terms of how much people are taxed and where that goes / who that helps. I've actually been a big believer in raising our federal sales tax rate in Canada by 1 or 2% for a few years now because we're accumulating more and more debt to cover the cost of our social programs and I'd rather expand our healthcare system and education (both of which are their own complicated subjects) instead of cutting them because over the last 15-20 years the federal sales tax rate has only been lowered.

However we're in no position to raise taxes right now in the middle of a pandemic with hundreds of thousands of people out of work so it's very complicated but I wouldn't blame our country being capitalist (not that it is without blame either) for our current situation even pre-pandemic.

There are some problems that we face here and with most capitalist systems that I wouldn't necessarily identify as being unique to capitalism as well but rather an issue with people in power in general being able to abuse their positions and as with most things we rely on those in power to fix loopholes as they are found instead of exploiting them which puts us in a really awful position when they are the ones abusing their positions. A lot of damage can be dealt before they are caught and we can vote them out of office and investigating can take a very very long time.

On another note if you want to read about something sort of light-hearted having to do with Canadian corruption, this type of thing can be entertaining - https://globalnews.ca/news/2047355/senate-spending-scandal-was-23m-audit-worth-it-check-back-in-34-years/

The TLDR for that link is tax payers spent 24 million dollars to investigate our senate and found that they spent (roughly) 1.4 million dollars they shouldn't have. Potentially worth the cost but still kind of funny to spend that much to find that they were "wasting" so little by comparison.
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
October 24 2020 00:44 GMT
#207011
In what world is capitalism the only way for technology to advance? That can't be a real argument, for sure.
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-24 08:56:54
October 24 2020 08:31 GMT
#207012
IDK about raising taxes but collecting the taxes really rich people and companies owe should be a no brainer.
Here in Germany, tax investigators usually bring in more money than they cost. Our conservative party still likes to shrink their budget each term.
The moment single people/companies have more wealth than whole countries and governments, the political power structure is out of balance. Ceceks outrage feels just like that comic.
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
October 24 2020 08:33 GMT
#207013
More unequal the wealth distribution in the world leads to more innovation (mainly technological). Too top heavy wealth distribution and the masses get unhappy and rebel.

Thats the equilibrium society exists in. You want to have innovation while keeping the masses relatively happy. USA definitely seems to be getting a bit too top heavy now, thats for sure. Lets hope reforms happen to fix it instead of some violent conflict, thats not good for anybody.
super gg
harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
October 24 2020 20:10 GMT
#207014
nah capitalism fucking sucks. if u disagree im just gonna give u the benefit of the doubt and u assume u know very little about economic systems

dumbyhead lol
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
October 24 2020 21:53 GMT
#207015
I just got fucking destroyed omg
super gg
harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
October 24 2020 23:23 GMT
#207016
just be thankful that ive let u live to tell the tale.....
Agh's ult sniper: Sniper locks eyes with target unit, immobilizing them in horror as he turns the gun on himself. Channeled, lasts 5 seconds.
superiormoba
Profile Joined May 2019
Burkina Faso2 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-25 07:27:33
October 25 2020 07:25 GMT
#207017
On October 24 2020 05:02 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2020 03:28 Artisreal wrote:
On October 23 2020 23:14 cecek wrote:
Ah yes, fuck capitalism. Neat.

only people with their head in the sand can't recognize that the current form of capitalism is unsustainable.

Dis you type this up on your iphone before or after ordering more useless shit from Amazon Prime? Yes I do think capitalism is sustainable. The overall standard of living in the world has never been better, not even remotely close. Sure, the USA housing market is in a bad place and some corporations (and thus their owners) are too big and should be broken up. But is capitalism bad? What do you propose, centrally planned economies? Because they always work.

I dont respect fucking first world kids and this ‘capitalism is bad’ bullshit.


Firstly capitalism is not inherently contradictory to centrally planned state economies. Much of the increase in living quality across the world in the last 50 years has resulted from East Asian economies such as Japan, Korea, Taiwan and China following a highly centralized model of state capitalism, as well as India trending down the same path. Secondly American style capitalism may be somewhat close to stable only because America is the world hegemon, it is obviously not sustainable if it is to be implemented by any other sizeable country in the world.

The United States contains 4.5% of the global population but consumes around 20% of the world's energy, has produced around the same share of the global carbon emissions, uses that portion of the world's farmland/water resources etc. For American-style capitalism to be sustainable at even present state as a world ideology we would need aprox. 5 earths. Indeed one of the central struggles between China and the US is the fact that the former has reached a point where China and its 1.4 billion people seeks to have the same share of the world's resources and living standards as the 350 or so million in America, following unsustainable capitalist growth.

PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
October 25 2020 15:54 GMT
#207018
Anyone watch the baseball world series last night? Insanely cool game.

The "don't criticize capitalism on your iphone" argument is silly imo. You wouldn't say the same thing about a north korean citizen criticizing communism on a phone made by a nationalized company.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2645 Posts
October 25 2020 18:06 GMT
#207019
I remember when haro was an anti bullying ranger

oh how the mighty have fallen
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
October 25 2020 20:19 GMT
#207020
Watching OG play makes me sad these days. There seems to be no plan other than picking unconventional heros and running at the enemy.
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
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