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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
If COVID is seasonal maybe it's that winter (and even fall) hasn't really started here yet? It's been super warm up until the last week. Not sure how weather has been in europe. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Number of cases of course extremely heavily depends on the amount of testing, different countries are also doing different kinds of test. Some tests count only infectious people, some count those who had it before. Some count duplicate tests for the same person, some don't. Number of deaths depends on the style of reporting. Sometimes countries test every death, some don't, some only people with respiratory trouble. Some report covid deaths only when it was directly responsible, some don't. Basically number of positive cases and number of deaths are both pretty worthless when comparing different countries to each other. Put them together into 'deaths per case' and you get an entirely worthless metric. People in intensive care, hospital capacity and excess mortality are all much clearer metrics. edit: Yeah, I did say 'new cases and deaths' just 2 posts before. In my defense, they're sort of useful metrics when comparing how a country is dealing with the virus at different times. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
EU is definitely doing real bad. My sister is a Dr in KY and she keeps texting us updated maps for the state that have been getting gradually redder over the past two weeks. Someone at my wife's work tested positive and had gone to work for a week with symptoms beforehand... | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
You can of course get tested privately. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On October 23 2020 23:14 cecek wrote: Ah yes, fuck capitalism. Neat. only people with their head in the sand can't recognize that the current form of capitalism is unsustainable. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On October 24 2020 03:28 Artisreal wrote: only people with their head in the sand can't recognize that the current form of capitalism is unsustainable. Dis you type this up on your iphone before or after ordering more useless shit from Amazon Prime? Yes I do think capitalism is sustainable. The overall standard of living in the world has never been better, not even remotely close. Sure, the USA housing market is in a bad place and some corporations (and thus their owners) are too big and should be broken up. But is capitalism bad? What do you propose, centrally planned economies? Because they always work. I dont respect fucking first world kids and this ‘capitalism is bad’ bullshit. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
This is an instance where you can be right and me too. Especially so as there's enough wealth, just so narrowly distributed. But that might be too much for the tavern | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
Honestly I'm kind of with you Art in terms of you both being right. There are a lot of unsustainable practices happening right now, even just economically if we want to narrow our scope. However, I think it's sort of a vague statement to say current capitalism is unsustainable because it doesn't address the differences in most mixed market economies in different countries. Canada and the US alone have a ton of differences in how we operate and how much influence the government has over different sectors. Then you bring in different countries in the EU and you see even more differences in terms of how much people are taxed and where that goes / who that helps. I've actually been a big believer in raising our federal sales tax rate in Canada by 1 or 2% for a few years now because we're accumulating more and more debt to cover the cost of our social programs and I'd rather expand our healthcare system and education (both of which are their own complicated subjects) instead of cutting them because over the last 15-20 years the federal sales tax rate has only been lowered. However we're in no position to raise taxes right now in the middle of a pandemic with hundreds of thousands of people out of work so it's very complicated but I wouldn't blame our country being capitalist (not that it is without blame either) for our current situation even pre-pandemic. There are some problems that we face here and with most capitalist systems that I wouldn't necessarily identify as being unique to capitalism as well but rather an issue with people in power in general being able to abuse their positions and as with most things we rely on those in power to fix loopholes as they are found instead of exploiting them which puts us in a really awful position when they are the ones abusing their positions. A lot of damage can be dealt before they are caught and we can vote them out of office and investigating can take a very very long time. On another note if you want to read about something sort of light-hearted having to do with Canadian corruption, this type of thing can be entertaining - https://globalnews.ca/news/2047355/senate-spending-scandal-was-23m-audit-worth-it-check-back-in-34-years/ The TLDR for that link is tax payers spent 24 million dollars to investigate our senate and found that they spent (roughly) 1.4 million dollars they shouldn't have. Potentially worth the cost but still kind of funny to spend that much to find that they were "wasting" so little by comparison. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
Here in Germany, tax investigators usually bring in more money than they cost. Our conservative party still likes to shrink their budget each term. The moment single people/companies have more wealth than whole countries and governments, the political power structure is out of balance. Ceceks outrage feels just like that comic. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://thenib.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/mister-gotcha-4-9faefa-1.jpg) | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Thats the equilibrium society exists in. You want to have innovation while keeping the masses relatively happy. USA definitely seems to be getting a bit too top heavy now, thats for sure. Lets hope reforms happen to fix it instead of some violent conflict, thats not good for anybody. | ||
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harodihg
Japan1344 Posts
dumbyhead lol | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
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harodihg
Japan1344 Posts
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superiormoba
Burkina Faso2 Posts
On October 24 2020 05:02 cecek wrote: Dis you type this up on your iphone before or after ordering more useless shit from Amazon Prime? Yes I do think capitalism is sustainable. The overall standard of living in the world has never been better, not even remotely close. Sure, the USA housing market is in a bad place and some corporations (and thus their owners) are too big and should be broken up. But is capitalism bad? What do you propose, centrally planned economies? Because they always work. I dont respect fucking first world kids and this ‘capitalism is bad’ bullshit. Firstly capitalism is not inherently contradictory to centrally planned state economies. Much of the increase in living quality across the world in the last 50 years has resulted from East Asian economies such as Japan, Korea, Taiwan and China following a highly centralized model of state capitalism, as well as India trending down the same path. Secondly American style capitalism may be somewhat close to stable only because America is the world hegemon, it is obviously not sustainable if it is to be implemented by any other sizeable country in the world. The United States contains 4.5% of the global population but consumes around 20% of the world's energy, has produced around the same share of the global carbon emissions, uses that portion of the world's farmland/water resources etc. For American-style capitalism to be sustainable at even present state as a world ideology we would need aprox. 5 earths. Indeed one of the central struggles between China and the US is the fact that the former has reached a point where China and its 1.4 billion people seeks to have the same share of the world's resources and living standards as the 350 or so million in America, following unsustainable capitalist growth. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
The "don't criticize capitalism on your iphone" argument is silly imo. You wouldn't say the same thing about a north korean citizen criticizing communism on a phone made by a nationalized company. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2807 Posts
oh how the mighty have fallen | ||
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
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