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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-17 14:10:33
October 17 2020 12:06 GMT
#206961
I dunno, Im not sure sc2 ever had a chance in the market against stuff like fortnite and LoL. Starcraft just isn't as accessible to a widening market compared to the other "competitive" games.

Brood war made more sense when the market for computer games was young, male and nerdy. Now that basically everyone under 45 plays video games, I think RTS' and cRPG's and the other old genres are going to become increasingly niche or evolve in to something more accessible the way XCOM did.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
October 17 2020 23:23 GMT
#206962
Why can't U swipe down for reload or left/right for history using Firefox mobile?
That would be a very qol addition to the app.
I think it's at least 18 months since I last complained about that
passive quaranstream fan
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 18 2020 06:28 GMT
#206963
On October 17 2020 21:06 PassiveAce wrote:
I dunno, Im not sure sc2 ever had a chance in the market against stuff like fortnite and LoL. Starcraft just isn't as accessible to a widening market compared to the other "competitive" games.

Brood war made more sense when the market for computer games was young, male and nerdy. Now that basically everyone under 45 plays video games, I think RTS' and cRPG's and the other old genres are going to become increasingly niche or evolve in to something more accessible the way XCOM did.

sc2 didnt need to compete against fortnite and LoL... an esports game doesnt need to be player accessible to the wide market. it merely needs to be accessible to watch and have a competitive player base with continual new blood, even if it is "niche". fgc games have existed like this for a long time
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-18 10:30:33
October 18 2020 10:30 GMT
#206964
On October 18 2020 15:28 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2020 21:06 PassiveAce wrote:
I dunno, Im not sure sc2 ever had a chance in the market against stuff like fortnite and LoL. Starcraft just isn't as accessible to a widening market compared to the other "competitive" games.

Brood war made more sense when the market for computer games was young, male and nerdy. Now that basically everyone under 45 plays video games, I think RTS' and cRPG's and the other old genres are going to become increasingly niche or evolve in to something more accessible the way XCOM did.

sc2 didnt need to compete against fortnite and LoL... an esports game doesnt need to be player accessible to the wide market. it merely needs to be accessible to watch and have a competitive player base with continual new blood, even if it is "niche". fgc games have existed like this for a long time

Very false, in my opinion. People love to say that, but for a game to be a good and popular esport, it first needs to have solid foundations as a good and popular game.

Like, when has there been a good/popular esport that was not a good/popular game first?
super gg
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-18 11:40:00
October 18 2020 11:33 GMT
#206965
Idk if anybody here is still watching broodwar but Flash just went 6-0 as random in the current ASL tournament. Also 100% winrate as protoss and zerg LOL

On October 15 2020 09:37 Faruko wrote:
Social Media is breeding ground for extremist


Tbf alot of extremists in history did not need internet to become one. Social media is merely a tool for propaganda albeit it makes it easier
this is a quote
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-18 11:53:35
October 18 2020 11:51 GMT
#206966
On October 18 2020 19:30 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2020 15:28 rabidch wrote:
On October 17 2020 21:06 PassiveAce wrote:
I dunno, Im not sure sc2 ever had a chance in the market against stuff like fortnite and LoL. Starcraft just isn't as accessible to a widening market compared to the other "competitive" games.

Brood war made more sense when the market for computer games was young, male and nerdy. Now that basically everyone under 45 plays video games, I think RTS' and cRPG's and the other old genres are going to become increasingly niche or evolve in to something more accessible the way XCOM did.

sc2 didnt need to compete against fortnite and LoL... an esports game doesnt need to be player accessible to the wide market. it merely needs to be accessible to watch and have a competitive player base with continual new blood, even if it is "niche". fgc games have existed like this for a long time

Very false, in my opinion. People love to say that, but for a game to be a good and popular esport, it first needs to have solid foundations as a good and popular game.

Like, when has there been a good/popular esport that was not a good/popular game first?

what i meant by "wide market" is Passive's "widening market" of people who arent young, male, and nerdy.

to restate what i think:
i dont really buy the argument that a game such as sc2 had no chance as an esport title because its not accessible to this "widening market" of people who arent young, male, and nerdy. i didnt say that the game didnt need to be good/popular.

heck league is still stupidly inaccessible to most people. people only view it as "accessible" when they played something like dota. the only extra thing going for it is that they made cute characters too
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
October 18 2020 12:22 GMT
#206967
Flash has got me watching BW regularly again
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-18 16:17:32
October 18 2020 15:57 GMT
#206968
On October 18 2020 20:51 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2020 19:30 cecek wrote:
On October 18 2020 15:28 rabidch wrote:
On October 17 2020 21:06 PassiveAce wrote:
I dunno, Im not sure sc2 ever had a chance in the market against stuff like fortnite and LoL. Starcraft just isn't as accessible to a widening market compared to the other "competitive" games.

Brood war made more sense when the market for computer games was young, male and nerdy. Now that basically everyone under 45 plays video games, I think RTS' and cRPG's and the other old genres are going to become increasingly niche or evolve in to something more accessible the way XCOM did.

sc2 didnt need to compete against fortnite and LoL... an esports game doesnt need to be player accessible to the wide market. it merely needs to be accessible to watch and have a competitive player base with continual new blood, even if it is "niche". fgc games have existed like this for a long time

Very false, in my opinion. People love to say that, but for a game to be a good and popular esport, it first needs to have solid foundations as a good and popular game.

Like, when has there been a good/popular esport that was not a good/popular game first?

what i meant by "wide market" is Passive's "widening market" of people who arent young, male, and nerdy.

to restate what i think:
i dont really buy the argument that a game such as sc2 had no chance as an esport title because its not accessible to this "widening market" of people who arent young, male, and nerdy. i didnt say that the game didnt need to be good/popular.

heck league is still stupidly inaccessible to most people. people only view it as "accessible" when they played something like dota. the only extra thing going for it is that they made cute characters too


I agree that having good competitors and a way for spectators to watch is enough to keep a esports community for a particular game alive, but those sorts of games are always going to live in the shadow of stuff like fortnite.

I'm not trying to say that sc2 was never a great esport with a great community, or that it won't continue to have a modest but successful competitive scene. I really just can't imagine a scenario where a game with as high a skill cap as starcraft comes to dominate the wider competitive scene. Consumer tastes have become too broad for that to happen again imo
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 18 2020 16:12 GMT
#206969
BW's best years were after blizzard stopped doing releases on it
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-18 23:17:07
October 18 2020 23:16 GMT
#206970
remember that time blizzard made a remaster of warcraft 3
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
October 18 2020 23:24 GMT
#206971
no
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 19 2020 00:33 GMT
#206972
I don't think wc3 ever got made. There was a lot of hype for it back in 98, but I think it turned out to be vaporware
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
October 19 2020 20:20 GMT
#206973
Let's just hope biden wins and we can start the process of healing the wounds of the USA. Might be a long road though.
passive quaranstream fan
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 19 2020 21:58 GMT
#206974
On October 20 2020 05:20 Artisreal wrote:
Let's just hope biden wins and we can start the process of healing the wounds of the USA. Might be a long road though.

I am increasingly convinced the only end to the political divide in the United States will be one of violence.
Writer@WriterYamato
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
October 19 2020 22:13 GMT
#206975
I've been wondering if a Biden win will provoke some of the militia types into staging attacks on government buildings again.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-19 22:39:39
October 19 2020 22:37 GMT
#206976
To be fair, for some idiotic reason, michigan had a law explicitly stating that was legal.

In vaguely humorous political news, a cnn legal commentator and new yorker writer apparently uh, exposed himself (and more) on zoom because he forgot the camera was on.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
October 19 2020 23:10 GMT
#206977
I found this to be a topical and good read on how the current gaping chasm in the American polity really boils down to the loss of trust with others and with their institutions. One president can't correct this; it relies more on the grassroots and local environment where you can rebuild trust, like with churches, unions, civic groups and volunteering.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/collapsing-levels-trust-are-devastating-america/616581/
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 00:28:27
October 20 2020 00:25 GMT
#206978
On October 20 2020 07:37 Nevuk wrote:
To be fair, for some idiotic reason, michigan had a law explicitly stating that was legal.

In vaguely humorous political news, a cnn legal commentator and new yorker writer apparently uh, exposed himself (and more) on zoom because he forgot the camera was on.

I was thinking more about timothy mcveigh and the oklahoma city bombing then that armed protest lol

Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 20 2020 06:42 GMT
#206979
Any1 know how many guild points various regions require for top X percentiles?

Apparently 90k guild points was top 1 on USW earlier today
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
October 20 2020 06:47 GMT
#206980
On October 20 2020 06:58 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2020 05:20 Artisreal wrote:
Let's just hope biden wins and we can start the process of healing the wounds of the USA. Might be a long road though.

I am increasingly convinced the only end to the political divide in the United States will be one of violence.

for a moment i thought firebolt145 wrote this because of the invoker icon
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