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On August 06 2012 09:46 YODA_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 09:42 AndyJay wrote:
Bloodseeker's strength is dominating the shit out of 1v1 mid laning. I'm not saying he can do this in pro games but at least at my MMR ( mid lvl pub games) a bs can last hit everything vs a low dmg solo ranged mid (and still do well and often win lane vs melee's as well) and get a huge gold/exp advantage which snowballs his ganking/carrying ability. So yes Night stalker is obviously a better ganker, but a NS can't regen form half hp back to full off one creep wave either. That may or may not be useful, and as a useful hero NS might be better overall, but they are not simply the same but NS better. NS is better, but in certain situations, for example, vs a sf mid, a decently played bs can completely dominate a lane and turn into a nightmare mid game, unlike any other hero. Obviously, if playing vs competent team, bs can be handled, but high level play isn't average, crap play is average.
BS has a lot of better matchups mid, particularly vs. a lot of ranged heroes. By comparison, NS has matchups that you pretty much have to get whatever farm you can before the first night.
BS is vulnerable to getting shut down by ganks early, but in low level pubs where supports don't gank as much and don't use Smoke, you can often just shut your lane opponent out of the game as BS.
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Pretty sure a ns rape the shit out of a sf, can't see a sf get a single lasthit before 3min
But tbh even a farmed bs feels just too squishy once 'real' carries get 2items. 
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Not sure if this is the right place to post about it or ask, it doesn't quite feel like a Simple Questions Simple Answers thing.
Anyways, I'm wondering if anyone knows of any VODs of tournament, or tournament level games that have the team's voice chat overlayed? I had watched a few of these done of HoN, but haven't found any in DOTA 2 yet, thanks!
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On August 06 2012 08:47 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 08:41 KezseN wrote:Im a bit behind in the dota 2 competitive scene so forgive me  but who are the PotM Bottom team? an unsponsered north american team. mostly canadians iirc.
They aren't sponsored? Wow,, talk about hard work and dedication lol. Anyways cheers man
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On August 06 2012 11:26 Shiverwarp wrote:
Not sure if this is the right place to post about it or ask, it doesn't quite feel like a Simple Questions Simple Answers thing.
Anyways, I'm wondering if anyone knows of any VODs of tournament, or tournament level games that have the team's voice chat overlayed? I had watched a few of these done of HoN, but haven't found any in DOTA 2 yet, thanks!
As far as I know there isn't any. Most don't use the in game voice but use skype/mumble/TS... instead. I know there has been some players streaming their games, though in all cases I know of they turned sound off to not give away information away to the opponent.
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Most people either overrate or underrate bloodseeker. He's not "good" but at the same time he's not as trash as people make him out to be ie. "just carry a tp", "gank him". Getting him on your team is often not good though since it means either that player thinks he's a good hero (ie they are a bad player) or they just don't care and want to have fun on bloodseeker.
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or theyre really good at randoming
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There are a couple of people that are so good that BS is still a win in their hands. There are also some people that are suited to that hero and play it best of their heroes, which means they win with that and lose with others, keeping at an mmr where it works for them.
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On August 06 2012 13:34 Yurie wrote:
As far as I know there isn't any. Most don't use the in game voice but use skype/mumble/TS... instead. I know there has been some players streaming their games, though in all cases I know of they turned sound off to not give away information away to the opponent.
Ah, well perhaps we can find one with a recording of the teamspeak/etc. That's how they did it in the HoN ones that I watched.
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On August 06 2012 03:56 acker wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 03:09 YODA_ wrote:
Many decently farmed bs get a basher for this reason.In pub games with good support his bloodbath means he can literally 1 v 5 if he has a bkb or is facing people without stuns. Bloodseeker isn't that big of a problem. Early game, just TP out of his Rupture. Mid Game, Ghost Scepter+TP works like a charm. And no, Force Staff does NOT interrupt TPs. (Apparently, Ghost Scepter cancels TP...Hm. Pray you have a decent disable, then.) Late Game, he'll either be doing decent as a carry should or he'll be grossly underfed because of a lack of ganks and farm. He'll be comfortably outcarried in this stage by Morphling, Naga Siren, Antimage...well, pretty much every carry besides Axe and Alchemist. As someone who mainly plays Tinker, getting successfully ganked by a solo Bloodseeker is rare...Laser/TP or Hex/TP is enough to run away from a roaming BS. Most of the sucessful ganks come from situations where Bloodseeker brings allies with him.
Casting tp while in ghost form will dispel ghost form
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On August 06 2012 17:33 chaosfreak11 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 03:56 acker wrote:On August 06 2012 03:09 YODA_ wrote:
Many decently farmed bs get a basher for this reason.In pub games with good support his bloodbath means he can literally 1 v 5 if he has a bkb or is facing people without stuns. Bloodseeker isn't that big of a problem. Early game, just TP out of his Rupture. Mid Game, Ghost Scepter+TP works like a charm. And no, Force Staff does NOT interrupt TPs. (Apparently, Ghost Scepter cancels TP...Hm. Pray you have a decent disable, then.) Late Game, he'll either be doing decent as a carry should or he'll be grossly underfed because of a lack of ganks and farm. He'll be comfortably outcarried in this stage by Morphling, Naga Siren, Antimage...well, pretty much every carry besides Axe and Alchemist. As someone who mainly plays Tinker, getting successfully ganked by a solo Bloodseeker is rare...Laser/TP or Hex/TP is enough to run away from a roaming BS. Most of the sucessful ganks come from situations where Bloodseeker brings allies with him. Casting tp while in ghost form will dispel ghost form
Addition to this, you can TP while in ghost form if you are using a Boots of Travel though. Helpful for Tinker against heroes like Rikimaru, Clinkz or Bounty Hunter who may be waiting around for you to TP in.
You can also use Boots of Travel then use Juggernaut's Bladefury (unless it changed in Dota 2).
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in pro games, when they have aggro from tower, they can change aggro to another target without walking out of range, how do they do that?
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On August 06 2012 19:12 Oakstream wrote:
in pro games, when they have aggro from tower, they can change aggro to another target without walking out of range, how do they do that?
A-Attack your own creep.
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Lalalaland34510 Posts
Should add that you have to be within attack range of that creep; easy if you're a ranged hero, harder if you're a melee hero. You don't actually have to hit it though (so cancel the animation immediately) and the creep doesn't have to be within deny range.
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On August 06 2012 19:29 Firebolt145 wrote:
Should add that you have to be within attack range of that creep; easy if you're a ranged hero, harder if you're a melee hero. You don't actually have to hit it though (so cancel the animation immediately) and the creep doesn't have to be within deny range.
Ah okay didn't know that either ^^
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it even works when u force aa a friendly hero :D
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If an ally is running from a tower and no creeps are in range, if you also are in range of the tower a click your ally and the tower will attack you instead. It has hardcoded to attack anybody who attacked the hero above anything else and this tricks it's ai. Can save your allies life quite often when diving together
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Lalalaland34510 Posts
On August 06 2012 19:45 Qbek wrote:
If an ally is running from a tower and no creeps are in range, if you also are in range of the tower a click your ally and the tower will attack you instead. It has hardcoded to attack anybody who attacked the hero above anything else and this tricks it's ai. Can save your allies life quite often when diving together
So THAT's what it was. I had read something like this but had forgotten exactly how it worked years ago.
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^That is super useful. thanks for sharing 
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On a really good roll recently. Feels fantastic Abusing templar assassin a bit much perhaps. Stomped the shit out of xboct+godkillthemall and then the dota0-dota-1-dota2 (I think it's a ueblst stack? Dota2 is kuroky.) Also took 5 straight wins with a nice guy from the teamliquid chat. Even when I had to support this morning, my team just played well across all the lanes.
E: typo
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