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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On August 06 2012 22:56 Unleashing wrote: Him being stronger in lane depends entirely on his enemy. And no his ulti has no real effect the second the enemies he need to target gets items that prevent him from touching them, like a bkb. And his silence is a double edged sword. And i never said he was bad in pubs, i just said he's not a very good hero. A lot of not so good heroes do fantastically in pubs. I mean a night stalker with aghanim is 10 times more useful than a blood seeker in a game with good players. yes, because you'll always have a bkb and you obviously always want to hit bkb when you get ruptured from 1000 distance, often before the teamfight even begins silencing supports is almost never bad, and certain heroes get absolutely crippled by silence you're saying he's not even useful to the team even if he wins his lane, and that's not true at all | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On August 06 2012 23:03 Dead9 wrote: yes, because you'll always have a bkb and you obviously always want to hit bkb when you get ruptured from 1000 distance, often before the teamfight even begins silencing supports is almost never bad, and certain heroes get absolutely crippled by silence you're saying he's not even useful to the team even if he wins his lane, and that's not true at all Why would you BKB if you got ruptured when him and his team is far away from you? You can just wait for it to wear off, and if they come and engage on you, then you'll need to bkb anyway. And yes lategame against a BS you'll have a bkb. And yes he can be useful if he wins his lane, but he'd be a lot more useful if he was a hero that actually did what bloodseeker attempts to do, better. He's a bad hero against good opponents. Pubs rarely have any coordination, at all, which is why heroes like him can work there. I'd personally much rather have a night stalker on my team, because he's a better hero. Any hero can be useful to his team granted the right circumstances, doesn't mean the hero is good/bad/decent. Just like if you win your lane and your opponent feeds you, sure a spirit breaker can be useful, does this make spirit breaker a good hero? Nope. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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Slomo
Germany7198 Posts
On August 06 2012 21:07 SilverStar wrote: mouzsports will no longer stream on twitch since they have now a contract with own3d. So cwm, singsing and black will be streaming on own3d. CWM streaming onm twitch now. Why? | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On August 06 2012 23:19 Unleashing wrote: so it's lategame all game long then? and somehow all of their heroes have bkb? what are you gonna tell me next, sven stun sucks cus you can just bkb it? tree ult sucks because you can just bkb out of it? i mean obviously bkb is nice to have against bloodseeker, but there's still plenty of scenarios where rupture is useful for forcing bkbs or forcing fights, and on top of that it does a decent chunk of initial damage anyway he's a bad hero against organized teams, sure, but nobody plays seriously in pub games anyway, and were aren't talking about scrims or anything so i don't see how that's relevant at all | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34510 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
it's okay close enough now | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
On August 06 2012 23:59 Dead9 wrote: so it's lategame all game long then? and somehow all of their heroes have bkb? what are you gonna tell me next, sven stun sucks cus you can just bkb it? tree ult sucks because you can just bkb out of it? i mean obviously bkb is nice to have against bloodseeker, but there's still plenty of scenarios where rupture is useful for forcing bkbs or forcing fights, and on top of that it does a decent chunk of initial damage anyway he's a bad hero against organized teams, sure, but nobody plays seriously in pub games anyway, and were aren't talking about scrims or anything so i don't see how that's relevant at all You can't dodge teant protector ult and sven stun with bkb afaik. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On August 07 2012 00:06 BlitzerSC wrote: You can't dodge teant protector ult and sven stun with bkb afaik. you can bkb out of tree ult (after it's cast) and bkb to block sven stun (pretty easily because the projectile is so slow) | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
Is Dota2 down? it gives me connecting to network for a long time and then is very slow. | ||
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On August 06 2012 23:59 Dead9 wrote: so it's lategame all game long then? and somehow all of their heroes have bkb? Did i say that? No? Yea, i didn't think so. On August 06 2012 23:59 Dead9 wrote:what are you gonna tell me next, sven stun sucks cus you can just bkb it? tree ult sucks because you can just bkb out of it? Why would i say any of those two things? Especially because you're making a really horrible comparison by bringing the two of those up. First of all sven's isn't an ulti, second of all treant protector can fire his ulti off after the enemies use their BKBs or force them to keep it for his ulti, bkb vs blood seeker ulti on the other hand? Fucks hard with it. On August 06 2012 23:59 Dead9 wrote:I mean obviously bkb is nice to have against bloodseeker, but there's still plenty of scenarios where rupture is useful for forcing bkbs or forcing fights, and on top of that it does a decent chunk of initial damage anyway Sure, did i say otherwise? Nope, i did not. On August 06 2012 23:59 Dead9 wrote:he's a bad hero against organized teams, sure, but nobody plays seriously in pub games anyway, and were aren't talking about scrims or anything so i don't see how that's relevant at all Did i ever say he was a hero that didn't work in pubs? Hey, let's look back quickly... Nope, i didn't. On the other hand i said he's a bad hero against good players, which is correct. Sorry, but you're putting words in my mouth there, which i am not interested in, i never said anything about pub seeker not working in pubs, quite the opposite, i've said that he does indeed work in pubs. But not against good players. Everything is useful given the right scenarios, blood seeker thrives in scenarios where the enemies aren't organized, and against any even remotely competent players it's not hard to go lategame against a pub-seeker, because he doesn't help much with pushing, at all. So getting lategame against him is not really hard, most of the time, unless of course the rest of his team is focused around pushing or something and you have 5 melee carries, but again, i never said that he'd never work against pubs, which is where you'd find 5 melee carries on one team. But against good players, he's a horrible hero. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34510 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On August 07 2012 01:56 Firebolt145 wrote: I think we need graphs to look at Bloodseeker's pub winrate and from there decide whether or not Bloodseeker is OP or UP. 50.88% winrate, 3rd highest average kill per game, average number of deaths and last hits and 16th highest average GPM in the game. I vote OP. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On August 07 2012 01:56 Firebolt145 wrote: I think we need graphs to look at Bloodseeker's pub winrate and from there decide whether or not Bloodseeker is OP or UP. Agreed. But what happens if every bloodseeker in the front few pages for live matches get a victory? Is he then truly as good as ursa? | ||
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