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On July 29 2012 21:18 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 20:09 Firebolt145 wrote:
I have never been in low priority but I have queued with friends who were. Every time I queued with that it would take 15 minutes minimum to get a game, which would be almost guaranteed to be ruined by leavers. I am also more tempted to believe that it takes more than one game worth of everyone reporting you to stick in that queue.
I am happy with all of this. If you're getting placed in the leavers queue, I dare say you deserve it even if you think you don't. as funny as it might sounds, my normal search average time is 15 mins per game too. The thing is people dont actually hit decline in low priority and they actually load unlike normal priority queue where you could search for a game in 8 mins and they got declined -> research. And yes, stating the number of game you play is pretty much meaning less. This is an issue where the system became a tool to punish people you hate, a bully mechanic when you could just gang up on a player with not much reason. If i queue on EU only and play 3 games in a row, somehow i got more than 2 loses out of those 3 games i will be put in low priority queue. People already started to report each other for no reason already. Ok, changing topic: Furion jungle guide: Skill teleport first, buy mass branches (6 slots). Quickly tele to ward spot in rad jungle and farm the first big camp there without taking any damage (unless its troll camp). Then tele to a special spot in dire near river camp (the place where u normally ward for rune) and farm that place. You can do it over and over, guarantee 1 level per min and get a midas pretty quickly WHILE skilling teleport over trees. You will have teleport to gank over the map and almost always have enough mana to do so. Example replay: 29045258, 29009547
Neat idea, might give it a try! Though, of course, doing it on the Dire side of the map could lead to you getting first blooded instead if the spot is warded. It was a common tactic to do what you mentioned in Dota 1, except there was a clearing southeast of that Dire camp so you could farm it from there instead of the usual ward spot.
Also, has anyone observed how the creeps move away when hurt by invisible heroes now? You can do stacked camp farming via smoke in Dota 1 at certain camps because they don't run away properly (they move into the cliff, if you understand that) such as leftmost Sentinel camp.
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If you're not yourself in leaver queue, even if you party with a friend who's in, you will recieve bp
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On July 29 2012 21:25 The Great Taste wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 21:18 NB wrote:On July 29 2012 20:09 Firebolt145 wrote:
I have never been in low priority but I have queued with friends who were. Every time I queued with that it would take 15 minutes minimum to get a game, which would be almost guaranteed to be ruined by leavers. I am also more tempted to believe that it takes more than one game worth of everyone reporting you to stick in that queue.
I am happy with all of this. If you're getting placed in the leavers queue, I dare say you deserve it even if you think you don't. as funny as it might sounds, my normal search average time is 15 mins per game too. The thing is people dont actually hit decline in low priority and they actually load unlike normal priority queue where you could search for a game in 8 mins and they got declined -> research. And yes, stating the number of game you play is pretty much meaning less. This is an issue where the system became a tool to punish people you hate, a bully mechanic when you could just gang up on a player with not much reason. If i queue on EU only and play 3 games in a row, somehow i got more than 2 loses out of those 3 games i will be put in low priority queue. People already started to report each other for no reason already. Ok, changing topic: Furion jungle guide: Skill teleport first, buy mass branches (6 slots). Quickly tele to ward spot in rad jungle and farm the first big camp there without taking any damage (unless its troll camp). Then tele to a special spot in dire near river camp (the place where u normally ward for rune) and farm that place. You can do it over and over, guarantee 1 level per min and get a midas pretty quickly WHILE skilling teleport over trees. You will have teleport to gank over the map and almost always have enough mana to do so. Example replay: 29045258, 29009547 Neat idea, might give it a try! Though, of course, doing it on the Dire side of the map could lead to you getting first blooded instead if the spot is warded. It was a common tactic to do what you mentioned in Dota 1, except there was a clearing southeast of that Dire camp so you could farm it from there instead of the usual ward spot. Also, has anyone observed how the creeps move away when hurt by invisible heroes now? You can do stacked camp farming via smoke in Dota 1 at certain camps because they don't run away properly (they move into the cliff, if you understand that) such as leftmost Sentinel camp.
actually no. the place on the dire side is extremely hard to spot if not impossible to get vision on. its a very special spot, watch replay for exact detail. I think enemies could only see you if you start attacking them.
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Lalalaland34510 Posts
On July 29 2012 21:18 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 20:09 Firebolt145 wrote:
I have never been in low priority but I have queued with friends who were. Every time I queued with that it would take 15 minutes minimum to get a game, which would be almost guaranteed to be ruined by leavers. I am also more tempted to believe that it takes more than one game worth of everyone reporting you to stick in that queue.
I am happy with all of this. If you're getting placed in the leavers queue, I dare say you deserve it even if you think you don't. as funny as it might sounds, my normal search average time is 15 mins per game too. The thing is people dont actually hit decline in low priority and they actually load unlike normal priority queue where you could search for a game in 8 mins and they got declined -> research. And yes, stating the number of game you play is pretty much meaning less. This is an issue where the system became a tool to punish people you hate, a bully mechanic when you could just gang up on a player with not much reason. If i queue on EU only and play 3 games in a row, somehow i got more than 2 loses out of those 3 games i will be put in low priority queue. People already started to report each other for no reason already.
15 minutes per game is pretty extreme for me on EU, I generally get 8 minutes, max. Declines are also maybe one in every 3 queues, and this was before the new 'can't requeue after declining' patch. I don't know if I'm extremely lucky or you're extremely unlucky.
I've also never experienced the report spam that you claim to be suffering from. Multiple times I've lost 2-3 games in a row while solo queueing and being stuck with a stack of Russians and I've never been put in the low priority queue. Perhaps I've been stuck with the nicest of Russians, who knows.
I'll be blunt. Are you sure you're not just being a massive dick to everyone in your games and you're just forgetting this when you find you've been mass reported?
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On July 29 2012 21:42 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2012 21:25 The Great Taste wrote:On July 29 2012 21:18 NB wrote:On July 29 2012 20:09 Firebolt145 wrote:
I have never been in low priority but I have queued with friends who were. Every time I queued with that it would take 15 minutes minimum to get a game, which would be almost guaranteed to be ruined by leavers. I am also more tempted to believe that it takes more than one game worth of everyone reporting you to stick in that queue.
I am happy with all of this. If you're getting placed in the leavers queue, I dare say you deserve it even if you think you don't. as funny as it might sounds, my normal search average time is 15 mins per game too. The thing is people dont actually hit decline in low priority and they actually load unlike normal priority queue where you could search for a game in 8 mins and they got declined -> research. And yes, stating the number of game you play is pretty much meaning less. This is an issue where the system became a tool to punish people you hate, a bully mechanic when you could just gang up on a player with not much reason. If i queue on EU only and play 3 games in a row, somehow i got more than 2 loses out of those 3 games i will be put in low priority queue. People already started to report each other for no reason already. Ok, changing topic: Furion jungle guide: Skill teleport first, buy mass branches (6 slots). Quickly tele to ward spot in rad jungle and farm the first big camp there without taking any damage (unless its troll camp). Then tele to a special spot in dire near river camp (the place where u normally ward for rune) and farm that place. You can do it over and over, guarantee 1 level per min and get a midas pretty quickly WHILE skilling teleport over trees. You will have teleport to gank over the map and almost always have enough mana to do so. Example replay: 29045258, 29009547 Neat idea, might give it a try! Though, of course, doing it on the Dire side of the map could lead to you getting first blooded instead if the spot is warded. It was a common tactic to do what you mentioned in Dota 1, except there was a clearing southeast of that Dire camp so you could farm it from there instead of the usual ward spot. Also, has anyone observed how the creeps move away when hurt by invisible heroes now? You can do stacked camp farming via smoke in Dota 1 at certain camps because they don't run away properly (they move into the cliff, if you understand that) such as leftmost Sentinel camp. actually no. the place on the dire side is extremely hard to spot if not impossible to get vision on. its a very special spot, watch replay for exact detail. I think enemies could only see you if you start attacking them.
what do you do when you run into a troll spawn in your first one or two passes? just wait for tp CD and tp out?
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Nah that kind of jungling with furion is just useless. You never want to level tp over treants, and with treants jungling you are normally faster.
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and treants allow you to push towers :o
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Never been put in the low priority que either and I have played a lot of games aswell. Never suffered from report abuse or something cause I am a nice guy(or rather, I don't say anything at all when people start whining).
except to the people who are queing with me ofcourse
I can't say I have had this problem.
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Well, I'm guessing the idea is that:
a) You get more levels up on TP which can allow you to help lanes and then go back to farming a lot faster
b) Save money on the clarities you need early to jungle with treants
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I don't really think that the reduced cd on TP is useful early game
And the treants are you just too good at pushing lanes.
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ofc in pub its not useful but in competitive games maxing Teleport first is pretty common. You rush urn and just fly everywhere to ensure kill for your team. It requires a dedicate disabler nuker line up so you cant find it as much in pub. The point is you always have a mana pool available to gank/tp when ever your team needs you unlike the treant build where you will have to stay really low on mana for majority of the game. Also not wasting money on mana regen item early on does helps quite a bit.
For the troll camp chance: i use TP very early on in the game before the game start so at 0:30, if i see a troll camp, i could switch to other camp and farm it-> farm small camp-> use treant farm troll camp. With ton of branches early game, troll camp is no big deal for furion  .
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You can do the same with a 50 second cd on tp..
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actually no. Early game mana will majority went into your treants which often cause the lack of mana for Tele+sprout. Not even counting the mobility that you gain mid game due to the cooldown reduction.
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Really hate that they constantly keep remaking the item icons. Don't like the current ones
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On July 30 2012 00:48 Yoshi- wrote:
You can do the same with a 50 second cd on tp..
It's pretty much impossible to NOT get massive farm during the midgame, that's why early levels in TP to actually accomplish things on a 20s basis instead of chilling in the jungle is something that's definitly valuable. afaik there are top chinese players who max treants/tp depending on circumstances/teamcomps/gameflow. Saying one is ALWAYS better is a pretty weak statement.
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Lalalaland34510 Posts
Do you really find that having a 20 second tp so early in the game actually helps that much?
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Ganking orientated (ie slower farm and can be useless if failed) furi build-> tp. Usual pushing/farming furi build->treants. But either way sprout shouldn't get more level than treants, unless you really opt for hardcore ganking furi which is just....hardcore....
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its like people post without reading.... JESUS ~_~
on the other news, TPL got 16k viewers and itgosu stream has 4k ish... Looking good for online tournaments
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United States47024 Posts
On July 30 2012 01:54 Firebolt145 wrote:
Do you really find that having a 20 second tp so early in the game actually helps that much?
20 second TP lets you put insane pressure on the lanes.
Before Panda disbanded and 830 went inactive, he would go 2 ranks Treants->max Teleport. Lets you have Teleport up way more often in the level 5-7 range to gank/counter-gank. He also did that level 1 teleport stuff quite a bit, but be stopped doing it when other teams figured it out and it became pretty dangerous for him to do it in competitive games.
The only reason max Treants with 1 rank Teleport is more common now is because of these farmy Hand of Midas builds. Though higher ranks of Teleport are still often seen--it's very situational.
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