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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 03:33:30
July 29 2012 03:32 GMT
#15461
TBH I think reports needed for X action should be unique per game (can be reported a max of once per game played). IMO the number of people that report someone is generally less indicative of misbehavior than the fact that they were reported at all in a given game, because of how high the variance can be in terms of how actively people report.

Someone who got reported separately in 9 different games is probably more likely to be doing something wrong than someone who got reported by 9 people in one game.
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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
July 29 2012 03:57 GMT
#15462
On July 29 2012 12:32 TheYango wrote:
TBH I think reports needed for X action should be unique per game (can be reported a max of once per game played). IMO the number of people that report someone is generally less indicative of misbehavior than the fact that they were reported at all in a given game, because of how high the variance can be in terms of how actively people report.

Someone who got reported separately in 9 different games is probably more likely to be doing something wrong than someone who got reported by 9 people in one game.


Agree, it's very easy for "OMG REPORT XY" to go completely out of control with everyone ending up gangbanging on one dude. There should be a way to reflect something like the above in their algorythm.

Though to be honest both the amount of people shouting for reports but also the amount of people I'd like to report myself is pretty low for me. I think I had like... 10 cases total over 300 games where people behaved like total asshats.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 29 2012 04:00 GMT
#15463
I was thinking about some sort of heavy penalty for false report but it requires man power which is a huge downside.

To be honest, low piority queue now aday isnt even much worse. There are simply too much people in there that i could find games at normal searching time and people in there often try harder than normal games which lead to really good and exciting games. The only down side is you dont get exp and most of them speak russian . I had to pretend that im russian at 1 point, just da da da axaxaxaxax -_-
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 05:49:38
July 29 2012 05:39 GMT
#15464
Uh well, valve probably looks at the case itself to see if it warrants punishment. I'd like to see more confirmation on said report system. And needing around 10? That's pretty fucking hard to achieve even with a full team of russians you'd need the other team hopping on the boat as well.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 29 2012 05:56 GMT
#15465
On July 29 2012 14:39 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Uh well, valve probably looks at the case itself to see if it warrants punishment. I'd like to see more confirmation on said report system. And needing around 10? That's pretty fucking hard to achieve even with a full team of russians you'd need the other team hopping on the boat as well.

That's in one game though.

You pretty much only need to get trolled by 2 4-stacks + a random rager here or there to hit that count of 10 without even doing anything.
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JumboJohnson
Profile Joined December 2011
537 Posts
July 29 2012 06:44 GMT
#15466
There's only ten people in a game, counting yourself. So it would take at least 2 games.
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
July 29 2012 07:03 GMT
#15467
Yeah, I think "report" is turning into a form of attack instead of being used for something actually worth it. I've seen matches where just because someone does bad, people yell "report X". I'm sorry, there is a big difference between straight up feeding and simply being bad.

I do like the idea of people being flagged based on a multitude of matches and not a single one. Sadly, playing online games over the years, I have come to realize that there will be no perfect system and we will never be satisfied.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
tpmraven
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States833 Posts
July 29 2012 07:53 GMT
#15468
600 games and i have never been in low prio. I can see some people maybe getting unlucky and being dropped into low prio once because of this stated abuse, but if you are gettins sent to low prio more then that... chances are you deserve it.
(⌐■_■) Like a boss
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12185 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 08:25:10
July 29 2012 08:24 GMT
#15469
On July 29 2012 16:53 tpmraven wrote:
600 games and i have never been in low prio. I can see some people maybe getting unlucky and being dropped into low prio once because of this stated abuse, but if you are gettins sent to low prio more then that... chances are you deserve it.


Over 1k games, never been in low prio. (I do have one abandon when my internet went down. :/)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 29 2012 08:27 GMT
#15470
No real point in stating how many games you've played without being in low priority. The change is pretty recent, so the vast majority of the games you've played are probably on the old system.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66366 Posts
July 29 2012 11:05 GMT
#15471
On July 29 2012 11:45 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 11:20 igotmyown wrote:
On July 28 2012 20:08 Percutio wrote:
LoH is amazing, but wr is his signature hero. Best is kind of a weird thing for a team like navi. Dendi plays a lot of high apm heroes really well, but LoH pulls off some big plays too. I think the breaking point for navi is xboct. If he has a good game the enemy stands no chance. Dendi and loh make flashy plays but to be honest the team's fundamentals usually win them games more.


Navi doesn't seem to use Windrunner offlane that much. Dendi's played solo mid WR a few notable times. Navi prefers darkseer offlane if they can get it, earlier in the year they preferred to run enigma danger lane, and these days they're running aggressive trilane or sylla.

So calling windrunner LoH's signature hero seems less valid than calling WR most other team's off laner's signature hero. Light of heavens most impressive offlane performances are some of his spring dark seer games, when he'd go beyond godlike and kept diving like crazy.


LOH used to play a lot of offlane WR months ago, but it's usually Dendi now on WR mid, with LOH mostly on DS/Sylla offlane

sry but am i the only one who thinks LoH -> furion as well?
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34510 Posts
July 29 2012 11:09 GMT
#15472
I have never been in low priority but I have queued with friends who were. Every time I queued with that it would take 15 minutes minimum to get a game, which would be almost guaranteed to be ruined by leavers. I am also more tempted to believe that it takes more than one game worth of everyone reporting you to stick in that queue.

I am happy with all of this. If you're getting placed in the leavers queue, I dare say you deserve it even if you think you don't.
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The Great Taste
Profile Joined January 2012
389 Posts
July 29 2012 11:15 GMT
#15473
On July 29 2012 20:09 Firebolt145 wrote:
I have never been in low priority but I have queued with friends who were. Every time I queued with that it would take 15 minutes minimum to get a game, which would be almost guaranteed to be ruined by leavers. I am also more tempted to believe that it takes more than one game worth of everyone reporting you to stick in that queue.

I am happy with all of this. If you're getting placed in the leavers queue, I dare say you deserve it even if you think you don't.


Well, I've also queued with a friend in the low priority queue a while ago, and we couldn't find a game at all once! What happened was after about 20 minutes, we got a red dot when we found a game, and then didn't find another game for another 20 minutes so we all stopped playing.

However, the 2 games I have played in the leaver queue had no leavers AND I actually recall (ironically) that the people were well mannered in both games! I'm guessing people want to try and get out of that queue after experiencing the long search times and so behave a bit better (or it's just a lot of people queueing with their friends haha).
Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
July 29 2012 11:38 GMT
#15474
Well sometimes people get thrown into the LP queue because of internet instability issues rather than a straight out rage quit. I got two abandoned games due to a technical problem.
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
July 29 2012 12:00 GMT
#15475
Was searching for more details about Zenith and stumbled onto this baby

http://teamzenith.wordpress.com/profiles/team-roster/iceiceice/
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
July 29 2012 12:13 GMT
#15476
I once entered a low priority game, even though I had 0 abandons and didn't accumulate enough reports. It had terribad players, and IIRC people just left and gave me a free win. The question is, how did I get into that game? So if high priority players get mixed into low priority games, they don't earn BP?
=Þ
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
July 29 2012 12:16 GMT
#15477
they dont earn BP. Iv played two games in leaver pool due to my internet conking out twice in the same day and both games were decided by first blood because each time the team that gave first blood would leave immediately.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
July 29 2012 12:18 GMT
#15478
On July 29 2012 21:16 PassiveAce wrote:
they dont earn BP. Iv played two games in leaver pool due to my internet conking out twice in the same day and both games were decided by first blood because each time the team that gave first blood would leave immediately.

I'm asking if high priority players in games with low priority players earn BP.

When I see someone with 50+ wins and are level 1/2, I pray that they're not on my team.
=Þ
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 12:19:23
July 29 2012 12:18 GMT
#15479
On July 29 2012 20:09 Firebolt145 wrote:
I have never been in low priority but I have queued with friends who were. Every time I queued with that it would take 15 minutes minimum to get a game, which would be almost guaranteed to be ruined by leavers. I am also more tempted to believe that it takes more than one game worth of everyone reporting you to stick in that queue.

I am happy with all of this. If you're getting placed in the leavers queue, I dare say you deserve it even if you think you don't.

as funny as it might sounds, my normal search average time is 15 mins per game too. The thing is people dont actually hit decline in low priority and they actually load unlike normal priority queue where you could search for a game in 8 mins and they got declined -> research.

And yes, stating the number of game you play is pretty much meaning less. This is an issue where the system became a tool to punish people you hate, a bully mechanic when you could just gang up on a player with not much reason. If i queue on EU only and play 3 games in a row, somehow i got more than 2 loses out of those 3 games i will be put in low priority queue. People already started to report each other for no reason already.


Ok, changing topic: Furion jungle guide:
Skill teleport first, buy mass branches (6 slots).
Quickly tele to ward spot in rad jungle and farm the first big camp there without taking any damage (unless its troll camp).
Then tele to a special spot in dire near river camp (the place where u normally ward for rune) and farm that place.

You can do it over and over, guarantee 1 level per min and get a midas pretty quickly WHILE skilling teleport over trees.
You will have teleport to gank over the map and almost always have enough mana to do so.
Example replay: 29045258, 29009547
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 12:23:10
July 29 2012 12:21 GMT
#15480
On July 29 2012 21:18 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 21:16 PassiveAce wrote:
they dont earn BP. Iv played two games in leaver pool due to my internet conking out twice in the same day and both games were decided by first blood because each time the team that gave first blood would leave immediately.

I'm asking if high priority players in games with low priority players earn BP.

When I see someone with 50+ wins and are level 1/2, I pray that they're not on my team.

Im pretty sure that people in regular queue will get BP even if matched with low priority queuers. I dont know if you get BP if your in a party with someone in low priority though.

remember that it counts wins that were made before the leveling system went live, so someone with 50 wins and half a level is probably someone who just hasnt played in a while.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
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