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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
August 12 2014 19:47 GMT
#122681
the majority of QTE are just cutscenes where you have to press a button, theyre the bad ones
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 19:51:05
August 12 2014 19:49 GMT
#122682
On August 13 2014 04:44 SKC wrote:
Its pretty silly to compare it to Hearthstone. In most single player games, if you play perfectly you are not supposed to lose. By definition that cannot be true in a multiplayer game, specially not a card game.

If you play Gods Will Be Watching perfectly, you will easily complete the game without dying once. And I was just trying to show the amount of rng the game has and I thought many people knew hearthstone, I know it's not the best comparison.
super gg
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 12 2014 19:50 GMT
#122683
I blame GWBW for requiring to much trial and error to figure out the rules sets of the puzzle and the puzzles for being to long. Its a game with some big ideas and some big flaws. The part I enjoyed in the game was overshadowed by the my annoyance with how long each scenario took.

And lets be clear, I played started Dark Souls over GWBW. The problem with the game is not the difficulty, but the risk to reward ratio.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7080 Posts
August 12 2014 19:52 GMT
#122684
On August 13 2014 03:50 Torte de Lini wrote:
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On August 13 2014 03:46 Plansix wrote:
With the amount of yang Richard Lewis was talking about reddit recently, I'm not really that shocked. He really didn't like that they banned Chanman. Just surprised it took this long.


I would think they would shadowban him on legitimate grounds, not to fuel his bitter drive or to acknowledge his rantings.


how can he be shadowbanned if you can still visit his profile just fine?

http://www.reddit.com/user/ESH_Richard_Lewis


Compare to an actual shadowbanned user (slasher): http://www.reddit.com/user/slashered
AdministratorIn those days, spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women, and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
August 12 2014 19:55 GMT
#122685
On August 13 2014 04:49 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 04:44 SKC wrote:
Its pretty silly to compare it to Hearthstone. In most single player games, if you play perfectly you are not supposed to lose. By definition that cannot be true in a multiplayer game, specially not a card game.

If you play Gods Will Be Watching perfectly, you will easily complete the game without dying once. And I was just trying to show the amount of rng the game has and I thought many people knew hearthstone, I know it's not the best comparison.

Perfectly may be too strong of a word, but its still a silly comparison. Card game have RNG, they should have, be it Hearthstone, Magic or Poker. Single player games dont need that. So people will obviously compare it to their experiences in single player games.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 12 2014 19:58 GMT
#122686
It's either trial and error or planning. I didn't really redo the levels too much, but I did a lot of planning. I counted the amount of turns in the torture mission and wrote a plane of what I wanted Liam to bring me for each elvel in advance. In the desert mission I drew a map on a piece of paper. The other missions didn't really require that much book keeping, but you still had to think it through.

You either like that kind of stuff or you don't. Personally, I loved that. If you don't like it that's fine, but I don't see how reviewers can claim that it's an objective negative, claim that it's bad game design and give the game a bad rating because of it.
super gg
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
August 12 2014 19:59 GMT
#122687
On August 13 2014 04:52 tehh4ck3r wrote:
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On August 13 2014 03:50 Torte de Lini wrote:
On August 13 2014 03:46 Plansix wrote:
With the amount of yang Richard Lewis was talking about reddit recently, I'm not really that shocked. He really didn't like that they banned Chanman. Just surprised it took this long.


I would think they would shadowban him on legitimate grounds, not to fuel his bitter drive or to acknowledge his rantings.


how can he be shadowbanned if you can still visit his profile just fine?

http://www.reddit.com/user/ESH_Richard_Lewis


Compare to an actual shadowbanned user (slasher): http://www.reddit.com/user/slashered

Because he obviously is no longer shadowbanned
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 20:04:45
August 12 2014 20:03 GMT
#122688
Reviews are not objective, so that problem solves itself.

Reviews are peoples personal experiences and enjoyment of the game and a guide for people future purchasing decisions. Reviewers build up a level of trust with their given audience and that audience bases their purchases on those review. If they found parts to be frustrating or not enjoyable, they should tell people that. There are reviewers that I take with a grain of salt, but I never want them to give a game a high score that they didn't enjoy.

GWBW has some good points, but there is a reason they put in that quick patch with the other modes and its because people really didn't like how brutal the game was.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 12 2014 20:21 GMT
#122689
Yeah, reviews are subjective, that's fine. I would be ok with someone saying "the game is too hard, I didn't like it 1/10", but what pisses me off is that many of the reviews have factually wrong information and are presenting the design decisions of the game as something that is not functional and objectively wrong, almost as if it was a bug.

Rant about the second highest rated steam review has some spoilers:
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"Trial and error elements are also at play in the same chapter, where the pattern of torture is easy to circumvent if you know in advance what is coming but you'd only know that through hindsight and past failures."

Again... it's a puzzle, but this guy is expecting to beat it coming into it blind for the first try. The game is not meant to be beat on the first try.

"Chapter 3 has shifting goalposts - devised a plan around what you were told at the start of the mission? Too bad chump! We've got more work to do! Again, only hindsight would allow you to plan for the "real" goalposts"

Yes. Except if you pay attention to the dialogue you would know there are two phases to finding the cure.

"Chapter 5 is purely luck! Find a hidden base, that is in a randomised location each time!"

That's just wrong. The game tells you exactly which direction the base is (south-west, for example) and after each step you can check if you're getting closer and further away.

This guy's bad at the game, doesn't understand that GWBW is a puzzle game, but he's making it sound like these are objective flaws with the game.
super gg
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
August 12 2014 20:25 GMT
#122690
i think the minimum wage is bullshit and only hurts the economy
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-12 20:30:01
August 12 2014 20:27 GMT
#122691
I would say that game that cannot be beat on the first try and also demand 30-45 minutes of your time have their work cut out for them. If you look at GWBW vs a game like FTL, both are brutally punishing, but FTL makes the moment to moment decision making rewarding and not repetitive. GWBW doesn't and its repetitive, which makes the game less rewarding for some.

Also, I looked that the meta critic scores and most of them were between 60-70, which sounds about right. A lot of them pointed out the effort/reward ratio and that the game was to punishing for the amount of time spent.

On August 13 2014 05:25 Targe wrote:
i think the minimum wage is bullshit and only hurts the economy


There are like 20 thousand economist that disagree.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
August 12 2014 20:31 GMT
#122692
tipping also seems stupid, i dont see the point in paying extra for something youve beenc harged for
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 12 2014 20:38 GMT
#122693
Just the tip, targe.
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
August 12 2014 20:39 GMT
#122694
On August 13 2014 05:31 Targe wrote:
tipping also seems stupid, i dont see the point in paying extra for something youve beenc harged for

Tipping is indeed exploitational and dumb and should be illegal in terms of employing people for sub-minimum wage because they "get tips"
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
August 12 2014 20:39 GMT
#122695
Yes, the game cannot be beaten on the first try going into it blind. Yes, it requires thinking and planning each level out. Same as any other competent puzzle game. The difference is that GWBW has a few very long levels, so failing them is more punishing. While most puzzle levels in puzzle games are very short and so failing them is not that much of a big deal. I personally think it's a good thing that the levels in GWBW are so long, because it's not quite like any other puzzle game I've played, it was a very fresh feeling. For some people the frustration of failing the long levels will outweigh any other positive.

Can anyone explain the "basic income" idea? It's apparently a concept that all people should be given enough money to live just because they exist. It should free people to do whatever they want and apparently society as a whole is supposed to benefit greatly from that, because people who do what they want to do contribute to it more or something. Reddit is all over that stuff, but I don't really get it. Can someone explain?
super gg
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
August 12 2014 20:39 GMT
#122696
Are you trying to bait?

If so you should try harder.

On August 13 2014 05:27 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 05:25 Targe wrote:
i think the minimum wage is bullshit and only hurts the economy


There are like 20 thousand economist that disagree.


Well, you would most probably also find economist that are againt it
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
August 12 2014 20:40 GMT
#122697
On August 13 2014 04:52 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 03:50 Torte de Lini wrote:
On August 13 2014 03:46 Plansix wrote:
With the amount of yang Richard Lewis was talking about reddit recently, I'm not really that shocked. He really didn't like that they banned Chanman. Just surprised it took this long.


I would think they would shadowban him on legitimate grounds, not to fuel his bitter drive or to acknowledge his rantings.


how can he be shadowbanned if you can still visit his profile just fine?

http://www.reddit.com/user/ESH_Richard_Lewis


Compare to an actual shadowbanned user (slasher): http://www.reddit.com/user/slashered

His reddit profile wasn't working about 2 hours ago, so he must've just been unbanned.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
August 12 2014 20:42 GMT
#122698
On August 13 2014 05:39 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2014 05:31 Targe wrote:
tipping also seems stupid, i dont see the point in paying extra for something youve beenc harged for

Tipping is indeed exploitational and dumb and should be illegal in terms of employing people for sub-minimum wage because they "get tips"


Call me irrational, but I agree. Waiters should be paid more and remove the whole system of tipping. I fucking hate tipping and find it a vicious circle of pandering both on a societal level and for waiters having to succumb to because the whole industry underpays.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
August 12 2014 20:44 GMT
#122699
On August 13 2014 05:39 cecek wrote:
Can anyone explain the "basic income" idea? It's apparently a concept that all people should be given enough money to live just because they exist. It should free people to do whatever they want and apparently society as a whole is supposed to benefit greatly from that, because people who do what they want to do contribute to it more or something. Reddit is all over that stuff, but I don't really get it. Can someone explain?


Well, the idea is more that you remove all other Welfare payments. And just give everyone a set amount regardless of what the person has/makes.

It generally seen more as way to reduce the complexity of everything and not to give everyone the chance of doing what they want to do
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
August 12 2014 20:45 GMT
#122700
Only kind of tipping I do is tipping my fedora.

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