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On July 31 2014 03:55 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 03:53 Ru ba wrote:
how do you guys feel about stuff like the air force reserve sponsoring esport teams?
its sorta really smart to go there but kinda disgusting idk
whenever I saw that "the few,the proud,the marines" commerical run during nba games it kinda rubbed me the wrong way as well.just really weird to present it in such a way Basically you are offended by the US armed forces in general? I guess thats your prerogative.
i didn't say im offended by the US forces in general,I actually have no problem with the us army,but I kinda find commercials that glorfy the army and present it in a certain video game-esq light kinda off putting idk
I mean when i see commercials with charged words in the vein of " BE A PART OF A BROTHERHOOD","JOIN US AND GAIN HONOR",even if it not necesserally evil it just kinda feels wrong.
taking that sorta thing to a video game culture is just taking it to another level.
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On July 31 2014 04:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:21 dismiss wrote:I don't see ho wit's particularly funny.  Also none of these things are putting you into a warzone and killing people, you know. And the Ads they show are not forcing anyone to join. They make up their own mind when it comes to joining. We can't have violent games and argue they have no effect on people while claiming an ad for military service is manipulative and tricks people into joining.
If anything, I'd be more worried about TV ads leaking into Twitch streams. That shit's both stupid and inevitable.
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On July 31 2014 04:29 Ru ba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 03:55 Sn0_Man wrote:On July 31 2014 03:53 Ru ba wrote:
how do you guys feel about stuff like the air force reserve sponsoring esport teams?
its sorta really smart to go there but kinda disgusting idk
whenever I saw that "the few,the proud,the marines" commerical run during nba games it kinda rubbed me the wrong way as well.just really weird to present it in such a way Basically you are offended by the US armed forces in general? I guess thats your prerogative. i didn't say im offended by the US forces in general,I actually have no problem with the us army,but I kinda find commercials that glorfy the army and present it in a certain video game-esq light kinda off putting idk I mean when i see commercials with charged words in the vein of " BE A PART OF A BROTHERHOOD","JOIN US AND GAIN HONOR",even if its not necesserally evil its just kinda feels wrong.
I mean yeah, but whatever their goal is to get recruits. If someone doesn't have the sense to realize being in the army isn't like a videogame...they could have been convinced via other methods.
I'm really quite fine with it.
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On July 31 2014 04:29 Ru ba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 03:55 Sn0_Man wrote:On July 31 2014 03:53 Ru ba wrote:
how do you guys feel about stuff like the air force reserve sponsoring esport teams?
its sorta really smart to go there but kinda disgusting idk
whenever I saw that "the few,the proud,the marines" commerical run during nba games it kinda rubbed me the wrong way as well.just really weird to present it in such a way Basically you are offended by the US armed forces in general? I guess thats your prerogative. i didn't say im offended by the US forces in general,I actually have no problem with the us army,but I kinda find commercials that glorfy the army and present it in a certain video game-esq light kinda off putting idk I mean when i see something charged words in the vein of " BE A PART OF A BROTHERHOOD","JOIN US AND GAIN HONOR",even if its not necesserally evil its just kinda feels wrong.
if you're seriously getting worked up about this you might as well just complain about every other company selectively advertising lol
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no one is getting worked up,i just asked a question how you people feel about it...
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It is a totally legitimate to say that the ads are a strange juxtaposition to the light hearted games being shown on the stream. It isn’t unreasonable for you to see the ad as saying “Do you like this fake violence? How about some real violence?” and being uncomfortable about that association. But that doesn’t mean the ads are bad or that the arm services is bad. And it is more productive to discuss the weird juxtaposition, rather than saying “Yo, these ads are morally questionable” because they really aren’t.
On July 31 2014 04:40 Ru ba wrote:
no one is getting worked up,i just asked a question how you people feel about it...
I would say you might have worded your initial question a little poorly with the "disgusting" line. In life you are going to run into people who feel very strongly about military service, especially in the US, so you might want to use some different verbiage to express your reservations about the ads.
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It's a company looking for employees, advertising in a place where their advertising reaches almost exclusively their target market (young males).
How do you feel about microsoft advertising at career fairs at programming schools? Literally the only way you could possibly be "off-put" by that is if you hate microsoft lol.
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On July 31 2014 04:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
It's a company looking for employees, advertising in a place where their advertising reaches almost exclusively their target market (young males).
How do you feel about microsoft advertising at career fairs at programming schools? Literally the only way you could possibly be "off-put" by that is if you hate microsoft lol.
I think working at Microsoft is a bit different than being in the armed forces, you're potentially participating directly in war.
What I mean I don't think it's necessarily as bad for example.
I personally don't really mind it though, it's not that big of a deal to me.
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On July 31 2014 04:44 Nixer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
It's a company looking for employees, advertising in a place where their advertising reaches almost exclusively their target market (young males).
How do you feel about microsoft advertising at career fairs at programming schools? Literally the only way you could possibly be "off-put" by that is if you hate microsoft lol. I think working at Microsoft is a bit different than being in the armed forces, you're potentially participating directly in war. What I mean I don't think it's necessarily as bad for example.
So what ur saying is the air force reserve is bad because it participates in war.
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ok first off all working for microsoft and going to the army is like,not even comparable
second off all im not questioning that they are advertising it,im just questioning the way they do it if anything.
i have no problem with people going to the army,but if i see such aggresive marketing it rather poots me off than makes me join,which is my whole point.
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On July 31 2014 04:45 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:44 Nixer wrote:On July 31 2014 04:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
It's a company looking for employees, advertising in a place where their advertising reaches almost exclusively their target market (young males).
How do you feel about microsoft advertising at career fairs at programming schools? Literally the only way you could possibly be "off-put" by that is if you hate microsoft lol. I think working at Microsoft is a bit different than being in the armed forces, you're potentially participating directly in war. What I mean I don't think it's necessarily as bad for example. So what ur saying is the air force reserve is bad because it participates in war.
No I mean you're more likely to suffer because of it.
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I think a lot of people don't view the army as a company. And how the army works is vastly diferent from place to place.
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On July 31 2014 04:40 Ru ba wrote:
no one is getting worked up,i just asked a question how you people feel about it...
well you were obviously worked up enough to make a complaint about it so
anyhow, I think you're upset about the way they tried to take advantage of using cgi effects to better relate to the audience (kids that play video games), which is a form of targeted marketing that every competent corporation/organization will abuse.
if you claim that don't have any issue with the organization itself nor what it does, then why don't you have a problem with any other company advertising?
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On July 31 2014 04:46 Nixer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:45 Sn0_Man wrote:On July 31 2014 04:44 Nixer wrote:On July 31 2014 04:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
It's a company looking for employees, advertising in a place where their advertising reaches almost exclusively their target market (young males).
How do you feel about microsoft advertising at career fairs at programming schools? Literally the only way you could possibly be "off-put" by that is if you hate microsoft lol. I think working at Microsoft is a bit different than being in the armed forces, you're potentially participating directly in war. What I mean I don't think it's necessarily as bad for example. So what ur saying is the air force reserve is bad because it participates in war. No I mean you're more likely to suffer because of it.
People are pretty aware that you have to fight if you join the military. I think it is pretty clear when they take you to the firing range during basic what is going on.
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On July 31 2014 04:45 Ru ba wrote:
ok first off all working for microsoft and going to the army is like,not even comparable
And this is my whole point. You personally feel like going to the army isn't a normal, reasonable career. It is "not even comparable". You think, specifically, that it is bad.
PS @Nixer: The air force reserve is again like one of the least-likely places to suffer combat casualties. Its probably safer to be an air force reservist than to be a construction worker (which admittedly isn't microsoft but the point stands).
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On July 31 2014 04:45 Ru ba wrote:
i have no problem with people going to the army,but if i see such aggresive marketing it rather poots me off than makes me join,which is my whole point.
Well, that's you. I'm pretty sure they have enough experience in the field to realize there must be some people that will be attracted to their way of advertizing if they pushed through with it.
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On July 31 2014 04:47 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:46 Nixer wrote:On July 31 2014 04:45 Sn0_Man wrote:On July 31 2014 04:44 Nixer wrote:On July 31 2014 04:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
It's a company looking for employees, advertising in a place where their advertising reaches almost exclusively their target market (young males).
How do you feel about microsoft advertising at career fairs at programming schools? Literally the only way you could possibly be "off-put" by that is if you hate microsoft lol. I think working at Microsoft is a bit different than being in the armed forces, you're potentially participating directly in war. What I mean I don't think it's necessarily as bad for example. So what ur saying is the air force reserve is bad because it participates in war. No I mean you're more likely to suffer because of it. People are pretty aware that you have to fight if you join the military. I think it is pretty clear when they take you to the firing range during basic what is going on.
You'd be surprised of how many people don't realize the risk of trauma, PTSD which might after all affect you for the rest of your life.
But like I said, I personally am not against this kind of advertising or that it shouldn't be allowed at all. I might have a small gripe with it but nothing major.
On July 31 2014 04:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
And this is my whole point. You personally feel like going to the army isn't a normal, reasonable career. It is "not even comparable". You think, specifically, that it is bad.
PS @Nixer: The air force reserve is again like one of the least-likely places to suffer combat casualties. Its probably safer to be an air force reservist than to be a construction worker (which admittedly isn't microsoft but the point stands). That's of course true but I was talking about the recruitment in general. What I guess I'm trying to say is that I can understand if you have strong feelings about this kind of targeting.
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On July 31 2014 04:46 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:40 Ru ba wrote:
no one is getting worked up,i just asked a question how you people feel about it... well you were obviously worked up enough to make a complaint about it so anyhow, I think you're upset about the way they tried to take advantage of using cgi effects to better relate to the audience (kids that play video games), which is a form of targeted marketing that every competent corporation/organization will abuse. if you claim that don't have any issue with the organization itself nor what it does, then why don't you have a problem with any other company advertising?
i have no idea,its just a feeling that I get from watching those kinds of commercials and seeing stuff like air force reserve sponsoring c9
the reason im asking because I dont see this kind of stuff in my country and Im unfamiliar with how people percieve it
my intial reaction to it was misstrust,which was the opposite of what a commercial like that should evoke
thats why im asking
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if mountain dew and doritos just threw more money at video game moba sports we'd be fine make it happen
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On July 31 2014 04:14 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 04:07 dismiss wrote:On July 31 2014 04:04 Comeh wrote:On July 31 2014 04:00 Qbek wrote:
The problem is air force reserve having a marketing budget. I don't like that either ? You need to find recruits some way. (and you need a large pool when you are as selective as the airforce) Trivialising something like going to war by advertising on video game streams to lure in innocent 18 year olds seems to be quite morally questionable, no? Dude, we made a FREE VIDEO GAME to advertise our military. And it was a pretty good one too.
Americas army legit game
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