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On May 24 2012 21:53 rabidch wrote:
the real reason why 5-s doesnt want rosh to be nerfed is so he can keep using lycan to crush pubs...
lycan will never weak in pubs just because of a rosh nerf, you can stil farm at a ridiculous speed and he is still a pub crusher with a 15minute bkb/treads/vlads/meddallion
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CWM to mouz, 6 player roster for now.
Btw, I've been reading a lot of posts calling for twista to go, is he really that bad? I don't watch mouz that much but there is a lot of hate for him :O.
Source: http://www.mousesports.com/en/news/10533/
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On May 24 2012 14:10 Kupon3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 11:33 Nevuk wrote:On May 24 2012 04:22 Kentakky wrote:
The stats for winning depending on which side you get is 50% according to Gosugamers stat guy so it seems balanced enough not to change Roshan. He should be harder to kill though I agree with that... according to the stats website radiant actually has a slight advantage. these are pub stats but it does indicate that buffing rosh would be detrimental to balance at lower levels of play. granted dota isnt balanced around that level but if it is balanced at high levels there doesn't seem to be a need for this. quick, lets nerf that OP as fuck Ursa
haha. I wasn't saying to balance the game around it, just that of the overall games played rosh really doesn't seem to be giving dire a winning edge at any level of play. (It's like 51% vs 49% or something really close anyways). Which is weird because in hon competitive teams had something like 70% winrates as hellbourne (granted rosh wasn't directly ported for forever and had like 2 magic armor instead of his 95% resist).
I thought people mostly disliked twister's drafting. Or did I miss something?
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On May 24 2012 23:01 The Great Taste wrote:CWM to mouz, 6 player roster for now. Btw, I've been reading a lot of posts calling for twista to go, is he really that bad? I don't watch mouz that much but there is a lot of hate for him :O. Source: http://www.mousesports.com/en/news/10533/
He is not as bad as many people say, but he is the weakest player of the 6. I actually think, that he is a decent support player, but his drafts (which seems to be Blacks job now) were really lackluster recently.
I actually like the idea of a substitute player (if it works for the 6th man), because I dislike the idea of stand ins.
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na'vi vs clg scrim on dendi's stream
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Damn Dendi on that tinker ;p
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On May 24 2012 23:10 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 14:10 Kupon3ss wrote:On May 24 2012 11:33 Nevuk wrote:On May 24 2012 04:22 Kentakky wrote:
The stats for winning depending on which side you get is 50% according to Gosugamers stat guy so it seems balanced enough not to change Roshan. He should be harder to kill though I agree with that... according to the stats website radiant actually has a slight advantage. these are pub stats but it does indicate that buffing rosh would be detrimental to balance at lower levels of play. granted dota isnt balanced around that level but if it is balanced at high levels there doesn't seem to be a need for this. quick, lets nerf that OP as fuck Ursa haha. I wasn't saying to balance the game around it, just that of the overall games played rosh really doesn't seem to be giving dire a winning edge at any level of play. (It's like 51% vs 49% or something really close anyways). Which is weird because in hon competitive teams had something like 70% winrates as hellbourne (granted rosh wasn't directly ported for forever and had like 2 magic armor instead of his 95% resist). I thought people mostly disliked twister's drafting. Or did I miss something?
This thread was hijacked halfway through by a poster called paralleluniverse who kept insisting that ursa was overly OP.
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On May 25 2012 01:46 Oktyabr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 23:10 Nevuk wrote:On May 24 2012 14:10 Kupon3ss wrote:On May 24 2012 11:33 Nevuk wrote:On May 24 2012 04:22 Kentakky wrote:
The stats for winning depending on which side you get is 50% according to Gosugamers stat guy so it seems balanced enough not to change Roshan. He should be harder to kill though I agree with that... according to the stats website radiant actually has a slight advantage. these are pub stats but it does indicate that buffing rosh would be detrimental to balance at lower levels of play. granted dota isnt balanced around that level but if it is balanced at high levels there doesn't seem to be a need for this. quick, lets nerf that OP as fuck Ursa haha. I wasn't saying to balance the game around it, just that of the overall games played rosh really doesn't seem to be giving dire a winning edge at any level of play. (It's like 51% vs 49% or something really close anyways). Which is weird because in hon competitive teams had something like 70% winrates as hellbourne (granted rosh wasn't directly ported for forever and had like 2 magic armor instead of his 95% resist). I thought people mostly disliked twister's drafting. Or did I miss something? This thread was hijacked halfway through by a poster called paralleluniverse who kept insisting that ursa was overly OP.
With his main argument being some win% graph . WIN % IN DOTA
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On May 25 2012 01:46 Oktyabr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 23:10 Nevuk wrote:On May 24 2012 14:10 Kupon3ss wrote:On May 24 2012 11:33 Nevuk wrote:On May 24 2012 04:22 Kentakky wrote:
The stats for winning depending on which side you get is 50% according to Gosugamers stat guy so it seems balanced enough not to change Roshan. He should be harder to kill though I agree with that... according to the stats website radiant actually has a slight advantage. these are pub stats but it does indicate that buffing rosh would be detrimental to balance at lower levels of play. granted dota isnt balanced around that level but if it is balanced at high levels there doesn't seem to be a need for this. quick, lets nerf that OP as fuck Ursa haha. I wasn't saying to balance the game around it, just that of the overall games played rosh really doesn't seem to be giving dire a winning edge at any level of play. (It's like 51% vs 49% or something really close anyways). Which is weird because in hon competitive teams had something like 70% winrates as hellbourne (granted rosh wasn't directly ported for forever and had like 2 magic armor instead of his 95% resist). I thought people mostly disliked twister's drafting. Or did I miss something? This thread was hijacked halfway through by a poster called paralleluniverse who kept insisting that ursa was overly OP.
Good times tbh
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Wow i'm glad mouz picked up CWM, he fits them so good and he seems to just work perfectly with their playstyles!
I am really expecting mouz to become a top team 
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On May 24 2012 22:33 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 21:21 Kuzmorgo wrote:
About the position of Roshan, I always thought that dire having their bot lane towers closer is also a bit of a weaknes. In my opinion the dire bot lane is the easiest to push early, since there are only a few paths where the enemy can backstab you, so generally those towers go down first. But then, the radiant loosing their top lane towers doesn't really affect their map control that much, while if the dire loses theirs, then their roshing ability weakens (can't camp near ancients safely), and loose their control over the ancients. having towers close to roshan is ALWAYS a good thing, buy back into TP is a must if youre in a big roshan team battle, if scourge mid tower is up, or t2 or t1 bot is up, TP is quick and youre right back in, ESP with a hero like AM/weaver/WR/DS who all have quick moving spells (haste like abilities or blink). meanwhile sentinal has has mid t1 to TP to, and that isnt ideal, if that goes down, forget it, youll have to TP to bot t2 or bot t1, which is SO far away.
I do not disagree that dire has a clear advantage on roshan, all I meant to say, was that if Radiant pushes the dire bot towers, then Roshan becomes kind of neutral. Of course, its still not even if Radiant has to destroy 2 towers to be even...
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On May 25 2012 01:59 Skullflower wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 01:46 Oktyabr wrote:On May 24 2012 23:10 Nevuk wrote:On May 24 2012 14:10 Kupon3ss wrote:On May 24 2012 11:33 Nevuk wrote:On May 24 2012 04:22 Kentakky wrote:
The stats for winning depending on which side you get is 50% according to Gosugamers stat guy so it seems balanced enough not to change Roshan. He should be harder to kill though I agree with that... according to the stats website radiant actually has a slight advantage. these are pub stats but it does indicate that buffing rosh would be detrimental to balance at lower levels of play. granted dota isnt balanced around that level but if it is balanced at high levels there doesn't seem to be a need for this. quick, lets nerf that OP as fuck Ursa haha. I wasn't saying to balance the game around it, just that of the overall games played rosh really doesn't seem to be giving dire a winning edge at any level of play. (It's like 51% vs 49% or something really close anyways). Which is weird because in hon competitive teams had something like 70% winrates as hellbourne (granted rosh wasn't directly ported for forever and had like 2 magic armor instead of his 95% resist). I thought people mostly disliked twister's drafting. Or did I miss something? This thread was hijacked halfway through by a poster called paralleluniverse who kept insisting that ursa was overly OP. Good times tbh
lol I wake up one morning and check my subscribed threads, "150 new posts in general! wow what is going on?!?"
oh, someone said ursa was op and posted a graph.
then 20 pages of rage.
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singsing live in studio on 2GD channel, this is great.
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On May 25 2012 03:08 Kuzmorgo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 22:33 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 24 2012 21:21 Kuzmorgo wrote:
About the position of Roshan, I always thought that dire having their bot lane towers closer is also a bit of a weaknes. In my opinion the dire bot lane is the easiest to push early, since there are only a few paths where the enemy can backstab you, so generally those towers go down first. But then, the radiant loosing their top lane towers doesn't really affect their map control that much, while if the dire loses theirs, then their roshing ability weakens (can't camp near ancients safely), and loose their control over the ancients. having towers close to roshan is ALWAYS a good thing, buy back into TP is a must if youre in a big roshan team battle, if scourge mid tower is up, or t2 or t1 bot is up, TP is quick and youre right back in, ESP with a hero like AM/weaver/WR/DS who all have quick moving spells (haste like abilities or blink). meanwhile sentinal has has mid t1 to TP to, and that isnt ideal, if that goes down, forget it, youll have to TP to bot t2 or bot t1, which is SO far away. I do not disagree that dire has a clear advantage on roshan, all I meant to say, was that if Radiant pushes the dire bot towers, then Roshan becomes kind of neutral. Of course, its still not even if Radiant has to destroy 2 towers to be even...
Dire has mid T2 and Bot T2, both close to Roshan really, well and their T1s though but they should be down by then.
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On May 25 2012 04:07 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 03:08 Kuzmorgo wrote:On May 24 2012 22:33 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 24 2012 21:21 Kuzmorgo wrote:
About the position of Roshan, I always thought that dire having their bot lane towers closer is also a bit of a weaknes. In my opinion the dire bot lane is the easiest to push early, since there are only a few paths where the enemy can backstab you, so generally those towers go down first. But then, the radiant loosing their top lane towers doesn't really affect their map control that much, while if the dire loses theirs, then their roshing ability weakens (can't camp near ancients safely), and loose their control over the ancients. having towers close to roshan is ALWAYS a good thing, buy back into TP is a must if youre in a big roshan team battle, if scourge mid tower is up, or t2 or t1 bot is up, TP is quick and youre right back in, ESP with a hero like AM/weaver/WR/DS who all have quick moving spells (haste like abilities or blink). meanwhile sentinal has has mid t1 to TP to, and that isnt ideal, if that goes down, forget it, youll have to TP to bot t2 or bot t1, which is SO far away. I do not disagree that dire has a clear advantage on roshan, all I meant to say, was that if Radiant pushes the dire bot towers, then Roshan becomes kind of neutral. Of course, its still not even if Radiant has to destroy 2 towers to be even... Dire has mid T2 and Bot T2, both close to Roshan really, well and their T1s though but they should be down by then.
Wait I thought the dire advantage was agreed upon, isn't that why one team chooses who gets first pick and the other team gets the dire? you basically balance out the dire advantage with picking advantage in -cm format.
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On May 25 2012 04:17 kdgns wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 04:07 Kipsate wrote:On May 25 2012 03:08 Kuzmorgo wrote:On May 24 2012 22:33 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 24 2012 21:21 Kuzmorgo wrote:
About the position of Roshan, I always thought that dire having their bot lane towers closer is also a bit of a weaknes. In my opinion the dire bot lane is the easiest to push early, since there are only a few paths where the enemy can backstab you, so generally those towers go down first. But then, the radiant loosing their top lane towers doesn't really affect their map control that much, while if the dire loses theirs, then their roshing ability weakens (can't camp near ancients safely), and loose their control over the ancients. having towers close to roshan is ALWAYS a good thing, buy back into TP is a must if youre in a big roshan team battle, if scourge mid tower is up, or t2 or t1 bot is up, TP is quick and youre right back in, ESP with a hero like AM/weaver/WR/DS who all have quick moving spells (haste like abilities or blink). meanwhile sentinal has has mid t1 to TP to, and that isnt ideal, if that goes down, forget it, youll have to TP to bot t2 or bot t1, which is SO far away. I do not disagree that dire has a clear advantage on roshan, all I meant to say, was that if Radiant pushes the dire bot towers, then Roshan becomes kind of neutral. Of course, its still not even if Radiant has to destroy 2 towers to be even... Dire has mid T2 and Bot T2, both close to Roshan really, well and their T1s though but they should be down by then. Wait I thought the dire advantage was agreed upon, isn't that why one team chooses who gets first pick and the other team gets the dire? you basically balance out the dire advantage with picking advantage in -cm format.
That's how it usually works in China, few tournaments do this in the west.
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i thought it was one team first pick the other gets the side he wants oO
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On May 25 2012 03:17 PassiveAce wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 01:59 Skullflower wrote:On May 25 2012 01:46 Oktyabr wrote:On May 24 2012 23:10 Nevuk wrote:On May 24 2012 14:10 Kupon3ss wrote:On May 24 2012 11:33 Nevuk wrote:On May 24 2012 04:22 Kentakky wrote:
The stats for winning depending on which side you get is 50% according to Gosugamers stat guy so it seems balanced enough not to change Roshan. He should be harder to kill though I agree with that... according to the stats website radiant actually has a slight advantage. these are pub stats but it does indicate that buffing rosh would be detrimental to balance at lower levels of play. granted dota isnt balanced around that level but if it is balanced at high levels there doesn't seem to be a need for this. quick, lets nerf that OP as fuck Ursa haha. I wasn't saying to balance the game around it, just that of the overall games played rosh really doesn't seem to be giving dire a winning edge at any level of play. (It's like 51% vs 49% or something really close anyways). Which is weird because in hon competitive teams had something like 70% winrates as hellbourne (granted rosh wasn't directly ported for forever and had like 2 magic armor instead of his 95% resist). I thought people mostly disliked twister's drafting. Or did I miss something? This thread was hijacked halfway through by a poster called paralleluniverse who kept insisting that ursa was overly OP. Good times tbh lol I wake up one morning and check my subscribed threads, "150 new posts in general! wow what is going on?!?" oh, someone said ursa was op and posted a graph. then 20 pages of rage. -__________________-
I'm willing to accept small bits of trolling / idiocy for the overall high quality of this thread and the dota2 forum (particularly compared to some of the other forums that have...deteriorated a bit over time. Oh, and compared to other dota 2 forums.)
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First pick isn't always an advantage.
If your opponent outdraft you he can force you to give him 2 heroes he wants while you might only get 1.
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On May 25 2012 05:48 Unleashing wrote:
First pick isn't always an advantage.
If your opponent outdraft you he can force you to give him 2 heroes he wants while you might only get 1.
That's why u choose either a side or first pick, depending on which one you prefer, if you win the coin flip.
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