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cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
May 23 2012 18:43 GMT
#11581


I think
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
May 23 2012 18:43 GMT
#11582
http://www.dota2.com/tournaments/international2011/game/104

But actually that wasn't broadcasted
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
May 23 2012 19:11 GMT
#11583
Heh people think that because the "TEAMS" word is blured on dota2.com means we get mortred XD Maniacs
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Kentakky
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1272 Posts
May 23 2012 19:22 GMT
#11584
The stats for winning depending on which side you get is 50% according to Gosugamers stat guy so it seems balanced enough not to change Roshan. He should be harder to kill though I agree with that...
My immune system is so strong that I have to get AIDS just to be normal.
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
May 23 2012 19:25 GMT
#11585
Or how about giving him a skill similar to Kraken Shell? Also he should have WAY more armor
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 23 2012 20:16 GMT
#11586
On May 24 2012 04:11 Qbek wrote:
Heh people think that because the "TEAMS" word is blured on dota2.com means we get mortred XD Maniacs

I don't see it O.o :|
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 20:19:59
May 23 2012 20:19 GMT
#11587
On May 24 2012 05:16 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 04:11 Qbek wrote:
Heh people think that because the "TEAMS" word is blured on dota2.com means we get mortred XD Maniacs

I don't see it O.o :|

Got fixed recently

EDIT: I missed a great opportunity to say "turn your shadows on" :C
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Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
May 23 2012 23:20 GMT
#11588
ogre magi is in da houseeeeeeeeeeeeeee
!!!!!!!!
SQWKZ
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland720 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 00:21:30
May 24 2012 00:17 GMT
#11589
The new dashboard and hero picker are just... not practical, or even that pretty. Aesthetics hampering usability? hokayyyyyyyyy~
So zen.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
May 24 2012 02:33 GMT
#11590
On May 24 2012 04:22 Kentakky wrote:
The stats for winning depending on which side you get is 50% according to Gosugamers stat guy so it seems balanced enough not to change Roshan. He should be harder to kill though I agree with that...

according to the stats website radiant actually has a slight advantage. these are pub stats but it does indicate that buffing rosh would be detrimental to balance at lower levels of play. granted dota isnt balanced around that level but if it is balanced at high levels there doesn't seem to be a need for this.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 02:38:10
May 24 2012 02:35 GMT
#11591
On May 24 2012 11:33 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 04:22 Kentakky wrote:
The stats for winning depending on which side you get is 50% according to Gosugamers stat guy so it seems balanced enough not to change Roshan. He should be harder to kill though I agree with that...

according to the stats website radiant actually has a slight advantage. these are pub stats but it does indicate that buffing rosh would be detrimental to balance at lower levels of play. granted dota isnt balanced around that level but if it is balanced at high levels there doesn't seem to be a need for this.


You can't make that conclusion. How do you even know that roshan has any effect on low level play. I'm quite sure low level players don't use medallion specifically for roshan killing power let or ward it. In fact from what I've seen from my brothers game(low level stuff) Ursa players don't even solo roshan at that level.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
May 24 2012 05:10 GMT
#11592
On May 24 2012 11:33 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 04:22 Kentakky wrote:
The stats for winning depending on which side you get is 50% according to Gosugamers stat guy so it seems balanced enough not to change Roshan. He should be harder to kill though I agree with that...

according to the stats website radiant actually has a slight advantage. these are pub stats but it does indicate that buffing rosh would be detrimental to balance at lower levels of play. granted dota isnt balanced around that level but if it is balanced at high levels there doesn't seem to be a need for this.


quick, lets nerf that OP as fuck Ursa
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
ControlMonkey
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia3109 Posts
May 24 2012 06:06 GMT
#11593
On May 24 2012 14:10 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2012 11:33 Nevuk wrote:
On May 24 2012 04:22 Kentakky wrote:
The stats for winning depending on which side you get is 50% according to Gosugamers stat guy so it seems balanced enough not to change Roshan. He should be harder to kill though I agree with that...

according to the stats website radiant actually has a slight advantage. these are pub stats but it does indicate that buffing rosh would be detrimental to balance at lower levels of play. granted dota isnt balanced around that level but if it is balanced at high levels there doesn't seem to be a need for this.


quick, lets nerf that OP as fuck Ursa


Omg no!

10 pages later...
eqez
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden837 Posts
May 24 2012 09:25 GMT
#11594


Game Ogre

It aint Ogre til the fat lady sings

Ogreally
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
May 24 2012 09:31 GMT
#11595
ha, artstyle

When he gets boycotted, he hits back hard
ffxiv enjoyer
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
May 24 2012 11:48 GMT
#11596
Is there something new from artstyle?
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Kuzmorgo
Profile Joined May 2009
Hungary1058 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 12:23:19
May 24 2012 12:21 GMT
#11597
About the position of Roshan, I always thought that dire having their bot lane towers closer is also a bit of a weaknes. In my opinion the dire bot lane is the easiest to push early, since there are only a few paths where the enemy can backstab you, so generally those towers go down first. But then, the radiant loosing their top lane towers doesn't really affect their map control that much, while if the dire loses theirs, then their roshing ability weakens (can't camp near ancients safely), and loose their control over the ancients.
"No, whine not! Play, or play not! There is no whine."
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
May 24 2012 12:40 GMT
#11598
Just wanted to quote 5-s's post on the Roshan imba topic.

Without aegis and roshan games would inevitably grow longer, which is the last thing we want for an e-sport. Teams would farm up more items before pushing, whereas grabbing an aegis makes them more confident to make an offensive. Also, injecting more gold into the game always makes it faster. NS makes the point that imba heroes from old ages of dota have been nerfed, but doesn't really address the fact that roshan and aegis were nerfed as well to be far less game-impacting than before. It used to be that a roshan kill was near auto-win for a team (4k gold for the team). The fact is, sentinel vs scourge is fairly even in competitive, scourge has the roshan advantage, but sentinel has a better time pushing scourge's weak lane.

If you buff roshan, people will pick heroes specifically geared to kill roshan, making it even more game-impacting. If you take out aegis, it decreases incentive to push.

And it's interesting he plans on addressing "the buyback problem." People have tried to play without buybacks - there was a tournament in dota 1 where buybacks were disallowed, and the results were horrendous. One person getting caught out of positioning = lose rax. It nearly became a game of luck near the end game, as one fight decides everything.

Yes, buybacks and roshan are peculiar features of dota, but they've been tweaked and nerf a lot in the past couple of years, and changing them again will have profound ramifications, mostly in making the game longer or more luck based.


I agree that aegis is needed to stop stalemate turtle games. I'm undecided as to whether Roshan needs to be made stronger (if he's too hard to kill, then no teams will ever kill him because then they would lose a teamfight if the other team Roshan-jacked them). I do however think that the map layout for Roshan should be reworked a bit to make it more fair for the Sentinel side. Those are my 2 cents.

By the way, can anyone elaborate as to why "sentinel has a better time pushing scourge's weak lane"?
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 24 2012 12:53 GMT
#11599
the real reason why 5-s doesnt want rosh to be nerfed is so he can keep using lycan to crush pubs...
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
May 24 2012 13:33 GMT
#11600
On May 24 2012 21:21 Kuzmorgo wrote:
About the position of Roshan, I always thought that dire having their bot lane towers closer is also a bit of a weaknes. In my opinion the dire bot lane is the easiest to push early, since there are only a few paths where the enemy can backstab you, so generally those towers go down first. But then, the radiant loosing their top lane towers doesn't really affect their map control that much, while if the dire loses theirs, then their roshing ability weakens (can't camp near ancients safely), and loose their control over the ancients.

having towers close to roshan is ALWAYS a good thing, buy back into TP is a must if youre in a big roshan team battle, if scourge mid tower is up, or t2 or t1 bot is up, TP is quick and youre right back in, ESP with a hero like AM/weaver/WR/DS who all have quick moving spells (haste like abilities or blink). meanwhile sentinal has has mid t1 to TP to, and that isnt ideal, if that goes down, forget it, youll have to TP to bot t2 or bot t1, which is SO far away.
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