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On June 23 2014 00:43 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 00:37 Targe wrote:On June 22 2014 23:56 teddyoojo wrote:On June 22 2014 23:40 Targe wrote:On June 22 2014 23:08 teapoted wrote:
You can't say that there are too many if you don't know what that leads to. It has to be far too many for something.
Far too many for you to follow. Okay. Is that a problem? There's far too many of most sports matches for most fans of those sports to follow as well.
The only reason people make these arguments is because they used to be able to watch everything. That doesn't mean they're supposed to, if the demand is there, it's not a problem. i didnt say it was a problem, i just said there were too many saying theres too many implies theres a problem else ud say theres many i dont mean it like its a bad thing, theres just a lot of shit thats goin on, i think its too much to care about Exactly, dota2 scene is not bad but i never get a hypetrain like in gsl, where i really really wanted someone to win, to see the develeopment of the gsl and dont miss any matches at all. GSL organisation is really good at that hypetrain and productionvalue.
GSL is also the only individual league worth watching according to pretty much everyone. It's literally better than WCS and Blizzard knows this. That's why they don't bother to have the combined seasons anymore. They were a joke.
This can't happen in Dota 2 because the best teams in the world are spread throughout the world. That's why we have TI. That's why we have other big LANs. It's the whole point to having a large number of competitions.
Could they be less on top of each other? Of course. But saying there is too many because you've managed to idealize some BS about GSL and how 'great' it is means you're just missing out on what the entire scene has to offer.
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On June 23 2014 01:38 makmeatt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 01:28 Slomo wrote:
Guys, how do you play Meepo in pubs without getting hard countered every game? Or maybe you aren't getting hard countered?
Dunno, Shaker+Riki+Kunkka seems like a strong combo against Meepo.
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On June 23 2014 01:51 LeLoup wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 00:43 govie wrote:On June 23 2014 00:37 Targe wrote:On June 22 2014 23:56 teddyoojo wrote:On June 22 2014 23:40 Targe wrote:On June 22 2014 23:08 teapoted wrote:
You can't say that there are too many if you don't know what that leads to. It has to be far too many for something.
Far too many for you to follow. Okay. Is that a problem? There's far too many of most sports matches for most fans of those sports to follow as well.
The only reason people make these arguments is because they used to be able to watch everything. That doesn't mean they're supposed to, if the demand is there, it's not a problem. i didnt say it was a problem, i just said there were too many saying theres too many implies theres a problem else ud say theres many i dont mean it like its a bad thing, theres just a lot of shit thats goin on, i think its too much to care about Exactly, dota2 scene is not bad but i never get a hypetrain like in gsl, where i really really wanted someone to win, to see the develeopment of the gsl and dont miss any matches at all. GSL organisation is really good at that hypetrain and productionvalue. GSL is also the only individual league worth watching according to pretty much everyone. It's literally better than WCS and Blizzard knows this. That's why they don't bother to have the combined seasons anymore. They were a joke. This can't happen in Dota 2 because the best teams in the world are spread throughout the world. That's why we have TI. That's why we have other big LANs. It's the whole point to having a large number of competitions. Could they be less on top of each other? Of course. But saying there is too many because you've managed to idealize some BS about GSL and how 'great' it is means you're just missing out on what the entire scene has to offer.
I really liked and still like esl WCS EU too, they added alot of twists/value to the production. WCS-NA scene was so underdeveloped when WCS-NA piloted its logical a hatetrain comes from that region. Nowadays canada is a talented sc2 country and i believe esl is now also producing wcs-na which should contribute. TLDR: i dont agree with your generalisation that life sux .
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Don't think Shaker, Kunkka or Riki is specifically countering Meepo. They are just annoying heroes in general. Just have to play better.
"Riki kills me in a cloud" Well he does that with every hero out of position.
"Kunkka kills me in a X Boat torrent combo" Well he does that with every hero he catch.
Is what I mean with not being meepo counters.
Shaker usually doesn't reach lvl 16 before the game is already over. And he gets lvl 11 ult too late for it to wreck meepo hard enough if you have farmed well.
The really annoying heroes to face is like Nyx + something really long range. Like Storm / Furion / AA ult etc.
TC's aura melts meepo so hard. And then Ember is a pretty annoying hero to face as well. Those are more of a counter than the ones you mentioned.
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ppl always try and counterpick meepo
ive had people repick just to try and counterpick
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Nothing counters newport; icefrog removed the last of his weaknesses last patch
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I don't know why I'm in the same general skill bracket as a guy who buys Tranqs and Soul Ring on a position 1 Sven that he lastpicked and forced us to totally fuck up our lanes for.
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On June 23 2014 02:09 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Don't think Shaker, Kunkka or Riki is specifically countering Meepo. They are just annoying heroes in general. Just have to play better.
"Riki kills me in a cloud" Well he does that with every hero out of position.
"Kunkka kills me in a X Boat torrent combo" Well he does that with every hero he catch.
Is what I mean with not being meepo counters.
Shaker usually doesn't reach lvl 16 before the game is already over. And he gets lvl 11 ult too late for it to wreck meepo hard enough if you have farmed well.
The really annoying heroes to face is like Nyx + something really long range. Like Storm / Furion / AA ult etc.
TC's aura melts meepo so hard. And then Ember is a pretty annoying hero to face as well. Those are more of a counter than the ones you mentioned.
some of the more annoying heroes for meepo:
abaddon, disruptor, nyx, doom, wraith king, bane, tinker, ember, aa
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Does anybody know how to fix the player perspective camera angle? For some reason it's zoomed in at ground level permanently and I can't change it back to the original view.
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Are you sure you aren't in that cinematic mode thingie?
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On June 23 2014 02:08 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 01:51 LeLoup wrote:On June 23 2014 00:43 govie wrote:On June 23 2014 00:37 Targe wrote:On June 22 2014 23:56 teddyoojo wrote:On June 22 2014 23:40 Targe wrote:On June 22 2014 23:08 teapoted wrote:
You can't say that there are too many if you don't know what that leads to. It has to be far too many for something.
Far too many for you to follow. Okay. Is that a problem? There's far too many of most sports matches for most fans of those sports to follow as well.
The only reason people make these arguments is because they used to be able to watch everything. That doesn't mean they're supposed to, if the demand is there, it's not a problem. i didnt say it was a problem, i just said there were too many saying theres too many implies theres a problem else ud say theres many i dont mean it like its a bad thing, theres just a lot of shit thats goin on, i think its too much to care about Exactly, dota2 scene is not bad but i never get a hypetrain like in gsl, where i really really wanted someone to win, to see the develeopment of the gsl and dont miss any matches at all. GSL organisation is really good at that hypetrain and productionvalue. GSL is also the only individual league worth watching according to pretty much everyone. It's literally better than WCS and Blizzard knows this. That's why they don't bother to have the combined seasons anymore. They were a joke. This can't happen in Dota 2 because the best teams in the world are spread throughout the world. That's why we have TI. That's why we have other big LANs. It's the whole point to having a large number of competitions. Could they be less on top of each other? Of course. But saying there is too many because you've managed to idealize some BS about GSL and how 'great' it is means you're just missing out on what the entire scene has to offer. I really liked and still like esl WCS EU too, they added alot of twists/value to the production. WCS-NA scene was so underdeveloped when WCS-NA piloted its logical a hatetrain comes from that region. Nowadays canada is a talented sc2 country and i believe esl is now also producing wcs-na which should contribute. TLDR: i dont agree with your generalisation that life sux .
WCS EU has 2 non Koreans in the top 8. WCS AM has 3 in the top 16 and of those 3 none of them are from USA or Canada (2 Chinese and 1 Mexican). There is 1 good scene in the world for SC2 and it's Korea. The storyline that they have to keep falling back on is 'can anyone beat the Koreans?'
Be serious now. Outside of that storyline of 'Can Major continue in WCS AM' and Can Vortix/Welmu win for Europe' what are their stories? Stories about old Koreans trying to hold on to fame in weaker competitions? Stories about up and coming Koreans on foreign teams trying to make a name for themselves? How exactly are these better than the ones that we get in Dota 2, because honestly I don't see it.
You have no argument. You've made a load of BS statements in general about a percieved 'problem' and you have nothing to go off of. You've switched from storylines to production as to reasons why you think there is oversaturation when neither of those things have anything to do with the number of matches that are played. You have yet to say any kind of a solution and I honestly doubt that you can seriously believe that less matches is a good thing for anyone (players, spectators, organizations) at all.
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On June 23 2014 02:29 Acritter wrote:
Are you sure you aren't in that cinematic mode thingie?
ye really positive. camera automatically adjusts downwards once i hit player perspective, and hitting the human shaped button in the portrait doesn't change anything.
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On June 23 2014 02:33 Oktyabr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 02:29 Acritter wrote:
Are you sure you aren't in that cinematic mode thingie? ye really positive. camera automatically adjusts downwards once i hit player perspective, and hitting the human shaped button in the portrait doesn't change anything.
Try dota_camera_disable_zoom 1 ?
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On June 23 2014 02:24 Targe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 02:09 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Don't think Shaker, Kunkka or Riki is specifically countering Meepo. They are just annoying heroes in general. Just have to play better.
"Riki kills me in a cloud" Well he does that with every hero out of position.
"Kunkka kills me in a X Boat torrent combo" Well he does that with every hero he catch.
Is what I mean with not being meepo counters.
Shaker usually doesn't reach lvl 16 before the game is already over. And he gets lvl 11 ult too late for it to wreck meepo hard enough if you have farmed well.
The really annoying heroes to face is like Nyx + something really long range. Like Storm / Furion / AA ult etc.
TC's aura melts meepo so hard. And then Ember is a pretty annoying hero to face as well. Those are more of a counter than the ones you mentioned. some of the more annoying heroes for meepo: abaddon, disruptor, nyx, doom, wraith king, bane, tinker, ember, aa
I cry tears of happiness when facing an abaddon as meepo. Don't see how you think he's a counter at all. Supports without stuns like him and Kotl are the dream.
Bane and WK are also pretty doable.
Doom is a counter to every hero in the game, not just Meepo. And getting Doomed is annoying but you can protect the Doomed meepo with your others.
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On June 23 2014 02:50 ReignSupreme. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 02:33 Oktyabr wrote:On June 23 2014 02:29 Acritter wrote:
Are you sure you aren't in that cinematic mode thingie? ye really positive. camera automatically adjusts downwards once i hit player perspective, and hitting the human shaped button in the portrait doesn't change anything. Try dota_camera_disable_zoom 1 ?
That actually worked, thanks!
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On June 23 2014 02:51 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 02:24 Targe wrote:On June 23 2014 02:09 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Don't think Shaker, Kunkka or Riki is specifically countering Meepo. They are just annoying heroes in general. Just have to play better.
"Riki kills me in a cloud" Well he does that with every hero out of position.
"Kunkka kills me in a X Boat torrent combo" Well he does that with every hero he catch.
Is what I mean with not being meepo counters.
Shaker usually doesn't reach lvl 16 before the game is already over. And he gets lvl 11 ult too late for it to wreck meepo hard enough if you have farmed well.
The really annoying heroes to face is like Nyx + something really long range. Like Storm / Furion / AA ult etc.
TC's aura melts meepo so hard. And then Ember is a pretty annoying hero to face as well. Those are more of a counter than the ones you mentioned. some of the more annoying heroes for meepo: abaddon, disruptor, nyx, doom, wraith king, bane, tinker, ember, aa I cry tears of happiness when facing an abaddon as meepo. Don't see how you think he's a counter at all. Supports without stuns like him and Kotl are the dream. Bane and WK are also pretty doable. Doom is a counter to every hero in the game, not just Meepo. And getting Doomed is annoying but you can protect the Doomed meepo with your others.
i made sure not to say counter :p
just the annoying heroes
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On June 23 2014 02:30 LeLoup wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 02:08 govie wrote:On June 23 2014 01:51 LeLoup wrote:On June 23 2014 00:43 govie wrote:On June 23 2014 00:37 Targe wrote:On June 22 2014 23:56 teddyoojo wrote:On June 22 2014 23:40 Targe wrote:On June 22 2014 23:08 teapoted wrote:
You can't say that there are too many if you don't know what that leads to. It has to be far too many for something.
Far too many for you to follow. Okay. Is that a problem? There's far too many of most sports matches for most fans of those sports to follow as well.
The only reason people make these arguments is because they used to be able to watch everything. That doesn't mean they're supposed to, if the demand is there, it's not a problem. i didnt say it was a problem, i just said there were too many saying theres too many implies theres a problem else ud say theres many i dont mean it like its a bad thing, theres just a lot of shit thats goin on, i think its too much to care about Exactly, dota2 scene is not bad but i never get a hypetrain like in gsl, where i really really wanted someone to win, to see the develeopment of the gsl and dont miss any matches at all. GSL organisation is really good at that hypetrain and productionvalue. GSL is also the only individual league worth watching according to pretty much everyone. It's literally better than WCS and Blizzard knows this. That's why they don't bother to have the combined seasons anymore. They were a joke. This can't happen in Dota 2 because the best teams in the world are spread throughout the world. That's why we have TI. That's why we have other big LANs. It's the whole point to having a large number of competitions. Could they be less on top of each other? Of course. But saying there is too many because you've managed to idealize some BS about GSL and how 'great' it is means you're just missing out on what the entire scene has to offer. I really liked and still like esl WCS EU too, they added alot of twists/value to the production. WCS-NA scene was so underdeveloped when WCS-NA piloted its logical a hatetrain comes from that region. Nowadays canada is a talented sc2 country and i believe esl is now also producing wcs-na which should contribute. TLDR: i dont agree with your generalisation that life sux . WCS EU has 2 non Koreans in the top 8. WCS AM has 3 in the top 16 and of those 3 none of them are from USA or Canada (2 Chinese and 1 Mexican). There is 1 good scene in the world for SC2 and it's Korea. The storyline that they have to keep falling back on is 'can anyone beat the Koreans?' Be serious now. Outside of that storyline of 'Can Major continue in WCS AM' and Can Vortix/Welmu win for Europe' what are their stories? Stories about old Koreans trying to hold on to fame in weaker competitions? Stories about up and coming Koreans on foreign teams trying to make a name for themselves? How exactly are these better than the ones that we get in Dota 2, because honestly I don't see it. You have no argument. You've made a load of BS statements in general about a percieved 'problem' and you have nothing to go off of. You've switched from storylines to production as to reasons why you think there is oversaturation when neither of those things have anything to do with the number of matches that are played. You have yet to say any kind of a solution and I honestly doubt that you can seriously believe that less matches is a good thing for anyone (players, spectators, organizations) at all.
You are entitled to your opinion as i am to mine
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I allways assumed that no poof (silence) no good snowballing meepo, is that a wrong assumption?
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On June 23 2014 03:27 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 02:30 LeLoup wrote:On June 23 2014 02:08 govie wrote:On June 23 2014 01:51 LeLoup wrote:On June 23 2014 00:43 govie wrote:On June 23 2014 00:37 Targe wrote:On June 22 2014 23:56 teddyoojo wrote:On June 22 2014 23:40 Targe wrote:On June 22 2014 23:08 teapoted wrote:
You can't say that there are too many if you don't know what that leads to. It has to be far too many for something.
Far too many for you to follow. Okay. Is that a problem? There's far too many of most sports matches for most fans of those sports to follow as well.
The only reason people make these arguments is because they used to be able to watch everything. That doesn't mean they're supposed to, if the demand is there, it's not a problem. i didnt say it was a problem, i just said there were too many saying theres too many implies theres a problem else ud say theres many i dont mean it like its a bad thing, theres just a lot of shit thats goin on, i think its too much to care about Exactly, dota2 scene is not bad but i never get a hypetrain like in gsl, where i really really wanted someone to win, to see the develeopment of the gsl and dont miss any matches at all. GSL organisation is really good at that hypetrain and productionvalue. GSL is also the only individual league worth watching according to pretty much everyone. It's literally better than WCS and Blizzard knows this. That's why they don't bother to have the combined seasons anymore. They were a joke. This can't happen in Dota 2 because the best teams in the world are spread throughout the world. That's why we have TI. That's why we have other big LANs. It's the whole point to having a large number of competitions. Could they be less on top of each other? Of course. But saying there is too many because you've managed to idealize some BS about GSL and how 'great' it is means you're just missing out on what the entire scene has to offer. I really liked and still like esl WCS EU too, they added alot of twists/value to the production. WCS-NA scene was so underdeveloped when WCS-NA piloted its logical a hatetrain comes from that region. Nowadays canada is a talented sc2 country and i believe esl is now also producing wcs-na which should contribute. TLDR: i dont agree with your generalisation that life sux . WCS EU has 2 non Koreans in the top 8. WCS AM has 3 in the top 16 and of those 3 none of them are from USA or Canada (2 Chinese and 1 Mexican). There is 1 good scene in the world for SC2 and it's Korea. The storyline that they have to keep falling back on is 'can anyone beat the Koreans?' Be serious now. Outside of that storyline of 'Can Major continue in WCS AM' and Can Vortix/Welmu win for Europe' what are their stories? Stories about old Koreans trying to hold on to fame in weaker competitions? Stories about up and coming Koreans on foreign teams trying to make a name for themselves? How exactly are these better than the ones that we get in Dota 2, because honestly I don't see it. You have no argument. You've made a load of BS statements in general about a percieved 'problem' and you have nothing to go off of. You've switched from storylines to production as to reasons why you think there is oversaturation when neither of those things have anything to do with the number of matches that are played. You have yet to say any kind of a solution and I honestly doubt that you can seriously believe that less matches is a good thing for anyone (players, spectators, organizations) at all. You are entitled to your opinion as i am to mine
What's important about this discussion is that you can expand all the quotes and then drag your mouse back and forth over the blue bars like a manually operated equalizer / music bar.
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On June 23 2014 03:34 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 03:27 govie wrote:On June 23 2014 02:30 LeLoup wrote:On June 23 2014 02:08 govie wrote:On June 23 2014 01:51 LeLoup wrote:On June 23 2014 00:43 govie wrote:On June 23 2014 00:37 Targe wrote:On June 22 2014 23:56 teddyoojo wrote:On June 22 2014 23:40 Targe wrote:On June 22 2014 23:08 teapoted wrote:
You can't say that there are too many if you don't know what that leads to. It has to be far too many for something.
Far too many for you to follow. Okay. Is that a problem? There's far too many of most sports matches for most fans of those sports to follow as well.
The only reason people make these arguments is because they used to be able to watch everything. That doesn't mean they're supposed to, if the demand is there, it's not a problem. i didnt say it was a problem, i just said there were too many saying theres too many implies theres a problem else ud say theres many i dont mean it like its a bad thing, theres just a lot of shit thats goin on, i think its too much to care about Exactly, dota2 scene is not bad but i never get a hypetrain like in gsl, where i really really wanted someone to win, to see the develeopment of the gsl and dont miss any matches at all. GSL organisation is really good at that hypetrain and productionvalue. GSL is also the only individual league worth watching according to pretty much everyone. It's literally better than WCS and Blizzard knows this. That's why they don't bother to have the combined seasons anymore. They were a joke. This can't happen in Dota 2 because the best teams in the world are spread throughout the world. That's why we have TI. That's why we have other big LANs. It's the whole point to having a large number of competitions. Could they be less on top of each other? Of course. But saying there is too many because you've managed to idealize some BS about GSL and how 'great' it is means you're just missing out on what the entire scene has to offer. I really liked and still like esl WCS EU too, they added alot of twists/value to the production. WCS-NA scene was so underdeveloped when WCS-NA piloted its logical a hatetrain comes from that region. Nowadays canada is a talented sc2 country and i believe esl is now also producing wcs-na which should contribute. TLDR: i dont agree with your generalisation that life sux . WCS EU has 2 non Koreans in the top 8. WCS AM has 3 in the top 16 and of those 3 none of them are from USA or Canada (2 Chinese and 1 Mexican). There is 1 good scene in the world for SC2 and it's Korea. The storyline that they have to keep falling back on is 'can anyone beat the Koreans?' Be serious now. Outside of that storyline of 'Can Major continue in WCS AM' and Can Vortix/Welmu win for Europe' what are their stories? Stories about old Koreans trying to hold on to fame in weaker competitions? Stories about up and coming Koreans on foreign teams trying to make a name for themselves? How exactly are these better than the ones that we get in Dota 2, because honestly I don't see it. You have no argument. You've made a load of BS statements in general about a percieved 'problem' and you have nothing to go off of. You've switched from storylines to production as to reasons why you think there is oversaturation when neither of those things have anything to do with the number of matches that are played. You have yet to say any kind of a solution and I honestly doubt that you can seriously believe that less matches is a good thing for anyone (players, spectators, organizations) at all. You are entitled to your opinion as i am to mine What's important about this discussion is that you can expand all the quotes and then drag your mouse back and forth over the blue bars like a manually operated equalizer / music bar.
Oohh thats amazing
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