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United States47024 Posts
On May 22 2012 07:32 Zlasher wrote:
So Flamewheel master of all that is chinese dota. List and rank all the current chinese Dota teams pls. I thought DK was clearly #1, but LGD and CLC or whatever are generally considered ahead of iG or EHOME. And what ever happened to Panda, WE, and the rest?
My (super biased) Chinese DotA team power rank (based on DotA 1 performance, not DotA 2).
1) DK
2) LGD
3) iG
4) WE
5) Tongfu
CLC for all intents and purposes doesn't exist because EHOME sort of wrecked their roster. EHOME not listed because they don't play DotA 1. Getting to practice 100% DotA 2 does a lot for their practicing efficiency though, so in DotA 2, they are close to DK. For DotA 2, I'd probably put Tongfu up 2 slots (haven't seen them or iG play enough DotA 2 to say exactly which of the two are better).
Panda got disbanded after some contract issues. 3 ex-Panda players are now playing for Tongfu (Sansheng, Hao, Mu). WE is still a decent, though VERY inconsistent, team. They won't be a force in DotA 2 for a while because WE only just started having their DotA 1 team play DotA 2.
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
hi jango
okay he already know answer i no speak
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Thank you yangoz and framewheerz
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On May 22 2012 07:44 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 07:32 Zlasher wrote:
So Flamewheel master of all that is chinese dota. List and rank all the current chinese Dota teams pls. I thought DK was clearly #1, but LGD and CLC or whatever are generally considered ahead of iG or EHOME. And what ever happened to Panda, WE, and the rest? My (super biased) Chinese DotA team power rank (based on DotA 1 performance, not DotA 2). 1) DK 2) LGD 3) iG 4) WE 5) Tongfu CLC for all intents and purposes doesn't exist because EHOME sort of wrecked their roster. EHOME not listed because they don't play DotA 1. Getting to practice 100% DotA 2 does a lot for their practicing efficiency though, so in DotA 2, they are close to DK. For DotA 2, I'd probably put Tongfu up 2 slots (haven't seen them or iG play enough DotA 2 to say exactly which of the two are better). Panda got disbanded after some contract issues. 3 ex-Panda players are now playing for Tongfu (Sansheng, Hao, Mu). WE is still a decent, though VERY inconsistent, team. They won't be a force in DotA 2 for a while because WE only just started having their DotA 1 team play DotA 2.
For DotA1 Tongfu is far ahead of WE atm. iG is around Tongfu for now or worse because they're just playing bad now. NA is coming onto the scene as well.
I think we're gonna see more "pinoy" in China.
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Canada2068 Posts
On May 22 2012 08:19 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 07:44 TheYango wrote:On May 22 2012 07:32 Zlasher wrote:
So Flamewheel master of all that is chinese dota. List and rank all the current chinese Dota teams pls. I thought DK was clearly #1, but LGD and CLC or whatever are generally considered ahead of iG or EHOME. And what ever happened to Panda, WE, and the rest? My (super biased) Chinese DotA team power rank (based on DotA 1 performance, not DotA 2). 1) DK 2) LGD 3) iG 4) WE 5) Tongfu CLC for all intents and purposes doesn't exist because EHOME sort of wrecked their roster. EHOME not listed because they don't play DotA 1. Getting to practice 100% DotA 2 does a lot for their practicing efficiency though, so in DotA 2, they are close to DK. For DotA 2, I'd probably put Tongfu up 2 slots (haven't seen them or iG play enough DotA 2 to say exactly which of the two are better). Panda got disbanded after some contract issues. 3 ex-Panda players are now playing for Tongfu (Sansheng, Hao, Mu). WE is still a decent, though VERY inconsistent, team. They won't be a force in DotA 2 for a while because WE only just started having their DotA 1 team play DotA 2. For DotA1 Tongfu is far ahead of WE atm. iG is around Tongfu for now or worse because they're just playing bad now. NA is coming onto the scene as well. I think we're gonna see more "pinoy" in China.
Are you visiting China soon or something?
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Ehome was a must invite imo since their organization placed second last year; just the possibility of a finals rematch is worth giving them the slot.
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On May 22 2012 08:23 CountChocula wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 08:19 rabidch wrote:On May 22 2012 07:44 TheYango wrote:On May 22 2012 07:32 Zlasher wrote:
So Flamewheel master of all that is chinese dota. List and rank all the current chinese Dota teams pls. I thought DK was clearly #1, but LGD and CLC or whatever are generally considered ahead of iG or EHOME. And what ever happened to Panda, WE, and the rest? My (super biased) Chinese DotA team power rank (based on DotA 1 performance, not DotA 2). 1) DK 2) LGD 3) iG 4) WE 5) Tongfu CLC for all intents and purposes doesn't exist because EHOME sort of wrecked their roster. EHOME not listed because they don't play DotA 1. Getting to practice 100% DotA 2 does a lot for their practicing efficiency though, so in DotA 2, they are close to DK. For DotA 2, I'd probably put Tongfu up 2 slots (haven't seen them or iG play enough DotA 2 to say exactly which of the two are better). Panda got disbanded after some contract issues. 3 ex-Panda players are now playing for Tongfu (Sansheng, Hao, Mu). WE is still a decent, though VERY inconsistent, team. They won't be a force in DotA 2 for a while because WE only just started having their DotA 1 team play DotA 2. For DotA1 Tongfu is far ahead of WE atm. iG is around Tongfu for now or worse because they're just playing bad now. NA is coming onto the scene as well. I think we're gonna see more "pinoy" in China. Are you visiting China soon or something?
no, are you?
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FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
wait are you guys all chinese
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i'm pretty sure this entire page is chinese so far
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Lalalaland34503 Posts
On May 22 2012 08:47 flamewheel wrote:
wait are you guys all chinese
The way you said ehaomau or whatever made me wonder for a second.
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Finding a team that is around your skill level and is active is sooo difficult its impressive.
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Canada2068 Posts
On May 22 2012 08:27 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 08:23 CountChocula wrote:On May 22 2012 08:19 rabidch wrote:On May 22 2012 07:44 TheYango wrote:On May 22 2012 07:32 Zlasher wrote:
So Flamewheel master of all that is chinese dota. List and rank all the current chinese Dota teams pls. I thought DK was clearly #1, but LGD and CLC or whatever are generally considered ahead of iG or EHOME. And what ever happened to Panda, WE, and the rest? My (super biased) Chinese DotA team power rank (based on DotA 1 performance, not DotA 2). 1) DK 2) LGD 3) iG 4) WE 5) Tongfu CLC for all intents and purposes doesn't exist because EHOME sort of wrecked their roster. EHOME not listed because they don't play DotA 1. Getting to practice 100% DotA 2 does a lot for their practicing efficiency though, so in DotA 2, they are close to DK. For DotA 2, I'd probably put Tongfu up 2 slots (haven't seen them or iG play enough DotA 2 to say exactly which of the two are better). Panda got disbanded after some contract issues. 3 ex-Panda players are now playing for Tongfu (Sansheng, Hao, Mu). WE is still a decent, though VERY inconsistent, team. They won't be a force in DotA 2 for a while because WE only just started having their DotA 1 team play DotA 2. For DotA1 Tongfu is far ahead of WE atm. iG is around Tongfu for now or worse because they're just playing bad now. NA is coming onto the scene as well. I think we're gonna see more "pinoy" in China. Are you visiting China soon or something? no, are you?
No. I was just joking, because you seem to bring up the pinoy influence every other page.
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On May 22 2012 10:00 CountChocula wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 08:27 rabidch wrote:On May 22 2012 08:23 CountChocula wrote:On May 22 2012 08:19 rabidch wrote:On May 22 2012 07:44 TheYango wrote:On May 22 2012 07:32 Zlasher wrote:
So Flamewheel master of all that is chinese dota. List and rank all the current chinese Dota teams pls. I thought DK was clearly #1, but LGD and CLC or whatever are generally considered ahead of iG or EHOME. And what ever happened to Panda, WE, and the rest? My (super biased) Chinese DotA team power rank (based on DotA 1 performance, not DotA 2). 1) DK 2) LGD 3) iG 4) WE 5) Tongfu CLC for all intents and purposes doesn't exist because EHOME sort of wrecked their roster. EHOME not listed because they don't play DotA 1. Getting to practice 100% DotA 2 does a lot for their practicing efficiency though, so in DotA 2, they are close to DK. For DotA 2, I'd probably put Tongfu up 2 slots (haven't seen them or iG play enough DotA 2 to say exactly which of the two are better). Panda got disbanded after some contract issues. 3 ex-Panda players are now playing for Tongfu (Sansheng, Hao, Mu). WE is still a decent, though VERY inconsistent, team. They won't be a force in DotA 2 for a while because WE only just started having their DotA 1 team play DotA 2. For DotA1 Tongfu is far ahead of WE atm. iG is around Tongfu for now or worse because they're just playing bad now. NA is coming onto the scene as well. I think we're gonna see more "pinoy" in China. Are you visiting China soon or something? no, are you? No. I was just joking, because you seem to bring up the pinoy influence every other page.
On May 17 2012 01:27 CountChocula wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 00:11 rabidch wrote:On May 17 2012 00:00 SQWKZ wrote:On May 16 2012 21:09 rabidch wrote:gonna restream chinese dota1 soon. iG vs for.love in SW7 http://www.twitch.tv/cinco__es* watching OSL at the same time So is this ForLove a real competitor, or was iG just messing up the first game? How do the Chinese teams rate leshrac or tide? Are TC and siren high priority picks? Why? It's kinda hard to find anything relating to the cn scene, but I'm really interested to see what kind of stuff they are bringing to the international. iG messed up the first game badly, ForLove is a 3rd tier chinese team but iG has to focus on 2 games while ForLove just 1. Naga is not a conventional pick but she works sometimes for teams that like to force teamfights on teams with mediocre teamfight. TC is a pretty well known pick now but uncommon against a lot of lineups. Leshrac is pretty decently rated in Dota1 (Dota2 he is a stronger pick), similar to Tide. iG has a very good possibility of losing the 3rd game, but TV broadcast schedule killed the stream lol Why do the Chinese keep copying Pinoy picks? First it was DK, Slardar solo mid bottle-crow. Now it's Naga Siren?
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to watch dendi stream or singsing stream... guess i'll just watch both :D
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United States47024 Posts
On May 22 2012 08:19 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 07:44 TheYango wrote:On May 22 2012 07:32 Zlasher wrote:
So Flamewheel master of all that is chinese dota. List and rank all the current chinese Dota teams pls. I thought DK was clearly #1, but LGD and CLC or whatever are generally considered ahead of iG or EHOME. And what ever happened to Panda, WE, and the rest? My (super biased) Chinese DotA team power rank (based on DotA 1 performance, not DotA 2). 1) DK 2) LGD 3) iG 4) WE 5) Tongfu CLC for all intents and purposes doesn't exist because EHOME sort of wrecked their roster. EHOME not listed because they don't play DotA 1. Getting to practice 100% DotA 2 does a lot for their practicing efficiency though, so in DotA 2, they are close to DK. For DotA 2, I'd probably put Tongfu up 2 slots (haven't seen them or iG play enough DotA 2 to say exactly which of the two are better). Panda got disbanded after some contract issues. 3 ex-Panda players are now playing for Tongfu (Sansheng, Hao, Mu). WE is still a decent, though VERY inconsistent, team. They won't be a force in DotA 2 for a while because WE only just started having their DotA 1 team play DotA 2. For DotA1 Tongfu is far ahead of WE atm. iG is around Tongfu for now or worse because they're just playing bad now. NA is coming onto the scene as well. I think we're gonna see more "pinoy" in China.
Hard to say with WE. The problem is that they're always so damn inconsistent, so I'm hesitant to place them too low simply because I know they're *capable* of being really good. Also, I'm biased towards them. 
And yeah, I forgot about iG's abysmal showing in the Starswar qualifiers. I'd shift them down for that.
EDIT: NA is LoH minus xiaoguai and ksssssss right?
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Canada2068 Posts
On May 22 2012 10:05 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 10:00 CountChocula wrote:On May 22 2012 08:27 rabidch wrote:On May 22 2012 08:23 CountChocula wrote:On May 22 2012 08:19 rabidch wrote:On May 22 2012 07:44 TheYango wrote:On May 22 2012 07:32 Zlasher wrote:
So Flamewheel master of all that is chinese dota. List and rank all the current chinese Dota teams pls. I thought DK was clearly #1, but LGD and CLC or whatever are generally considered ahead of iG or EHOME. And what ever happened to Panda, WE, and the rest? My (super biased) Chinese DotA team power rank (based on DotA 1 performance, not DotA 2). 1) DK 2) LGD 3) iG 4) WE 5) Tongfu CLC for all intents and purposes doesn't exist because EHOME sort of wrecked their roster. EHOME not listed because they don't play DotA 1. Getting to practice 100% DotA 2 does a lot for their practicing efficiency though, so in DotA 2, they are close to DK. For DotA 2, I'd probably put Tongfu up 2 slots (haven't seen them or iG play enough DotA 2 to say exactly which of the two are better). Panda got disbanded after some contract issues. 3 ex-Panda players are now playing for Tongfu (Sansheng, Hao, Mu). WE is still a decent, though VERY inconsistent, team. They won't be a force in DotA 2 for a while because WE only just started having their DotA 1 team play DotA 2. For DotA1 Tongfu is far ahead of WE atm. iG is around Tongfu for now or worse because they're just playing bad now. NA is coming onto the scene as well. I think we're gonna see more "pinoy" in China. Are you visiting China soon or something? no, are you? No. I was just joking, because you seem to bring up the pinoy influence every other page. Show nested quote +On May 17 2012 01:27 CountChocula wrote:On May 17 2012 00:11 rabidch wrote:On May 17 2012 00:00 SQWKZ wrote:On May 16 2012 21:09 rabidch wrote:gonna restream chinese dota1 soon. iG vs for.love in SW7 http://www.twitch.tv/cinco__es* watching OSL at the same time So is this ForLove a real competitor, or was iG just messing up the first game? How do the Chinese teams rate leshrac or tide? Are TC and siren high priority picks? Why? It's kinda hard to find anything relating to the cn scene, but I'm really interested to see what kind of stuff they are bringing to the international. iG messed up the first game badly, ForLove is a 3rd tier chinese team but iG has to focus on 2 games while ForLove just 1. Naga is not a conventional pick but she works sometimes for teams that like to force teamfights on teams with mediocre teamfight. TC is a pretty well known pick now but uncommon against a lot of lineups. Leshrac is pretty decently rated in Dota1 (Dota2 he is a stronger pick), similar to Tide. iG has a very good possibility of losing the 3rd game, but TV broadcast schedule killed the stream lol Why do the Chinese keep copying Pinoy picks? First it was DK, Slardar solo mid bottle-crow. Now it's Naga Siren?
Damn, the truth is revealed. My plan was to secretly assemble a Pinoy team in NA dropping hints about Pinoys on TL to see who would bite instead of asking "Are you Pinoy, rabidch?". Then we would use super advanced Pinoy strats to take NA/EU by storm and seize the Wild Card (West) spot for the International.
Source: http://www.dota2.com/tournaments/international/
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Don't know why they have invites at all.
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Dk isn't pinoy at all, it was used by Chinese teams sporadically throughout 2011. And the issue of copying pinoy picks is just an extension of Chinese willingness to take an improve upon strats that look promising. Don't forget that it was dts that first showed china that sillybear is pretty strong
Oh and WE is like fantasy, they'll do well for a bit everytime 820 or 2009 comes up with something silly and technical that works well but in terms I standard play they're about as good as tongfu and ig and weaker than lgd and dk. Na is a dark horse team with potential but it's hard to discern how much of their results is them being good and how much is their opponents underperforming
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United States47024 Posts
On May 22 2012 14:00 Kupon3ss wrote:
Dk isn't pinoy at all, it was used by Chinese teams sporadically throughout 2011. And the issue of copying pinoy picks is just an extension of Chinese willingness to take an improve upon strats that look promising. Don't forget that it was dts that first showed china that sillybear is pretty strong
Oh and WE is like fantasy, they'll do well for a bit everytime 820 or 2009 comes up with something silly and technical that works well but in terms I standard play they're about as good as tongfu and ig and weaker than lgd and dk. Na is a dark horse team with potential but it's hard to discern how much of their results is them being good and how much is their opponents underperforming
How did I not think of this analogy earlier?
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probably because you don't watch enough chinese dota with HIGH LEVEL TROLL COMMENTARY
there have been great moments where it was like:
Game3 of WE Vs DK, 2009 (also commentating the tourny) comes back after the break and goes "I suggested to them that they pick this, this, and that." WE picks those exact heroes. Then 2009 goes: now WE should pick stuff that obviously go with those, WE picks something completely stupid, everybody facepalms, WE loses.
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