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On May 10 2012 04:30 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 04:09 dragonborn wrote:On May 10 2012 03:42 Zlasher wrote:
Hard to say mTw has a serious chance at getting invited unless they really solidfy themselves as a top 8 team in the west.
There'll likely be like, 3 Chinese teams, Zenith, mufc, mineski, orange. At LEAST. They're going to want to put a good impression on the Asian teams, so as to market to that scene I would assume. Then theres Navi Virtus.Pro Darer M5, CLG mouz, EG coL Quantic ItsGosu and more. Not many spaces left DK EHOME LGD +1 Chinese team Zenith aL Mineski Orange MUFC NaVi CLG EG ex-Gosu itGoSu coL 4 Chinese, 4 SEA, 4 USA, 4 EU i think virtus.pro, darer, mouz, mTw and m5 will fight for last spot  MUFC and mineski should be ranked wayyyy behind zenith... they just got a 10+ win streak recently until they lost to Orange. EG is questionable, they should be invited last since their players has novisa issue and theircurrent line up has not show any good result recently. Same goes to itsgosu, exgosu and coL. teams like M5 or Virtus.Pro are incredibly strong right now and mouz, mTw, Next.KZ are all on the rise. I wouldnt be surprised if EU got more than just 4 slots due to how poorly NA scene is playing.
the fact is The International 2 in US Seattle
4x US teams are 100% for me due this.
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On May 10 2012 04:32 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 04:30 NB wrote:On May 10 2012 04:09 dragonborn wrote:On May 10 2012 03:42 Zlasher wrote:
Hard to say mTw has a serious chance at getting invited unless they really solidfy themselves as a top 8 team in the west.
There'll likely be like, 3 Chinese teams, Zenith, mufc, mineski, orange. At LEAST. They're going to want to put a good impression on the Asian teams, so as to market to that scene I would assume. Then theres Navi Virtus.Pro Darer M5, CLG mouz, EG coL Quantic ItsGosu and more. Not many spaces left DK EHOME LGD +1 Chinese team Zenith aL Mineski Orange MUFC NaVi CLG EG ex-Gosu itGoSu coL 4 Chinese, 4 SEA, 4 USA, 4 EU i think virtus.pro, darer, mouz, mTw and m5 will fight for last spot MUFC and mineski should be ranked wayyyy behind zenith... they just got a 10+ win streak recently until they lost to Orange. EG is questionable, they should be invited last since their players has novisa issue and theircurrent line up has not show any good result recently. Same goes to itsgosu, exgosu and coL. teams like M5 or Virtus.Pro are incredibly strong right now and mouz, mTw, Next.KZ are all on the rise. I wouldnt be surprised if EU got more than just 4 slots due to how poorly NA scene is playing. the fact is The International 2 in US Seattle 4x US teams are 100% for me due this.
they could act as a +1 in case one of the invited team cant get visa but thats it. Valve has shown last year that they dont care about geography and they are paying EVERYTHING to invite the top teams. More over 1 or 2 NA team will make a way better story for PR than 4-5 which often make it less attractive for the fans. How could you invite coL if they just got 0-2 by Virtus.Pro on USEast???
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IMO the new mTw has proven to be a good team, but we'll see.
The DotA2 scene is new even if the DotA scene is old. In a year or two i'm sure we'll have a stable scene with stable teams and stable rosters.
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On May 10 2012 04:35 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 04:32 dragonborn wrote:On May 10 2012 04:30 NB wrote:On May 10 2012 04:09 dragonborn wrote:On May 10 2012 03:42 Zlasher wrote:
Hard to say mTw has a serious chance at getting invited unless they really solidfy themselves as a top 8 team in the west.
There'll likely be like, 3 Chinese teams, Zenith, mufc, mineski, orange. At LEAST. They're going to want to put a good impression on the Asian teams, so as to market to that scene I would assume. Then theres Navi Virtus.Pro Darer M5, CLG mouz, EG coL Quantic ItsGosu and more. Not many spaces left DK EHOME LGD +1 Chinese team Zenith aL Mineski Orange MUFC NaVi CLG EG ex-Gosu itGoSu coL 4 Chinese, 4 SEA, 4 USA, 4 EU i think virtus.pro, darer, mouz, mTw and m5 will fight for last spot MUFC and mineski should be ranked wayyyy behind zenith... they just got a 10+ win streak recently until they lost to Orange. EG is questionable, they should be invited last since their players has novisa issue and theircurrent line up has not show any good result recently. Same goes to itsgosu, exgosu and coL. teams like M5 or Virtus.Pro are incredibly strong right now and mouz, mTw, Next.KZ are all on the rise. I wouldnt be surprised if EU got more than just 4 slots due to how poorly NA scene is playing. the fact is The International 2 in US Seattle 4x US teams are 100% for me due this. they could act as a +1 in case one of the invited team cant get visa but thats it. Valve has shown last year that they dont care about geography and they are paying EVERYTHING to invite the top teams. More over 1 or 2 NA team will make a way better story for PR than 4-5 which often make it less attractive for the fans. How could you invite coL if they just got 0-2 by Virtus.Pro on USEast???
because coL is a stable team and never changed their roster?
and they are top 5 in GG ranking with 78% winrate.
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On May 10 2012 04:41 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 04:35 NB wrote:On May 10 2012 04:32 dragonborn wrote:On May 10 2012 04:30 NB wrote:On May 10 2012 04:09 dragonborn wrote:On May 10 2012 03:42 Zlasher wrote:
Hard to say mTw has a serious chance at getting invited unless they really solidfy themselves as a top 8 team in the west.
There'll likely be like, 3 Chinese teams, Zenith, mufc, mineski, orange. At LEAST. They're going to want to put a good impression on the Asian teams, so as to market to that scene I would assume. Then theres Navi Virtus.Pro Darer M5, CLG mouz, EG coL Quantic ItsGosu and more. Not many spaces left DK EHOME LGD +1 Chinese team Zenith aL Mineski Orange MUFC NaVi CLG EG ex-Gosu itGoSu coL 4 Chinese, 4 SEA, 4 USA, 4 EU i think virtus.pro, darer, mouz, mTw and m5 will fight for last spot MUFC and mineski should be ranked wayyyy behind zenith... they just got a 10+ win streak recently until they lost to Orange. EG is questionable, they should be invited last since their players has novisa issue and theircurrent line up has not show any good result recently. Same goes to itsgosu, exgosu and coL. teams like M5 or Virtus.Pro are incredibly strong right now and mouz, mTw, Next.KZ are all on the rise. I wouldnt be surprised if EU got more than just 4 slots due to how poorly NA scene is playing. the fact is The International 2 in US Seattle 4x US teams are 100% for me due this. they could act as a +1 in case one of the invited team cant get visa but thats it. Valve has shown last year that they dont care about geography and they are paying EVERYTHING to invite the top teams. More over 1 or 2 NA team will make a way better story for PR than 4-5 which often make it less attractive for the fans. How could you invite coL if they just got 0-2 by Virtus.Pro on USEast??? because coL is a stable team and never changed their roster? and they are top 5 in GG ranking with 78% winrate.
I guess if they were basing invites from a few months ago.
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On May 10 2012 03:43 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 03:40 TheYango wrote:
Not all of the chokepoint jungle spots work in DotA 2 because of pathing differences. That one in particular for the Sentinel pull camp is broken. Ok I was wondering why no matter where I went by the trees they wouldn't agro. Is the choke point jungling still viable/better than normal? And if so would it be viable to cut down a tree in the top camp and try to stack both that way? Thanks for the help.
It's worth doing on the camps it works on. You just need to figure out which ones work and which ones don't, and don't do it on the ones that don't work.
On May 10 2012 04:09 dragonborn wrote:
+1 Chinese team
That +1 will be TongFu, unless iG stops being bitter about the first International and actually starts practicing DotA 2.
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On May 10 2012 04:43 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 04:41 dragonborn wrote:On May 10 2012 04:35 NB wrote:On May 10 2012 04:32 dragonborn wrote:On May 10 2012 04:30 NB wrote:On May 10 2012 04:09 dragonborn wrote:On May 10 2012 03:42 Zlasher wrote:
Hard to say mTw has a serious chance at getting invited unless they really solidfy themselves as a top 8 team in the west.
There'll likely be like, 3 Chinese teams, Zenith, mufc, mineski, orange. At LEAST. They're going to want to put a good impression on the Asian teams, so as to market to that scene I would assume. Then theres Navi Virtus.Pro Darer M5, CLG mouz, EG coL Quantic ItsGosu and more. Not many spaces left DK EHOME LGD +1 Chinese team Zenith aL Mineski Orange MUFC NaVi CLG EG ex-Gosu itGoSu coL 4 Chinese, 4 SEA, 4 USA, 4 EU i think virtus.pro, darer, mouz, mTw and m5 will fight for last spot MUFC and mineski should be ranked wayyyy behind zenith... they just got a 10+ win streak recently until they lost to Orange. EG is questionable, they should be invited last since their players has novisa issue and theircurrent line up has not show any good result recently. Same goes to itsgosu, exgosu and coL. teams like M5 or Virtus.Pro are incredibly strong right now and mouz, mTw, Next.KZ are all on the rise. I wouldnt be surprised if EU got more than just 4 slots due to how poorly NA scene is playing. the fact is The International 2 in US Seattle 4x US teams are 100% for me due this. they could act as a +1 in case one of the invited team cant get visa but thats it. Valve has shown last year that they dont care about geography and they are paying EVERYTHING to invite the top teams. More over 1 or 2 NA team will make a way better story for PR than 4-5 which often make it less attractive for the fans. How could you invite coL if they just got 0-2 by Virtus.Pro on USEast??? because coL is a stable team and never changed their roster? and they are top 5 in GG ranking with 78% winrate. I guess if they were basing invites from a few months ago.
but coL is still the most stable American team 
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/database.php?id=13221&start=0 the first 3 page isnt that bad.
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and who care about American? ya you love your country alright but last time i check most of them were playing LoL. Seriously, 2 NA teams is more than enough and i am counting EG as an NA team.
and i am willing to go as far calling gosugamer ranking chart bullshit. Unless we have a ranking chart in Liquidpedia or playdota, im not buying into any of those crap :-/
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On May 10 2012 04:43 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 03:43 hunts wrote:On May 10 2012 03:40 TheYango wrote:
Not all of the chokepoint jungle spots work in DotA 2 because of pathing differences. That one in particular for the Sentinel pull camp is broken. Ok I was wondering why no matter where I went by the trees they wouldn't agro. Is the choke point jungling still viable/better than normal? And if so would it be viable to cut down a tree in the top camp and try to stack both that way? Thanks for the help. It's worth doing on the camps it works on. You just need to figure out which ones work and which ones don't, and don't do it on the ones that don't work. That +1 will be TongFu, unless iG stops being bitter about the first International and actually starts practicing DotA 2.
Seems I can stack both camps with cutting down a tree about half the time, still can't get it quite right. Feels like half the time I pull just a split second too early or late, causing either the top one or the bottom one to not stack.
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i think broodmother could make black widow alright
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I agree MUFC and Mineski should be behind Zenith but remember, The International is also Valve's chance to market their game to their viewing audience, and ignoring the Malaysian market is suicide.
And yes I forgot about AL herpderp, those guys are almost definitely in, without a doubt a top team and in Australia no less.
That said I disagree a bit more with your list dragonborn. There is no way that Darer and Virtus.Pro are 'behind' itsgosu, exgosu, and coL, they would be right there alongside those teams. Mouz might even be higher just due to the fact that they perform well, and have singsing who is the highest ranked, and probably most popular player there is.
The only real locks of non Asian teams are I would say Na'vi and Absolute Legends due to their performance and location. After that there seem to be 10 teams vying for 6 spots or so.
CLG might be a lock as long as they keep their current, supremely steady performance. They are also far and away the best Swedish/Northern European team. And it seems like they'll add Misery too, that is a menacingly strong lineup.
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On May 10 2012 04:43 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 04:41 dragonborn wrote:On May 10 2012 04:35 NB wrote:On May 10 2012 04:32 dragonborn wrote:On May 10 2012 04:30 NB wrote:On May 10 2012 04:09 dragonborn wrote:On May 10 2012 03:42 Zlasher wrote:
Hard to say mTw has a serious chance at getting invited unless they really solidfy themselves as a top 8 team in the west.
There'll likely be like, 3 Chinese teams, Zenith, mufc, mineski, orange. At LEAST. They're going to want to put a good impression on the Asian teams, so as to market to that scene I would assume. Then theres Navi Virtus.Pro Darer M5, CLG mouz, EG coL Quantic ItsGosu and more. Not many spaces left DK EHOME LGD +1 Chinese team Zenith aL Mineski Orange MUFC NaVi CLG EG ex-Gosu itGoSu coL 4 Chinese, 4 SEA, 4 USA, 4 EU i think virtus.pro, darer, mouz, mTw and m5 will fight for last spot MUFC and mineski should be ranked wayyyy behind zenith... they just got a 10+ win streak recently until they lost to Orange. EG is questionable, they should be invited last since their players has novisa issue and theircurrent line up has not show any good result recently. Same goes to itsgosu, exgosu and coL. teams like M5 or Virtus.Pro are incredibly strong right now and mouz, mTw, Next.KZ are all on the rise. I wouldnt be surprised if EU got more than just 4 slots due to how poorly NA scene is playing. the fact is The International 2 in US Seattle 4x US teams are 100% for me due this. they could act as a +1 in case one of the invited team cant get visa but thats it. Valve has shown last year that they dont care about geography and they are paying EVERYTHING to invite the top teams. More over 1 or 2 NA team will make a way better story for PR than 4-5 which often make it less attractive for the fans. How could you invite coL if they just got 0-2 by Virtus.Pro on USEast??? because coL is a stable team and never changed their roster? and they are top 5 in GG ranking with 78% winrate. I guess if they were basing invites from a few months ago.
So if DK gets 2-0d 3 times in the next week, it means we take away their invites?
i dont understand where the whole oh man they lost that one time so they arent good anymore
btw to everyone that are speaking about location and having representent from other countries and different market. This is made by Valve, money will never be a problem and they said before, the best teams will be invited. Not teams that will most likely ensure to please everyone.
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On May 10 2012 05:14 Zlasher wrote:
I agree MUFC and Mineski should be behind Zenith but remember, The International is also Valve's chance to market their game to their viewing audience, and ignoring the Malaysian market is suicide.
And yes I forgot about AL herpderp, those guys are almost definitely in, without a doubt a top team and in Australia no less.
That said I disagree a bit more with your list dragonborn. There is no way that Darer and Virtus.Pro are 'behind' itsgosu, exgosu, and coL, they would be right there alongside those teams. Mouz might even be higher just due to the fact that they perform well, and have singsing who is the highest ranked, and probably most popular player there is.
The only real locks of non Asian teams are I would say Na'vi and Absolute Legends due to their performance and location. After that there seem to be 10 teams vying for 6 spots or so.
CLG might be a lock as long as they keep their current, supremely steady performance. They are also far and away the best Swedish/Northern European team. And it seems like they'll add Misery too, that is a menacingly strong lineup.
Actually ex-Gosu is pretty good, they did beat CLG, VP and will play final in fnaticRC cup, won dreamhack qualifiers, korok on tear.
i would put them above of VP and Darer.
like you said, The International is valve's chance to market DotA 2 to viewer audience, so nothing wrong to inviting 4 American team in US located tournament.
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Theyre not gonna invite 4 american teams.
I mean the last International was played in germany and there wasnt a single german team. Maybe GGnet can be counted as german but still, i think valves criteria arent based on where teams are from.
At least not mainly.
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On May 10 2012 05:33 paschl wrote:
Theyre not gonna invite 4 american teams.
I mean the last International was played in germany and there wasnt a single german team. Maybe GGnet can be counted as german but still, i think valves criteria arent based on where teams are from.
At least not mainly.
The International 1 was EU located tournament.
8 eu teams
4 Chinese
4 SEA
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On May 10 2012 05:40 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 05:33 paschl wrote:
Theyre not gonna invite 4 american teams.
I mean the last International was played in germany and there wasnt a single german team. Maybe GGnet can be counted as german but still, i think valves criteria arent based on where teams are from.
At least not mainly. The International 1 was EU located tournament. 8 eu teams 4 Chinese 4 SEA
YEAH BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY PLAY DOTA IN EU... buddy im telling you, it gona take a lot to have valve invite NA team. The NA scene is so damn small its not even worth to expand the market to. DotA main markets has always been EU and China and SEA.
Ex-gosu isnt a stable pick either bc their captain is now playing for EG. No sponsor plus lack in stable line up will kill them. The only 2 chances right now to get ticket to the international 2 are JoinDotA tournaments (the defense 2 coming up) and LAN at dreamhack. I doubt the result of small online tourneys such as itsgosu cup would affect IceFrog invites.
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On May 10 2012 05:57 NB wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 05:40 dragonborn wrote:On May 10 2012 05:33 paschl wrote:
Theyre not gonna invite 4 american teams.
I mean the last International was played in germany and there wasnt a single german team. Maybe GGnet can be counted as german but still, i think valves criteria arent based on where teams are from.
At least not mainly. The International 1 was EU located tournament. 8 eu teams 4 Chinese 4 SEA YEAH BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY PLAY DOTA IN EU... buddy im telling you, it gona take a lot to have valve invite NA team. The NA scene is so damn small its not even worth to expand the market to. DotA main markets has always been EU and China and SEA. Ex-gosu isnt a stable pick either bc their captain is now playing for EG. No sponsor plus lack in stable line up will kill them. The only 2 chances right now to get ticket to the international 2 are JoinDotA tournaments (the defense 2 coming up) and LAN at dreamhack. I doubt the result of small online tourneys such as itsgosu cup would affect IceFrog invites.
Exgosu has won over 15 matches in a row without bulba.. pretty sure they deserve the spot more than EG atm.
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On May 10 2012 06:06 5-s wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 05:57 NB wrote:On May 10 2012 05:40 dragonborn wrote:On May 10 2012 05:33 paschl wrote:
Theyre not gonna invite 4 american teams.
I mean the last International was played in germany and there wasnt a single german team. Maybe GGnet can be counted as german but still, i think valves criteria arent based on where teams are from.
At least not mainly. The International 1 was EU located tournament. 8 eu teams 4 Chinese 4 SEA YEAH BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY PLAY DOTA IN EU... buddy im telling you, it gona take a lot to have valve invite NA team. The NA scene is so damn small its not even worth to expand the market to. DotA main markets has always been EU and China and SEA. Ex-gosu isnt a stable pick either bc their captain is now playing for EG. No sponsor plus lack in stable line up will kill them. The only 2 chances right now to get ticket to the international 2 are JoinDotA tournaments (the defense 2 coming up) and LAN at dreamhack. I doubt the result of small online tourneys such as itsgosu cup would affect IceFrog invites. Exgosu has won over 15 matches in a row without bulba.. pretty sure they deserve the spot more than EG atm.
not to mention EG was one of the teams they beat in their streak, sweet justice.
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exgosu could meet EG in a bo3 tomorrow, but I'm not sure EG can beat Complexity to get there.
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