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Ru ba
Profile Joined February 2014
Serbia1812 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 22:03:49
April 04 2014 22:01 GMT
#101841
On April 05 2014 07:00 TheYango wrote:
Like I said, I can think of 10 clear invites (8 + 2 that you have to invite from SEA/NA for regional representation). 11's a fine number.

can you name the 8 you have in mind?just curious
u gotta farm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 04 2014 22:03 GMT
#101842
Alliance Na'Vi C9 Fnatic Empire
IG DK VG
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 22:06:04
April 04 2014 22:04 GMT
#101843
On April 05 2014 06:56 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 06:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
its 11 invites less than 13 relax

I thought that was a rumour, no? Regardless, I can't think of 11 clear invites any more than I can think of 13, and any list I've seen has been highly debatable.

I also don't know what makes you think I'm anything but relaxed.


The release about the event states that there will be 11 invites, Four regional qualifiers and the runner ups will play for the last spot.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
April 04 2014 22:05 GMT
#101844
On April 05 2014 06:57 Ru ba wrote:
because you feel the need to bold sentences.
it's like capsing,just makes you look juvenile
we understand your point

People argued with a position which no one in this thread had made (i.e. that invites are bad). That's a waste of everyone's time so I decided to be as clear as possible. No idea why you feel the need to act like a tool.

On April 05 2014 07:00 TheYango wrote:
Like I said, I can think of 10 clear invites (8 + 2 that you have to invite from SEA/NA for regional representation). 11's a fine number.


So what are the undebatable 10 invites?
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
April 04 2014 22:05 GMT
#101845
Got my ticket!
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
April 04 2014 22:06 GMT
#101846
11 invites is fine to me, 13 was ok but would be wrong now. 3 EU 3 China 1 SEA 1 Korean 1 American and 7 teams having to go through qualifier could be good too. In the end it does not really matter as the main contenders should all be there, no matter the system.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Ru ba
Profile Joined February 2014
Serbia1812 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 22:10:14
April 04 2014 22:07 GMT
#101847
On April 05 2014 07:03 TheYango wrote:
Alliance Na'Vi C9 Fnatic Empire
IG DK VG

I personally think fnatic doesn't deserve a direct invite
u gotta farm
Yergidy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2107 Posts
April 04 2014 22:07 GMT
#101848
Ticket = aquired!
One bright day in the middle of the night, Two dead boys got up to fight; Back to back they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
April 04 2014 22:08 GMT
#101849
On April 05 2014 07:03 TheYango wrote:
Alliance Na'Vi C9 Fnatic Empire
IG DK VG

So which SEA/NA team deserves the invite? I guess just EG and. . .I don't even know for SEA.

Of that, I'd say Fnatic and Empire are debatable. However, even if we accepted all that and came up with a clear SEA invite, it's not 11 teams.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 22:09:29
April 04 2014 22:09 GMT
#101850
On April 05 2014 07:07 Ru ba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 07:03 TheYango wrote:
Alliance Na'Vi C9 Fnatic Empire
IG DK VG

I personally think fanatic doesn't deserve a direct invite

They only way you could think that is if you consider roster stability to have 0 value, which Valve has made clear that they don't. Because at this point there is no team that has kept a roster as long as Fnatic and still been able to have decent results.

I don't even like Fnatic as a team, but given this as a factor, I think they should be a lock for an invite.
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
April 04 2014 22:09 GMT
#101851
On April 05 2014 07:07 Ru ba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 07:03 TheYango wrote:
Alliance Na'Vi C9 Fnatic Empire
IG DK VG

I personally think fanatic doesn't deserve a direct invite

Stability together with pretty good overall results since TI3.
Why would they not deserve it?
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 22:15:47
April 04 2014 22:11 GMT
#101852
On April 05 2014 07:08 FuzzyJAM wrote:
So which SEA/NA team deserves the invite? I guess just EG and. . .I don't even know for SEA.

It doesn't matter whether a team from those regions "deserves" one. Not having a SEA or NA invite is basically a slap in the face to those regions. It's not possible to do without causing a shitstorm. Which is why I listed +2 because regardless of how undeserving you think the teams in those regions are, and regardless of how few invite slots you think Valve should have for TI, it is not possible for them to not invite at least one NA team and one SEA team.
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
April 04 2014 22:12 GMT
#101853
Alliance, Na'Vi, C9, Fnatic, Empire, EG, Titan, DK, VG, IG seems like a solid 10 to me.

The 11th one will probably go to Newbee if they prove themselves in WPC.
super gg
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
April 04 2014 22:13 GMT
#101854
Titan looked good against newbee but they always have problems late game/closing out games
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 04 2014 22:15 GMT
#101855
It's actually questionable if Valve can have less than 4 Chinese invites without causing a shitstorm because there'd definitely be an enormous reaction to having less invites than last year (Chinese community would definitely take at least some offense to that). So if we consider Valve's hands tied on the need to have equal Chinese invites again at risk of snubbing the Chinese community, that's a full 11 invites.
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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 22:17:48
April 04 2014 22:15 GMT
#101856
On April 05 2014 07:11 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 07:08 FuzzyJAM wrote:
So which SEA/NA team deserves the invite? I guess just EG and. . .I don't even know for SEA.

It doesn't matter whether a team from those regions "deserves" one. Not having a SEA or NA invite is basically a slap in the face to those regions. It's not possible to do without causing a shitstorm. Which is why I listed +2 because regardless of how undeserving you think the teams in those regions are, and regardless of how few invite slots you think Valve should have for TI, it is not possible for them to not invite at least one NA team and one SEA team.

I don't mind having teams from "lesser" regions in the competition. Actually, I think it's good, and that's why they should have a qualifier. If it's not clear who should be invited from the region (and the fact that even those arguing for invites can't put forward who should be invited) then it shouldn't be decided arbitrarily.

Regardless, you seem to agree with me that 11 is too many given that you've only offered 10 even with the unnamed SEA and NA team.


Edit: God, I'm too slow. Well if the issue is purely about obnoxious fans not feeling "snubbed" based on zero logic then. . .Yeah, I think that's a really shitty way to run the most prestigious competition in eSports (or second most, superiormobagaming, etc.). I can understand it but it's a fundamentally different idea about what TI is to the one I have.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Ru ba
Profile Joined February 2014
Serbia1812 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 22:18:57
April 04 2014 22:17 GMT
#101857
On April 05 2014 07:09 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 07:07 Ru ba wrote:
On April 05 2014 07:03 TheYango wrote:
Alliance Na'Vi C9 Fnatic Empire
IG DK VG

I personally think fanatic doesn't deserve a direct invite

Stability together with pretty good overall results since TI3.
Why would they not deserve it?

because they haven't actually done anything notable aside from winning that captains draft tournament,which was yea a captains draft
I mean I'm not even sure I would give empire a direct invite
were talking about a direct invite to the biggest tournament of the year,I don't get why you guys think teams that didn't actually win a decent tournament through the year and just did ok deserve a invite
if the team is good they are going to emerge through the qualifier i dont see what the deal is
u gotta farm
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-04 22:19:05
April 04 2014 22:18 GMT
#101858
I think Ive seen fnatic at couple lan finals after ti3 ?
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
April 04 2014 22:19 GMT
#101859
as long as there's no Korean invite...
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
April 04 2014 22:19 GMT
#101860
On April 05 2014 07:15 FuzzyJAM wrote:
you seem to agree with me that 11 is too many given that you've only offered 10 even with the unnamed SEA and NA team.

Him a few postes earlier: "11's a fine number."
lol
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
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