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On April 04 2014 11:07 Veles wrote:Just had an 80 minute game where raxes didn't fall until 74 min in. We had a 2x bfury 2x crit 1 rapier ember and still lost to TB. I think its cuz we had 4 good heroes and 1 lina  Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 19:45 Shaella wrote:
dude i don't fucking know, Jakiro is so strong right now in my opinion, and he synergizes with QW invoker really well.
like, tornado into ice path into macro with emp and deafening ontop is fucking insane amounts of won teamfight
And E is a tower killer thats like, as good as Pugna's nether blast.
hero is goddamn underratedd Jak was picked when lvl 1 icepath did 100 damage and when people actually had tri vs tri happen. Now he sucks at split pushing and also catching split pushers soooo
Well I don't think the second crit makes any sense at all but I also don't see how Ember loses that anyway.
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Ember isn't actually good ultra late game. When cores are sitting at 3k hp 30 armor SoF tickles. They could kill our base in seconds, while ember is a glass cannon who cant hit the tower when we try to push because then they initiate on him and he dies.
And second crit is more dps. When throne fell he swapped a bfury for another rapier and they still didn't care unless it was a crit
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On April 04 2014 11:07 Veles wrote:Just had an 80 minute game where raxes didn't fall until 74 min in. We had a 2x bfury 2x crit 1 rapier ember and still lost to TB. I think its cuz we had 4 good heroes and 1 lina Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 19:45 Shaella wrote:
dude i don't fucking know, Jakiro is so strong right now in my opinion, and he synergizes with QW invoker really well.
like, tornado into ice path into macro with emp and deafening ontop is fucking insane amounts of won teamfight
And E is a tower killer thats like, as good as Pugna's nether blast.
hero is goddamn underratedd Jak was picked when lvl 1 icepath did 100 damage and when people actually had tri vs tri happen. Now he sucks at split pushing and also catching split pushers soooo
Lina's a solid hero. At the very least, she can move quickly by casting spells and farm up a Hex in reasonable time in the super lategame. I'm guessing your issues were more with a Radiance illusion hero pushing in all lanes simultaneously and/or poor map movement.
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On April 04 2014 11:13 Veles wrote:
Ember isn't actually good ultra late game. When cores are sitting at 3k hp 30 armor SoF tickles. They could kill our base in seconds, while ember is a glass cannon who cant hit the tower when we try to push because then they initiate on him and he dies.
And second crit is more dps. When throne fell he swapped a bfury for another rapier and they still didn't care unless it was a crit
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An SoF that cleaves armor-ignoring pure damge that treats TB illusions as hero targets isn't good ultra late game?
Second crit gets swapped for a third battlefury since you increase the damage of all cleaves by 50% (unless you need a utility ghost sceptor), which is the majority of your damage. The fact that you're even considering swapping the second BF for a rapier is... Maybe how to play Ember late-game isn't common knowledge though.
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While I wasn't ember, I think his build was acceptable. They knew what ember could do and made sure to not clump. A third bfury would have been silly, the only other options were bkb/mkb. We ended up losing because we had a hard time breaking base. We needed to win a fight and lose very little, but most fights in the game were close and then the losing team would just mass bb.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/593414969
Also, what is with dotabuff's hero damage? I checked in console after the game and I remember ember had 90k while this says 33.
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console might be telling you all damage dealt including to creeps
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On April 04 2014 11:57 Veles wrote:While I wasn't ember, I think his build was acceptable. They knew what ember could do and made sure to not clump. A third bfury would have been silly, the only other options were bkb/mkb. We ended up losing because we had a hard time breaking base. We needed to win a fight and lose very little, but most fights in the game were close and then the losing team would just mass bb. http://dotabuff.com/matches/593414969Also, what is with dotabuff's hero damage? I checked in console after the game and I remember ember had 90k while this says 33.
And you'd be wrong. And this is not me trying to be a dick but the math behind Battlefury is very clear, especially reinforced in this scenario against illusion heroes. The fact that Ember ended up with a single Battlefury against TB for some reason is a mistake. It's a losing build.
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Do you get cleave damage against a single target? I don't think you do.
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On April 04 2014 12:00 Shaella wrote:
console might be telling you all damage dealt including to creeps
console breaks it down by hero, i'm assuming its pretty accurate too
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On April 04 2014 12:14 Hagen0 wrote:
Do you get cleave damage against a single target? I don't think you do.
Single target SoF late-game at T3 fights against an illusion hero. Oh boy.
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If you look at our team we didn't have any big ranged damage except SoF. TB quickly realized that its much easier to push with 1-2 illus than 5. One maxed out illu can quickly deal base damage and we have to use 6 sec cd SoF (which doesn't even one shot it with a crit) to deal most of our dps.
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On April 04 2014 12:28 Veles wrote:
If you look at our team we didn't have any big ranged damage except SoF. TB quickly realized that its much easier to push with 1-2 illus than 5. One maxed out illu can quickly deal base damage and we have to use 6 sec cd SoF (which doesn't even one shot it with a crit) to deal most of our dps.
What's Invoker?
And lol of course it won't one-shot it without enough cleave. It's been proven like 10 times on the Ember thread why cleave is superior. Look I'm not interested in rehashing ancient arguments about Ember builds. We can leave it here.
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Do it DK. Guaranteed 2nd place, Demon is 3/3 as stand-in 2014.
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ROFL DEMON.
hahaha, he'll get there allright, just like he promised fear
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Standin Demon what a player
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Ember isn't actually good ultra late game. When cores are sitting at 3k hp 30 armor SoF tickles. They could kill our base in seconds, while ember is a glass cannon who cant hit the tower when we try to push because then they initiate on him and he dies.
i wouldnt call multiple ~800dmg cleave crits a tickle, especially when you're trying to push high-ground
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Also he even if he is tickling your cores I am sure your supports don't feel that way.
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EPT
