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Hoban
United States1600 Posts
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66365 Posts
yeah but 2-3 clarities does the job, unless you're going aggressive early game es, then you won't be going midas in the first place anyway On May 04 2012 20:50 Unleashing wrote: If you don't stack the camp first you'll push the lane and it's not always sure you'll want to do that. Ontop of that your enemies might block the spawn. yeah the tower took quite a lot of damage, by the 15 min mark the tower was way below half its hp :< but still, possible lol. but what kipsate said, blink dagger over midas could be better | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
I mean... sure get a midas on ES at 10 minutes, just realize that it's completely useless on you and your 1900 gold you spent won't pay you back for a while at a time where ES needs to have a presence. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:31 NB wrote: Late game ideal core are: Rad, Heart, Diffisual, Buriza/MKB, AC with tranquill/tread/BoT. Don't get MKB on PL. Literally none of the stats work on illusions. Bash doesn't, true strike doesn't, and the damage/attack speed don't. Same with AC, because Illusions don't benefit from non-Endurance auras: Illusions will bestow any auras that the original hero has, however they usually will not benefit from this aura. For instance, an illusion of a hero carrying a Vladmir's Offering will provide the 3 auras (damage, armor and lifesteal) to nearby allied units, but the illusion itself will not benefit at all from the item. Exceptions: Illusions can benefit from auras based on Endurance Aura, such as Yasha's movement speed and attack speed bonus, or Beastmaster's Inner Beast You really shouldn't leave out Manta on PL. The Manta illusions last signficantly longer than the ones from any of his abilities, meaning that they have much higher Illusion-generating capability. Manta also gives straight stats, and the MS/AS are Endurance aura-based, so the Illusions do benefit from it. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
ES isn't really one of those heroes where you can sacrifice an important midgame. (keep in mind, HoM takes roughly 12~ minutes to pay itself back) | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On May 04 2012 23:36 TheYango wrote: Don't get MKB on PL. Literally none of the stats work on illusions. Bash doesn't, true strike doesn't, and the damage/attack speed don't. Wouldn't get Buriza either. Butterfly is better. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 04 2012 23:38 flamewheel wrote: Wouldn't get Buriza either. Butterfly is better. I'd get Manta first instead of either, because Manta gives 100% Illusion-usable stats. EDIT: Please don't go Midas on Earthshaker. It takes 17 minutes for Midas to pay for itself, and unlike other Midas users, ES gets literally zero value from attack speed. Pushing back your other items by 2000 gold is really damaging on a support. | ||
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Yoshi-
Germany10227 Posts
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SirMilford
Australia1269 Posts
Also on a different topic, never build midas on ES. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66365 Posts
ES with bkb ac daedalus treads blink aghanims -> blink destroy supports, finish off carries lol it's more of a fun build for me than a serious one though, just saying that it IS possible and kinda fun doing so :p | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 05 2012 00:10 SirMilford wrote: PL is pretty good, i went mid and we ended up pushign and winning by 25minutes. I feel as if me going Radiance first major item was a mistake though, would have been impossible to do in a normal game *not taking a huge amount of towers*. Would something like a vanguard into diffusal work better? Probably don't even need the ring for the vanguard, just grab the vit booster and turn it into a heart later. Also on a different topic, never build midas on ES. PL doesn't have the same presence other carries do on 1-2 core items. Just as with other really hard carries, you need to farm to the point of 2-3 big items to really hit your stride. This is why you get Radiance--it's simply the best farming tool to get you to the point where you take control of the game. | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 05 2012 00:39 cilinder007 wrote: şo you would get manta before heart ? like after diffusal ? The order in which you get Manta/Diffusal/Heart is very situational. Diffusal gives you the most damage. Heart gives you the most survivability, and Manta is more well-rounded and gives you utility. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
ive never seen a team so dedicated to killing me though, they always had 3-4 bottom, it was basically a team fight from 5m-20m all game.. very strange. I guess PL nightmares from dota1 still exist. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On May 05 2012 00:10 SirMilford wrote: PL is pretty good, i went mid and we ended up pushign and winning by 25minutes. I feel as if me going Radiance first major item was a mistake though, would have been impossible to do in a normal game *not taking a huge amount of towers*. Would something like a vanguard into diffusal work better? Probably don't even need the ring for the vanguard, just grab the vit booster and turn it into a heart later. Also on a different topic, never build midas on ES. dont get vanguard. vit booster + tranquil is more cost effective also there's a point where diffusal stops being useful. | ||
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paschl
Germany666 Posts
On May 04 2012 23:49 Yoshi- wrote: http://www.virtuspro.org/news/dota/KuroKy-vstupil-v-Virtuspro/ Kky joined virtuspro nice kky and ns starting a team. gogo kky. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On May 05 2012 02:41 NB wrote: why people are hating on rad first PL??? its much better than diffisual/manta. Once you hit illusion, you can farm 3 jungle camps and side lan at the same time. Everything just explodes with rad on PL and the best part is PL could get it pretty fast compare to other(18-19 min rad compare to 25 min on weaver/spec). The main reason why i dont know how 6 slots PL works is simply bc i have never reached that point. Once you got rad -> diffisual and half way to heart, thats normally when your game end. i dont see any hate | ||
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konadora
Singapore66365 Posts
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