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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
February 26 2014 18:17 GMT
#97481
Been saying for over a year all the leagues should split divisions.

Doesn't matter if the NA one is weaker, it can only grow because of it.
Once you Goblak...
Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-26 18:33:56
February 26 2014 18:32 GMT
#97482
On February 26 2014 21:18 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 03:56 TheYango wrote:
On February 26 2014 03:21 njt7 wrote:
On February 26 2014 03:13 Zarathusta wrote:
The midding/ganking discussion was pretty enlightening to me. As a ~400 game new player, I don't often mid, but I find that when I do there is a lot of pressure on me to gank the sidelanes, especially if they are losing that lane (feeding). When I do attempt a gank, sometimes they hug the tower, sometimes they countergank, sometimes I screw up and get killed bad, sometimes I trade 1 for 1, and sometimes it is successful.

Overall, I would say if I try to improve my judgement on when to leave lane to gank, and execute successfully when I do, I would be a much more effective mid player. I will feel less pressured now to gank everytime my team calls for it.


One of the easiest way to give your team an advantage from the mid lane is to get the tower down, this is easiest done with dk, dp, rhasta. Id say this is one of the safest way to play mid. Just farm until your opponent tries to gank then you kill the tower. Now you basicly have 3 choices, try to get another tower down (buy a teamfight item), try to kill heroes (buy a positining item blink or shadowblade or something) or farm for something bigger.

Sure some games your teammates will flame you for not winning their lanes for them now we have three choices mute them, ignore them or try to "reason" with them. I think we all know whats more sensible.

It's even simpler than that. One of the easiest ways to give your team an advantage from mid is to *win mid*. It seems simple but a lot of pub players in mid don't know how to totally suppress the opponent mid, even in a situation where they're winning and give the enemy mid more space in the lane/game than they should. If you crush your lane mid, it reduces the pressure on your sidelanes because the gank threat from the opposing mid is weaker due to his lack of items/levels, and because the opposing mid cannot secure vision of you as easily if you have control of the lane, the enemy sidelanes still have to play around your gank threat.

Often in pub mid lanes, players don't establish firm control of the lane before trying to gank. Because of this, one of three things often happens when they gank which destroys any advantage they had:
1) They get counterganked, killed, and are now behind in the lane they were ahead in, as well as potentially putting the lane they ganked for behind
2) They succeed in ganking, but the gold/XP they got from the gank doesn't outweigh the gold/XP the enemy mid got from their free-farm time mid. They put a sidelane ahead at the cost of no longer being ahead mid.
3) Their gank fails, and they let the mid the were ahead against get free-farm time. They didn't put a lane ahead, and are now behind in a lane they were winning.



That's probably the #1 mistake alot of people make when they play mid. They don't understand why it's so important to suppress the enemy mid, because in the mid game, your 2 becomes really important since they have all the gold and exp. Unless you're just crushing the enemy mid, or you get an opportunity (like a haste rune or an invis rune), you should just stay mid and keep winning it. In the end, you will come out ahead because you will have more levels and farm than the other guy. I've had plenty of games where I'm playing a strong laner like Invoker/OD and I simply come out ahead despite my team getting ganked a few times. In the end, 90% of the time I'm winning those games (unless your team repeatedly feeds, in which case you were hopeless from the start) simply due to stronger midgame items than anyone else in that game.

This is also why lots of people fail on OD in pubs (and why his win ratio isn't alot higher despite being a pub stomper of the century). They don't win mid as hard as they should (like literally denying 95% of the creeps when they should be able to).


Yeah. Unless you're qop or something with a haste/invis rune it's 90% more effective for a side lane to rotate mid for a gank. Leaving mid to gank means you're effectively giving 1-2 minutes for the enemy mid to catch up while you get nothing most of the time. Supports or offlaners (bh, clock, potm, etc) don't lose very much by rotating mid or camping there. Also it's less obvious when supports and offlaners are off the map.
wuhan_clan
Profile Joined April 2012
United States5609 Posts
February 26 2014 18:37 GMT
#97483
EG/Sadboys getting rekt by RoxKis. Guess they can only look good stomping tier 5 NA/SA teams.
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
February 26 2014 18:40 GMT
#97484
On February 27 2014 03:37 wuhan_clan wrote:
EG/Sadboys getting rekt by RoxKis. Guess they can only look good stomping tier 5 NA/SA teams.

Roxkis has been really good lately, at least I was impressed by their play.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 26 2014 18:40 GMT
#97485
Wait what tournament are EG playing Rox.Kis in?
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kaztah
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1221 Posts
February 26 2014 18:44 GMT
#97486
Netolic pro league. just ended now
I speak fluent sarcasm.
wuhan_clan
Profile Joined April 2012
United States5609 Posts
February 26 2014 18:44 GMT
#97487
On February 27 2014 03:40 Gevna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 03:37 wuhan_clan wrote:
EG/Sadboys getting rekt by RoxKis. Guess they can only look good stomping tier 5 NA/SA teams.

Roxkis has been really good lately, at least I was impressed by their play.


Yeah RoxKis looking sharp. But EG couldn't even make it close. Easy 2-0.
It was in some new Netolic Proleague. TL tracker is missing a lot of tournaments.
Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
February 26 2014 18:44 GMT
#97488
Did RTZ even play? I'm pretty sure he has school and they had to use a stand-in.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 26 2014 18:57 GMT
#97489
You mean Netolic UnPro League huehuehue
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Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
February 26 2014 19:09 GMT
#97490
On February 27 2014 03:44 Daozzt wrote:
Did RTZ even play? I'm pretty sure he has school and they had to use a stand-in.

Doesn't count if RTZ didn't play. He's like the whole team.
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
hadang
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany941 Posts
February 26 2014 19:21 GMT
#97491
So i have 62 open reports. Time to report people !
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 26 2014 19:35 GMT
#97492
I feel like valve could just lie to people about "taking action against one or more people you reported recently" and everybody would be happy lol. Cuz I get that notfication a lot more than should be "sustainable" considering how rarely I play with actually muted people.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 27 2014 00:14 GMT
#97493
when are the fan team logos gonna get updated
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
February 27 2014 00:23 GMT
#97494
On February 27 2014 09:14 FinestHour wrote:
when are the fan team logos gonna get updated

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=275302&currentpage=569#11363

Patience
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 27 2014 00:28 GMT
#97495
oh wow rofl i dont read that thread at all but it only goes to show great minds think alike
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
February 27 2014 01:54 GMT
#97496
On February 27 2014 09:23 TheEmulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:14 FinestHour wrote:
when are the fan team logos gonna get updated

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=275302&currentpage=569#11363

Patience

I'm not trying to be offensive or nothing like that but WHY THIS IS TAKING SO FUCKING LONG? People are asking for more teamlogos for like a year :~
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44294 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-27 04:16:37
February 27 2014 04:13 GMT
#97497
Man VP is playing like a god nowadays.

I still think Na'vi is currently the strongest team in the west right now but i think VP is next to them if alliance is not next to Na'vi as the strongest.

I mean just look at VP's performance nowadays. They are pretty strong. Especially whenever they draft AA.

Man i would love to see VP go against alliance. Since i think they are the only team in the west that have not faced the current VP right now.


Also can't wait for to see them go against DK.
this is a quote
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
February 27 2014 04:23 GMT
#97498
On February 27 2014 10:54 pedrlz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 09:23 TheEmulator wrote:
On February 27 2014 09:14 FinestHour wrote:
when are the fan team logos gonna get updated

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=275302&currentpage=569#11363

Patience

I'm not trying to be offensive or nothing like that but WHY THIS IS TAKING SO FUCKING LONG? People are asking for more teamlogos for like a year :~

I'm not the one making them, nor am I even involved in the process of getting them done. So I have no idea.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 27 2014 06:24 GMT
#97499
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ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 27 2014 06:25 GMT
#97500
On February 27 2014 03:44 wuhan_clan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 03:40 Gevna wrote:
On February 27 2014 03:37 wuhan_clan wrote:
EG/Sadboys getting rekt by RoxKis. Guess they can only look good stomping tier 5 NA/SA teams.

Roxkis has been really good lately, at least I was impressed by their play.


Yeah RoxKis looking sharp. But EG couldn't even make it close. Easy 2-0.
It was in some new Netolic Proleague. TL tracker is missing a lot of tournaments.

http://www.teamliquid.net/calendar/manage?action=submit
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