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Eriksen
Profile Joined December 2012
Micronesia720 Posts
February 26 2014 02:20 GMT
#97441
On February 26 2014 11:16 LeLoup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:45 Comeh wrote:
My playlist is completely based off of RTZ's playlist.

This is an ear splitting nightmare to anyone with actual musical taste.


FTFY


Wait, how?
Whether it has ended with a happy ending or sad, I never was an important thing to you.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
February 26 2014 02:25 GMT
#97442
how is rtz's playlist an earsplitting nightmare
let me count the ways...

my housemate made me listen to some sadboys because i didnt know what it was. I was pretty upset with him for making me sit through the whole music video
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Eriksen
Profile Joined December 2012
Micronesia720 Posts
February 26 2014 02:36 GMT
#97443
Lol yay just saw my lounge profile and I got 2 rewards: Genuine Mistbreaker + Genuine Description Tag.
So happy (maybe), because my offerings weren't so good, only a full page of mixed common-uncommon + Wardfish recipe.
Whether it has ended with a happy ending or sad, I never was an important thing to you.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-26 02:42:45
February 26 2014 02:37 GMT
#97444
On February 26 2014 11:16 LeLoup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:45 Comeh wrote:
My playlist is completely based off of RTZ's playlist.

This is an ear splitting nightmare to anyone with actual musical taste.


FTFY


Give it a fair chance, it's not that bad I swear guys.
+ Show Spoiler +
I'madomei'madomeeeeeeIsaidfuckdashineIsaidfucktheshinesadboyssadboysIGRINDIGRINDIGRINDSADBOYSONMYCHESTS A D B O Y S S A D B OYS IIIiiiiiiIIIIIIIiiiibitchigrindbitchigrindbitchigrindimadome
iv~nk~j
Profile Joined August 2012
1140 Posts
February 26 2014 02:56 GMT
#97445
On February 26 2014 11:25 PassiveAce wrote:
how is rtz's playlist an earsplitting nightmare
let me count the ways...

my housemate made me listen to some sadboys because i didnt know what it was. I was pretty upset with him for making me sit through the whole music video

by "sadboys" i assume you mean yung lean?

either way if you can't appreciate lean's music the problem is in you

i've been listening to his latest song, motorola, multiple times a day since it was released feb 19
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-26 03:12:35
February 26 2014 03:08 GMT
#97446
On February 26 2014 03:56 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 03:21 njt7 wrote:
On February 26 2014 03:13 Zarathusta wrote:
The midding/ganking discussion was pretty enlightening to me. As a ~400 game new player, I don't often mid, but I find that when I do there is a lot of pressure on me to gank the sidelanes, especially if they are losing that lane (feeding). When I do attempt a gank, sometimes they hug the tower, sometimes they countergank, sometimes I screw up and get killed bad, sometimes I trade 1 for 1, and sometimes it is successful.

Overall, I would say if I try to improve my judgement on when to leave lane to gank, and execute successfully when I do, I would be a much more effective mid player. I will feel less pressured now to gank everytime my team calls for it.


One of the easiest way to give your team an advantage from the mid lane is to get the tower down, this is easiest done with dk, dp, rhasta. Id say this is one of the safest way to play mid. Just farm until your opponent tries to gank then you kill the tower. Now you basicly have 3 choices, try to get another tower down (buy a teamfight item), try to kill heroes (buy a positining item blink or shadowblade or something) or farm for something bigger.

Sure some games your teammates will flame you for not winning their lanes for them now we have three choices mute them, ignore them or try to "reason" with them. I think we all know whats more sensible.

It's even simpler than that. One of the easiest ways to give your team an advantage from mid is to *win mid*. It seems simple but a lot of pub players in mid don't know how to totally suppress the opponent mid, even in a situation where they're winning and give the enemy mid more space in the lane/game than they should. If you crush your lane mid, it reduces the pressure on your sidelanes because the gank threat from the opposing mid is weaker due to his lack of items/levels, and because the opposing mid cannot secure vision of you as easily if you have control of the lane, the enemy sidelanes still have to play around your gank threat.

Often in pub mid lanes, players don't establish firm control of the lane before trying to gank. Because of this, one of three things often happens when they gank which destroys any advantage they had:
1) They get counterganked, killed, and are now behind in the lane they were ahead in, as well as potentially putting the lane they ganked for behind
2) They succeed in ganking, but the gold/XP they got from the gank doesn't outweigh the gold/XP the enemy mid got from their free-farm time mid. They put a sidelane ahead at the cost of no longer being ahead mid.
3) Their gank fails, and they let the mid the were ahead against get free-farm time. They didn't put a lane ahead, and are now behind in a lane they were winning.

If we're talking about low mmr games where you're far more skilled than everyone else:
1 shouldn't happen and the issues in 2/3 shouldn't be significant since the enemy mid can't farm/use farm efficiently to be a problem.

If we're talking about average mmr games where you're more but not far more skilled:
1 shouldn't happen and you get a midas so 2/3 don't matter.

If we're talking about near equal mmr games:
Everything is situational.

If you're trying to win the game by yourself as the mid player, more often than not, the problem isn't deciding whether to gank or continue farming, but it's how you take advantage of it. If you successfully gank a lane, instead of going back mid to farm, you can just push down the tower. In relatively low mmr games the enemy either won't defend and lose the tower, or won't defend well enough and feed + lose the tower. Usually, if they want to save the tower, they'll need help from their mid player and that would force them off of free farming which fixes a potential issue.

If you choose to farm instead of ganking, then either the enemy mid player continues to contest you and feed or he/she will try to gank other lanes to catch up. If he/she tries to gank other lanes to catch up then you should pressure mid, attempt to take the tower, and/or get a midas.
njt7
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden769 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-26 04:37:26
February 26 2014 04:34 GMT
#97447
On February 26 2014 03:56 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 03:21 njt7 wrote:
On February 26 2014 03:13 Zarathusta wrote:
The midding/ganking discussion was pretty enlightening to me. As a ~400 game new player, I don't often mid, but I find that when I do there is a lot of pressure on me to gank the sidelanes, especially if they are losing that lane (feeding). When I do attempt a gank, sometimes they hug the tower, sometimes they countergank, sometimes I screw up and get killed bad, sometimes I trade 1 for 1, and sometimes it is successful.

Overall, I would say if I try to improve my judgement on when to leave lane to gank, and execute successfully when I do, I would be a much more effective mid player. I will feel less pressured now to gank everytime my team calls for it.


One of the easiest way to give your team an advantage from the mid lane is to get the tower down, this is easiest done with dk, dp, rhasta. Id say this is one of the safest way to play mid. Just farm until your opponent tries to gank then you kill the tower. Now you basicly have 3 choices, try to get another tower down (buy a teamfight item), try to kill heroes (buy a positining item blink or shadowblade or something) or farm for something bigger.

Sure some games your teammates will flame you for not winning their lanes for them now we have three choices mute them, ignore them or try to "reason" with them. I think we all know whats more sensible.

It's even simpler than that. One of the easiest ways to give your team an advantage from mid is to *win mid*. It seems simple but a lot of pub players in mid don't know how to totally suppress the opponent mid, even in a situation where they're winning and give the enemy mid more space in the lane/game than they should. If you crush your lane mid, it reduces the pressure on your sidelanes because the gank threat from the opposing mid is weaker due to his lack of items/levels, and because the opposing mid cannot secure vision of you as easily if you have control of the lane, the enemy sidelanes still have to play around your gank threat.

Often in pub mid lanes, players don't establish firm control of the lane before trying to gank. Because of this, one of three things often happens when they gank which destroys any advantage they had:
1) They get counterganked, killed, and are now behind in the lane they were ahead in, as well as potentially putting the lane they ganked for behind
2) They succeed in ganking, but the gold/XP they got from the gank doesn't outweigh the gold/XP the enemy mid got from their free-farm time mid. They put a sidelane ahead at the cost of no longer being ahead mid.
3) Their gank fails, and they let the mid the were ahead against get free-farm time. They didn't put a lane ahead, and are now behind in a lane they were winning.


Everything you say is true but I cant agree its the advice to give to a guy who dont often go mid. What you are suggesting is pretty complex and it requires you to know the hero matchup well as well as having the skills and guts to totally suppress your opponent. Totally suppressing your opponent in mid actually isnt that easy unless you have good map awareness and or good warding a favorable hero matchup and or outskilling your opponent. If you do it actively and you slip in focus once and miss that a hero is off the map for some time it can easily backfire. As true as it is with ganking being high risk, totally suppressing your opponent is also high risk. I really cant disagree with the simplest way to win mid is to "win mid". But how valuable advice is it really?
"All the casters who flamed me ever for anything."
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 26 2014 05:15 GMT
#97448
The point is that learning to play and win the lane is the most fundamental part of learning to play mid in pub games. If you don't often play mid and are trying to learn to play mid and carry pub games, you have to start by learning to play the lane. Everything else comes after that.
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paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 04:01:53
February 26 2014 05:19 GMT
#97449
yep people need to learn how to lane
Hates Fun🤔
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
February 26 2014 05:26 GMT
#97450
remember;

when in doubt, walk up to the other guy and kill him
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
February 26 2014 06:02 GMT
#97451
i got a nyx set.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
February 26 2014 06:46 GMT
#97452
On February 26 2014 14:26 Kupon3ss wrote:
remember;

when in doubt, walk up to the other guy and kill him


Best advice ever =D
wairai
Profile Joined May 2012
Malaysia1000 Posts
February 26 2014 07:03 GMT
#97453
Or when the other guy wanna last hit, hit him to be annoyance.
Yungin' Leanin' with Pourple Drink
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
February 26 2014 07:14 GMT
#97454
On February 26 2014 14:26 Kupon3ss wrote:
remember;

when in doubt, walk up to the other guy and kill him

My mantra for mid lol. SEA/Russian dota style.
Mew Mew Pew Pew
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
February 26 2014 07:44 GMT
#97455
Offered half a page with some rares (am taunt, useless ck head), a few chests, few uncommons.
got rare ck mount, rare morphling head, rare skywrath wings aaaaand mythical bastion announcer. i can live with that : )
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
February 26 2014 08:28 GMT
#97456
So Arteezy just won a game, and then he went to re queue and he's in low priority

Like wat? Did everyone report him?
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SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13085 Posts
February 26 2014 08:59 GMT
#97457
Got geniuine shroomy, genuine tags and 3 chests. Gonna sell the chests on market
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
run.at.me
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia550 Posts
February 26 2014 09:11 GMT
#97458
On February 26 2014 17:28 TheEmulator wrote:
So Arteezy just won a game, and then he went to re queue and he's in low priority

Like wat? Did everyone report him?


he abandoned the game before that, so the lpq was delayed
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
February 26 2014 09:33 GMT
#97459
I got a rare back item for bristle, a couple of names tag, a set of hair for ursa that make him look like a native american and the chtulu face for void. I only offered like 2 lines of commons and chests :D.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
February 26 2014 10:13 GMT
#97460
On February 26 2014 18:33 BlitzerSC wrote:
I got a rare back item for bristle, a couple of names tag, a set of hair for ursa that make him look like a native american and the chtulu face for void. I only offered like 2 lines of commons and chests :D.

original face for void*
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