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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 09:40:39
February 20 2014 09:39 GMT
#97081
On February 20 2014 18:32 BlitzerSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 18:28 Dead9 wrote:
uh you can cast remnant and blink to it during the sof
it's pretty hard to punish sof


It's bugged right now so Remnant won't interrupt SoF.
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=114481

that doesn't really matter
it just means you have to time the blink properly so you're mid-blink when sof ends
more importantly blink doesn't disjoint

edit: sof -> remnant is invincible if you time it properly. basically you do an invisible blink to the remnant, and you need to be mid-blink when the sof ends in order to be untargetable during the entire thing
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
February 20 2014 09:47 GMT
#97082
also if you blink too early you don't blink to your remnant at all and you die so don't do that

also if you use remnant during sof you aren't affected by slows so you can sof -> remnant to escape big slows during teamfights and stuff

also you can use items during sof aka you can dagon5 people while you fly around

also lothars works and adds 150 damage to all hits (including against creeps) but it's kind of mediocre cus the cooldown is so long
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 20 2014 11:08 GMT
#97083
On February 20 2014 18:32 BlitzerSC wrote:
I don't why you would even want to use Searing Chains when there are many creeps.
I can't understand your second sentence btw.

Well, probably just to get the searing chains damage in there.

As for his second sentence, he's saying that the more creeps there are in the SOF, the longer Ember Spirit is bouncing around, during which time he can't be attacked, so his squishyness is less of an issue.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 20 2014 11:10 GMT
#97084
On February 20 2014 18:47 Dead9 wrote:
also you can use items during sof aka you can dagon5 people while you fly around

also lothars works and adds 150 damage to all hits (including against creeps) but it's kind of mediocre cus the cooldown is so long

Does that mean you can start SoF, hit lothars, be doing extra damage to everyone, and come out of the SoF invisible? Because that sounds like a pretty sick move, even though it's probably not amazing or anything.
Autotroph
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom940 Posts
February 20 2014 11:39 GMT
#97085
On February 20 2014 17:03 icystorage wrote:
d2cl's final milestone is to let the audience (ticket buyers) choose the LAN finals location which are:

Ukraine Kiev
Russia Moscow
Sweden Stockholm
Germany Cologne
France Paris
Spain Valencia

assuming Kiev is chosen, will players/teams still go there given the current situation of Kiev? O.o


UK/London still esports third world T_______________T
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
February 20 2014 11:46 GMT
#97086
On February 20 2014 20:10 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 18:47 Dead9 wrote:
also you can use items during sof aka you can dagon5 people while you fly around

also lothars works and adds 150 damage to all hits (including against creeps) but it's kind of mediocre cus the cooldown is so long

Does that mean you can start SoF, hit lothars, be doing extra damage to everyone, and come out of the SoF invisible? Because that sounds like a pretty sick move, even though it's probably not amazing or anything.

yes
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
February 20 2014 11:56 GMT
#97087
On February 20 2014 20:39 Autotroph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 17:03 icystorage wrote:
d2cl's final milestone is to let the audience (ticket buyers) choose the LAN finals location which are:

Ukraine Kiev
Russia Moscow
Sweden Stockholm
Germany Cologne
France Paris
Spain Valencia

assuming Kiev is chosen, will players/teams still go there given the current situation of Kiev? O.o


UK/London still esports third world T_______________T

Yep
Insomnia lans the best we can do...
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BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
February 20 2014 11:56 GMT
#97088
On February 20 2014 20:10 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 18:47 Dead9 wrote:
also you can use items during sof aka you can dagon5 people while you fly around

also lothars works and adds 150 damage to all hits (including against creeps) but it's kind of mediocre cus the cooldown is so long

Does that mean you can start SoF, hit lothars, be doing extra damage to everyone, and come out of the SoF invisible? Because that sounds like a pretty sick move, even though it's probably not amazing or anything.


Throw in a Radi you will get some oppo supports rage so hard at you.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
February 20 2014 15:05 GMT
#97089
On February 20 2014 18:33 Jaeger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 10:09 hariooo wrote:
On February 20 2014 06:38 Jaeger wrote:
On February 19 2014 20:02 govie wrote:
On February 19 2014 19:46 BlitzerSC wrote:
On February 19 2014 19:30 idonthinksobro wrote:
On February 19 2014 18:31 Esoterikk wrote:
On February 19 2014 17:39 BlitzerSC wrote:
On February 19 2014 09:57 idonthinksobro wrote:
as if anyone will pick this hero in pro dota. He needs way too much farm to be of any use


Boots of speed + TP scroll.

SO MUCH FARM.


I get the distinct feeling people don't realize that bola's do damage, I see people completely skipping them and it boggles me.


Ember spirit is really weak to any sort of disable or debuff, be it stun, slow or silence. Drums into bf or drums into desolator is extremly greedy and can be punished. If you compare him to a luna which is a "fair" comparison he needs like twice the farm to be as strong as luna without the burst potential of a luna eclipse.


Luna is really weak to any sort of disable or debuff, be it stun, slow or silence. Helm of Dominator into Yasha or Yasha into Helm of Dominator, is extremly greedy and can be punished. If you compare her to a Ember Spirit, which is a "fair comparison", she needs like twice the farm to be as strong as Ember Spirit without the burst potential of Searing Chains + Sleight of Fist.

Nice theorycraft btw.


I think you guys forget his big assets, ult and SoF. If someone has some level of gamesence its hard to kill an ember,


Although in some situations SoF makes killing ember easier given that it returns to a fixed point you may find an arrow or a black hole waiting on you in some situations.


Ember Spirit has a cast point of 0. Played properly by shift-queuing remnants after SoF, it is not a foregone conclusion that SoF will be punished, at least by skills that require such as Sacred Arrow.



If you only hit 1-3 targets he completes an animation before executing anything shift-queued.

If you hit more targets he doesn't do the animation but if your remnant is behind you he turns before jumping.
I can land pudge hooks between SoF and the shift-queue jump pretty easily.
(FWIW it also seems pudge hook can hit him during SoF and does nothing, basically wasting the hook)

If you issue a move command towards your remnant behind you during SoF he'll come back facing the remnant and be able to jump instantly but you can't shift queue that jump because he'll finish the move command before doing the jump.

Basically looks like right clicking towards your remnant during SoF and jumping to the remnant without queuing is the fastest and pretty sure the timing of that is not going to be instant.


Hook is one of the least dangerous skills for Ember to worry about. I have literally never been solo killed by a Pudge as Ember. Pudge has zero way of guaranteeing the Dismember post-Hook. Like I said, 0 cast-time on Remnant. You don't have to time it, just spam it.
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
February 20 2014 15:06 GMT
#97090
Just got a confirmation on hao, mu, zsmj, kingj and xiao8 forming a new team. Can't reveal source but should be annouced soontm
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 15:38:53
February 20 2014 15:22 GMT
#97091
[image loading]

actually kingj instead of banana seems likely, not sure where this screenshot is from i just stole it
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
February 20 2014 15:24 GMT
#97092
So, people-who-know-about-the-chinese, who's the best here? DK?
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
February 20 2014 15:34 GMT
#97093
On February 21 2014 00:22 teddyoojo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


actually kingj instead of zsmj seems likely, not sure where this screenshot is from i just stole it

banana is staying with ig
FTD
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 15:55:54
February 20 2014 15:38 GMT
#97094
meant to say banana instead of zsmj.............. :D
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
February 20 2014 16:53 GMT
#97095
X player has left the game, game is safe to leave, and wont affect matchmaking ratig.
Still takes 25 points off. Why?
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
February 20 2014 17:03 GMT
#97096
On February 21 2014 01:53 Slomo wrote:
X player has left the game, game is safe to leave, and wont affect matchmaking ratig.
Still takes 25 points off. Why?


Still counts after firstblood i believe
High Risk Low Reward
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
February 20 2014 17:11 GMT
#97097
Woa woa woa, how come doom doesn't dispel sprint ?
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
February 20 2014 17:12 GMT
#97098
On February 21 2014 02:11 BlitzerSC wrote:
Woa woa woa, how come doom doesn't dispel sprint ?

Sprint is an active, why should it dispel it?
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
February 20 2014 17:20 GMT
#97099
Doom doesn't purge buffs
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
February 20 2014 17:27 GMT
#97100
It dispels all positive buffs before applying the debuff.
http://www.playdota.com/heroes/doom-bringer

It dispels Juggernaut's bladefury but not Slardar's sprint or windrun. Doesn't make sense.
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