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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 20 2014 04:04 GMT
#97061
oh did all this luna vs ember spirit shit start cuz of that liquid vs navi game
LMAO
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Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
February 20 2014 04:19 GMT
#97062
On February 20 2014 13:03 trinxified wrote:
I guess offering the not tradable items would be a good idea? But you just get parcels back, which are useless after the event right?


It won't take non-tradeable items
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
February 20 2014 04:21 GMT
#97063
On February 20 2014 13:19 LeLoup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 13:03 trinxified wrote:
I guess offering the not tradable items would be a good idea? But you just get parcels back, which are useless after the event right?


It won't take non-tradeable items


You're able to offer it it looks like...
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
February 20 2014 04:23 GMT
#97064
"This item is cursed with untradability. Even the Shades of Fortune are not strong enough to release it from your grasp."

Quoted verbatim.
LiquidDota Staff"LeLoup is a great name pls undo." -Liquid`Nazgul
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
February 20 2014 04:34 GMT
#97065
TY lol.

Last time, I offered all my chests and scrolls. All I got back are crimson parcels.

I did the same for this upcoming offering. Getting crimson parcels would be useless now wouldn't they?
Xypski
Profile Joined December 2009
Denmark156 Posts
February 20 2014 06:46 GMT
#97066
On February 20 2014 06:10 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 05:29 Xypski wrote:
On February 20 2014 03:43 cecek wrote:
Ember's bad. You have to build glass cannon to do any relevant damage in teamfights, because flameguard gets popped soon and bolas don't do enough damage and are unreliable. But then you have no survival and die to a single stun/silence. Basically if Ember builds early bkb he's ignored, if he goes bfury/mael/deso he dies.


You're right on the early BKB but wrong on everything else.

Could you explain why? Your post has exactly zero value as it is now.


The only difference between our posts is that you use more words. I've seen good players play Ember, they never rush BKB, they have survivability issues especially towards heavy silence/stun lineups (the stun-part of that will disappear somewhat when they fix the disjoint bug) BUT if this wasn't the case, Ember would be pubstomper nr1 ie., it's his weak point. That and his lvl 1-3 stage.
Horza
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
February 20 2014 07:46 GMT
#97067
You say he's wrong then you say exactly what he originally said ^_^
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
February 20 2014 08:03 GMT
#97068
d2cl's final milestone is to let the audience (ticket buyers) choose the LAN finals location which are:

Ukraine Kiev
Russia Moscow
Sweden Stockholm
Germany Cologne
France Paris
Spain Valencia

assuming Kiev is chosen, will players/teams still go there given the current situation of Kiev? O.o
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
February 20 2014 08:22 GMT
#97069
Moscow / Stockholm sound sweet
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
February 20 2014 08:29 GMT
#97070
If anyone is thinking of going to watch it live and want a particular location voted, PM me.

I bought the ticket but have no chance of catching it live in any of those places lol.
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
February 20 2014 08:46 GMT
#97071
I hope it'll be in Stockholm.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
February 20 2014 08:51 GMT
#97072
On February 20 2014 10:39 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 10:29 Comeh wrote:
On February 20 2014 10:23 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On February 20 2014 10:01 Comeh wrote:
No idea why you guys are comparing Luna and Ember as if they are similar.


Well, they are both heavy farm heroes with AoE physical damage that scale well with items into the mid to late game and vacuum up the farm on your side of the map when played to the fullest.

Luna is a solid trilaner. Luna is considered a hero well put for push lineups due to her aura. Luna has a teamfight spell that procs like jugg's ult, but isn't comparable to any spell that Ember has. Luna is a BKB carrier, a hero that can get manta and split push, and is all about good positioning and staying away from danger in teamfights.

Ember has like none of those traits, and those are all of the important ones that luna has.


Uh, Sleight of Fist is heavily reliant on low creep density to be effective (just like Eclipse). He also has amazing split push once he gets BoTs (just as Luna gets good split push with Manta) and requires expert positioning to not get silenced the second he pops out of SoF.

They're obviously not interchangeable, because Icefrog isn't total shit at designing heroes, but I would say they occupy more similar roles than, say, Mirana and Luna. I don't think he's "better" or "worse," though, just comparable. I do fear for the massive Ember Spirit feeders in AP, though.


?

The more units you hit with your Sleight of Fist the more damage is gonna do.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
February 20 2014 08:57 GMT
#97073
Bfury ember spirit is bad and you should feel bad for playing it

I still like getting like, phase boots drums and just building a desolator
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 20 2014 09:13 GMT
#97074
On February 20 2014 10:39 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Uh, Sleight of Fist is heavily reliant on low creep density to be effective (just like Eclipse).

I think you have misunderstood the mechanics of Slight of Fist. It's not like Juggernauts omnislash or Eclipse in that it hits a set amount of random targets and thus needs few enemies in the target area. Instead, it will hit all targets in the area once. Thus, there's no problem with using it on tons of creeps, you will hit everything anyway (the targets are decided on cast, doesn't matter if you hit 10 creeps before you hit the enemy hero, you will hit the hero even if they move out of range). In fact, with cleave (such as battlefury), more creeps = more cleave, so it's in fact better with high creep density.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 09:17:11
February 20 2014 09:16 GMT
#97075
On February 20 2014 17:51 BlitzerSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 10:39 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On February 20 2014 10:29 Comeh wrote:
On February 20 2014 10:23 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On February 20 2014 10:01 Comeh wrote:
No idea why you guys are comparing Luna and Ember as if they are similar.


Well, they are both heavy farm heroes with AoE physical damage that scale well with items into the mid to late game and vacuum up the farm on your side of the map when played to the fullest.

Luna is a solid trilaner. Luna is considered a hero well put for push lineups due to her aura. Luna has a teamfight spell that procs like jugg's ult, but isn't comparable to any spell that Ember has. Luna is a BKB carrier, a hero that can get manta and split push, and is all about good positioning and staying away from danger in teamfights.

Ember has like none of those traits, and those are all of the important ones that luna has.


Uh, Sleight of Fist is heavily reliant on low creep density to be effective (just like Eclipse). He also has amazing split push once he gets BoTs (just as Luna gets good split push with Manta) and requires expert positioning to not get silenced the second he pops out of SoF.

They're obviously not interchangeable, because Icefrog isn't total shit at designing heroes, but I would say they occupy more similar roles than, say, Mirana and Luna. I don't think he's "better" or "worse," though, just comparable. I do fear for the massive Ember Spirit feeders in AP, though.


?

The more units you hit with your Sleight of Fist the more damage is gonna do.


It's harder to hit Bolas on the specific units you want, so in that way it's less effective. The more time you're bouncing around between units, though, the less time your not-having-hp-or-armor is a problem.
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ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
February 20 2014 09:26 GMT
#97076
Man all this Ember talk..
Let's not forget that all you have to do is walk up to his cast point and have a silence ready and all of a sudden he is dead.
In fact in some aspects having more units in the SoF range works against him in that sense.
(But also in regards to damage don't forget that SoF also comes with extra damage to heroes).
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
February 20 2014 09:28 GMT
#97077
uh you can cast remnant and blink to it during the sof
it's pretty hard to punish sof
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 09:39:21
February 20 2014 09:32 GMT
#97078
On February 20 2014 18:28 Dead9 wrote:
uh you can cast remnant and blink to it during the sof
it's pretty hard to punish sof


Nope, it's bugged right now.
Remnant won't interrupt SoF.
http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=114481

On February 20 2014 18:16 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 17:51 BlitzerSC wrote:
On February 20 2014 10:39 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On February 20 2014 10:29 Comeh wrote:
On February 20 2014 10:23 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On February 20 2014 10:01 Comeh wrote:
No idea why you guys are comparing Luna and Ember as if they are similar.


Well, they are both heavy farm heroes with AoE physical damage that scale well with items into the mid to late game and vacuum up the farm on your side of the map when played to the fullest.

Luna is a solid trilaner. Luna is considered a hero well put for push lineups due to her aura. Luna has a teamfight spell that procs like jugg's ult, but isn't comparable to any spell that Ember has. Luna is a BKB carrier, a hero that can get manta and split push, and is all about good positioning and staying away from danger in teamfights.

Ember has like none of those traits, and those are all of the important ones that luna has.


Uh, Sleight of Fist is heavily reliant on low creep density to be effective (just like Eclipse). He also has amazing split push once he gets BoTs (just as Luna gets good split push with Manta) and requires expert positioning to not get silenced the second he pops out of SoF.

They're obviously not interchangeable, because Icefrog isn't total shit at designing heroes, but I would say they occupy more similar roles than, say, Mirana and Luna. I don't think he's "better" or "worse," though, just comparable. I do fear for the massive Ember Spirit feeders in AP, though.


?

The more units you hit with your Sleight of Fist the more damage is gonna do.


It's harder to hit Bolas on the specific units you want, so in that way it's less effective. The more time you're bouncing around between units, though, the less time your not-having-hp-or-armor is a problem.


I don't why you would even want to use Searing Chains when there are many creeps.
I can't understand your second sentence btw.
Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
February 20 2014 09:33 GMT
#97079
On February 20 2014 10:09 hariooo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2014 06:38 Jaeger wrote:
On February 19 2014 20:02 govie wrote:
On February 19 2014 19:46 BlitzerSC wrote:
On February 19 2014 19:30 idonthinksobro wrote:
On February 19 2014 18:31 Esoterikk wrote:
On February 19 2014 17:39 BlitzerSC wrote:
On February 19 2014 09:57 idonthinksobro wrote:
as if anyone will pick this hero in pro dota. He needs way too much farm to be of any use


Boots of speed + TP scroll.

SO MUCH FARM.


I get the distinct feeling people don't realize that bola's do damage, I see people completely skipping them and it boggles me.


Ember spirit is really weak to any sort of disable or debuff, be it stun, slow or silence. Drums into bf or drums into desolator is extremly greedy and can be punished. If you compare him to a luna which is a "fair" comparison he needs like twice the farm to be as strong as luna without the burst potential of a luna eclipse.


Luna is really weak to any sort of disable or debuff, be it stun, slow or silence. Helm of Dominator into Yasha or Yasha into Helm of Dominator, is extremly greedy and can be punished. If you compare her to a Ember Spirit, which is a "fair comparison", she needs like twice the farm to be as strong as Ember Spirit without the burst potential of Searing Chains + Sleight of Fist.

Nice theorycraft btw.


I think you guys forget his big assets, ult and SoF. If someone has some level of gamesence its hard to kill an ember,


Although in some situations SoF makes killing ember easier given that it returns to a fixed point you may find an arrow or a black hole waiting on you in some situations.


Ember Spirit has a cast point of 0. Played properly by shift-queuing remnants after SoF, it is not a foregone conclusion that SoF will be punished, at least by skills that require such as Sacred Arrow.



If you only hit 1-3 targets he completes an animation before executing anything shift-queued.

If you hit more targets he doesn't do the animation but if your remnant is behind you he turns before jumping.
I can land pudge hooks between SoF and the shift-queue jump pretty easily.
(FWIW it also seems pudge hook can hit him during SoF and does nothing, basically wasting the hook)

If you issue a move command towards your remnant behind you during SoF he'll come back facing the remnant and be able to jump instantly but you can't shift queue that jump because he'll finish the move command before doing the jump.

Basically looks like right clicking towards your remnant during SoF and jumping to the remnant without queuing is the fastest and pretty sure the timing of that is not going to be instant.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-20 09:36:39
February 20 2014 09:35 GMT
#97080
On February 20 2014 17:03 icystorage wrote:
d2cl's final milestone is to let the audience (ticket buyers) choose the LAN finals location which are:

Ukraine Kiev
Russia Moscow
Sweden Stockholm
Germany Cologne
France Paris
Spain Valencia

assuming Kiev is chosen, will players/teams still go there given the current situation of Kiev? O.o
lol, this vote is so rigged.

It's a tournament run by Na'Vi, of course it will be in Ukraine. The only other possibility is Russia, because all other countries in that list only have a tiny fraction of the playerbase.
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